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DavidSSS

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Can't say I respect Dangerfield. It is the diving, which is actually worse because he has enough talent not to stoop to such levels. We all know players milk free kicks but did you see the way Danger played it up in the PF - he was proud of having fooled the umpire with his diving, and even prouder to get the 50m (I'll add he didn't milk that one, it was totally the maggot's doing, called a free kick, did not state, nor signal, who it was for, and then paid 50 when Cotch threw the ball to Houli).

Disrespect comes from the way they act, you dive and are proud of it you get disrespect. You want to see disrespect, just look at the way Lynch reacted to him in that Gold Coast v Adelaide game years ago, there is clearly some disrespect on the field.

Plenty of opposition players I respect, Danger ain't one of them.

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lukeanddad

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Can't say I respect Dangerfield. It is the diving, which is actually worse because he has enough talent not to stoop to such levels. We all know players milk free kicks but did you see the way Danger played it up in the PF - he was proud of having fooled the umpire with his diving, and even prouder to get the 50m (I'll add he didn't milk that one, it was totally the maggot's doing, called a free kick, did not state, nor signal, who it was for, and then paid 50 when Cotch threw the ball to Houli).

Disrespect comes from the way they act, you dive and are proud of it you get disrespect. You want to see disrespect, just look at the way Lynch reacted to him in that Gold Coast v Adelaide game years ago, there is clearly some disrespect on the field.

Plenty of opposition players I respect, Danger ain't one of them.

DS
If you’re being consistent, you’d name 3 of our best players as having been in trouble for diving in recent times. Can’t have it both ways.
 
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AngryAnt

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I think that's a classic example of how dislike of a player becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

That free kick has been discussed more than any other but when you actually look at the incident it was a 50-50 call at worst and in that contest Houli actually stages more than Dangerfield does. (Hence he assumes he has the free). Add to that the fact that is was a free that players try to draw all the time, no one more than Jack Riewoldt and in the staging Olympics it wouldn't have even qualified for the final and all your are left with is it being Dangerfield.

I'd wager that if it was another Geelong player the incident would have got a passing mention and be forgotten.

I'd agree with all of that. It was compounded by the 50 which was just gross incompetence from Razor Ray.

I disrespect Dangerfield, mainly because of attitude, which may not be fair as I've never met him. But he comes across as selfish, grandstanding on the interchange with injury severity, mouthing off but not backing it up. He's a gun player, but his disposal and goal shooting is poor. The banter between him and Jenkins about premierships before the 17 GF. All this is perception, fair or not who knows.

I loved the prelim - he staged, got the 50, mouthed off at halftime then disappeared without trace. And was crunched by Lynch when Prestia kicked the sealer. Lynch really hates the guy for some reason.

I've never met Lynch but when it comes to Dangerfield I reckon he's a good judge of character.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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That free kick has been discussed more than any other but when you actually look at the incident it was a 50-50 call at worst and in that contest Houli actually stages more than Dangerfield does.

Houli got a light push just prior to the contest and ran under the ball. He may well have claimed the free to waste time, but I don't think he staged. There was some contact to Dangerfield and he exaggerated it to the max, with a dead horse flop worthy of Lloyd at his best. Only he knows whether it contributed in some way to his disappearance after the break. Maybe he got a bake from the coach, who knows.
 

tigerman

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Can't say I respect Dangerfield. It is the diving, which is actually worse because he has enough talent not to stoop to such levels. We all know players milk free kicks but did you see the way Danger played it up in the PF - he was proud of having fooled the umpire with his diving, and even prouder to get the 50m (I'll add he didn't milk that one, it was totally the maggot's doing, called a free kick, did not state, nor signal, who it was for, and then paid 50 when Cotch threw the ball to Houli).

Disrespect comes from the way they act, you dive and are proud of it you get disrespect. You want to see disrespect, just look at the way Lynch reacted to him in that Gold Coast v Adelaide game years ago, there is clearly some disrespect on the field.

Plenty of opposition players I respect, Danger ain't one of them.

DS
Agree

Diverfield is a serial offender, have a look at about the 2.50 minute mark after the Chimp kicked that amazing goal, Autumn leaves went to ground way to easy.

 

AngryAnt

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No it wasn't, our player threw the ball to the wrong person. Every time a player gives a free away and has the ball in their hand they run a one man pantomime. Big point at the opponent, then a look to the umpire, is it him? Then repeat once or twice more. All designed to waste as much time as possible before giving the footy back.
They can't have it both ways, if they carry on like that they deserve to cop it when they stuff it up.

The umpire hadn't signalled who the free kick was for had he? Bash staged but genuinely thought the free was his.
 

AngryAnt

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Not sure but it doesn't matter. If the whistle goes and the ball is in your hands, you know that you have to get it to the right person. If you throw it without checking then you're asking for trouble.

Fair enough. At the time it seemed pretty harsh but I'm probably biased.

In hindsight it makes Dangerfield's fade-out and our victory even sweeter so I'm glad it happened
 
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Baloo

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Not sure but it doesn't matter. If the whistle goes and the ball is in your hands, you know that you have to get it to the right person. If you throw it without checking then you're asking for trouble.

This argument again. Watch the reply. Rayzor blows the whistle, calls free kick but doesn't say who the freekick is for. It;s incumbant on the umpire to clear signal a free kick. Cotch thought it was his, put his hands up for the ball, Houli threw it to him. Bang 50 for the man who could have won the Birdman Rally with his arms flapping dive.

I know you like to have a dig at us at every opportunity and feel it's your duty to correct us mere mortals, but the simple fact is Rayzor *smile* up. Had he done his job and called who the free was for, I doubt Houli would have chucked it to Cotch, nor would have Cotch asked for it.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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Watch Houli again closely, the arms are going like a tyre shop mascot. It's at least as big a stage as Dangerfield.

Maybe there's contact with Dangerfield that unbalances him, maybe he turns in mid-air because he knows he's under the ball. Didn't look like there was a free in it to Houli to me, and didn't look like he was staging for one. Just a guy who had to go and didn't have much confidence in his contested aerial ability. Anyway, moot point.
 

AngryAnt

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That got weirdly personal pretty quickly, but ok.


It is there at around the 10 minute mark. He blows the whistle, calls a push and heads to set the mark. He doesn't give the direction of the free which is an error, but if you don't think the onus is on Cotchin to get the ball back to the right person once he hears that whistle then I'm not sure which game you've been watching. He lost concentration and made a basic error, it's a simple as that.

Not signalling the direction of the free kick and then paying a fifty is unforgivable.
 
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Baloo

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Both players thought they had the free. Rayzor screwed up by not calling it. It's Rayzor's mistake that led to what happened. Quite simple.

Trying to blame Houli for the error when he tossed the ball back to his Captain who asked for it when Chimp thought it was his free is just looking to blame our own players for the sake of it.

The umpires *smile* this up. Pretty clear to everyone, well, most people.
 
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AngryAnt

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I'm quite surprised you guys are arguing that sorry I didn't realise is an acceptable excuse for a player not to concede a 50.

If the umpire had signalled to Geelong and called "Dangerfield" I would agree 100%. He didn't, and that's his job. That's fundamental. For players to make a mistake after an umpire has just failed at his one job is completely understandable.

Now maybe Cotchin should have asked "whose free kick?", but Razor stuffed-up, plain and simple. Indefensible.
 

DavidSSS

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That 50 was absolute bollocks, the umpire did not give any indication at all as to who was being awarded the free kick. The stupid maggot blew the whistle, made no signal and did not state who was getting the free. There is no way that should have been 50 because there is no way Cotchin knew who to toss the ball to, all he knew was that a (mystery) free kick had been awarded to someone on the ground. The fact that the same umpire got to officiate the GF is a disgrace.

We all know players milk frees, Dangerfield not only does this but is clearly proud of it. If that is what you respect then so be it, I don't respect such behaviour.

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AngryAnt

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He definitely should have asked. If he had known it was Dangerfield's free kick he would have asked three times.

I'd agree you have a case if not for the fact that in the down the ground you can clearly see Cotchin is looking at the umpire. Given he hasn't seen a signal (I'm discounting hearing anything because it is impossible) then he should assume he has missed it and check.

The umpire signal is wrong but so is Cotchin and his error is greater.

Houli seems to claim the free while he is on the ground as soon as the whistle goes and not even look at the umpire and then starts demanding the ball which alos doesn't help.

To me it gets back to the fact that the umpire had one basic job, which is almost the most important of all - clearly communicate his decision to players. He failed to do that.
 
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