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U.S Presidential Election

Brodders17

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I came to this thread expecting to see all the Trump fan boys and girls singing his praises for how he is handling Corinavirus in the US.
But nothing, which is surprising because he is using the exact tactics he always uses- blame fake news and the Dems, talk up his intellect, and make up his alternative facts. ( while have the white house correct statements he makes at press conferences).
 

MD Jazz

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You'd think this will be the beginning of the end for Trump. Too much "real news " confirming him completely unsuitable for the role. Surely he can't bluff and bluster his way through this disaster.

Biden doesn't seem a great alternative!
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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You'd think this will be the beginning of the end for Trump. Too much "real news " confirming him completely unsuitable for the role. Surely he can't bluff and bluster his way through this disaster.

Could well be the end for a great many world leaders. You just worry about unstable countries and crazies taking power, with access to weapons...
 

Baloo

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I came to this thread expecting to see all the Trump fan boys and girls singing his praises for how he is handling Corinavirus in the US.
But nothing, which is surprising because he is using the exact tactics he always uses- blame fake news and the Dems, talk up his intellect, and make up his alternative facts. ( while have the white house correct statements he makes at press conferences).

Just need to go back to Tuesday to see this post:

Trump is a tremendous leader with a fantastic team behind him who are doing an unbelievable job.
 

spook

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Bernie's still a chance. Trails Biden 854 delegates to 701 (according to NBC - Bloomberg has it 878-725), which means he needs 1290 of the 2294 remaining delegates to win the nomination outright. If he exposes Dementia Joe in Sunday's debate - which he will given half a fair chance - things could shift again, especially if the old Floridians who vote for Biden stay home because covid-19.

Can you believe I got odds of $65 for Bernie to get the nom on Betfair a couple of days ago. Hillary and Michelle Obama were shorter odds.
 
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Baloo

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I'm amazed the people around him would let him post stuff which was so clearly going to come back and bite him on his horrendous bloated arse

Those that ever tried have been fired. Those around him now want to stay in their jobs
 
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Coburgtiger

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Suggest you start with the gender balance of today's teachers, ask why there is no intiative to "correct" it, and speak to a few male teachers who've left the profession.

For bonus points, maybe contemplate why teachers as a group are so unhappy in their jobs. ;)

As a male teacher who loves the profession, I'm a little unsure as to your point.

I've had two careers in my life, as a microbiologist, and as a teacher in an inner city high school. Both professions have been female dominated. The lab that I worked in was something like 80 percent women, the school that I work at has a similar high proportion of female staff.

The lab manager, and director of the lab were both men. The principal at the school also a man. There's your wage gap.

FWIW I would never leave the teaching job now to go back into science professionally, simply because of both the reward and challenge that teaching offers. It's one of the few jobs in the world in which you can make a recognisable difference to the people you help, and where you actually get out what you put in. It's a job where you learn something new every day, solve a different problem every hour, constantly build and develop relationships, and feel like you're genuinely contributing to something good. Having said that, it's also far more intellectually, emotionally, spiritually and at times even physically demanding than any other job I've ever had.

And that's why people leave it. There are very few jobs which require such a broad range of skills, such a huge personal investment, while simultaneously having such little recognition, poor conditions and many, many hours of unpaid overtime. I, like most teachers, do ten to fifteen hours free labour every week. Which eats into that work life balance pretty significantly.

I'm lucky. I love it enough that the good outweighs the bad. But there are times in the year where that is balancing on a knife's edge. I.e, there is a day next week where we are required to be at the school from 9 a.m. until 7 p.m. During this time we will be expected to meet with upwards of a hundred sets of parents, all while also marking, writing reports, and planning for the next days lessons. By the way, we will be paid for 7.6 hours.

Don't even get me started on the OHS issues now with coronavirus in the mix. As of right now, even under the circumstances, this is going ahead.

So yeah. This is why teachers leave the profession. Not because of some perceived plot against maleness.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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Lee references another article he clearly hasn't read.

Absolutely I read it. Some are being pussy-powered out of the profession - accused of being kiddy-fiddlers (more common than you'd think), given the sh!t jobs around the school, attitudes that preserving teaching as a female bastion is "a good thing, given the struggle women face in the workforce".

"There was increased scrutiny of men in the lives of children, and a lot of criticism, [that] men probably shouldn't have a place in schools because men are dangerous."

This is an ABC article, remember. Read between the lines what's not being spelt out.
 
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Coburgtiger

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I respect your experience, but it's not everyone's experience.

Why male teachers are disappearing from Australian schools

To be fair, that article is about primary school teaching which I have no experience with, so I can't really comment. I understand the pressures outlined in it though. I'm very careful, as a male teacher, never to be alone in a room with a female student, simply because of those sort of concerns. I wouldn't say it's a significant stress of the job though. More just a background awareness.

Those sorts of pressures do make some things a little harder for male teachers. But there are equivalent stresses for female teachers too.

I've had to break up fights between big, testosterone filled 18 year old boys. As a 190 cm, 90 kg male, I generally don't feel too worried for my well-being. I really feel for the younger female teachers in these scenarios.

Similarly, there are a number of sexist male students that inevitably come through, who either objectify or belittle female teachers, through either ignorance or a lack of emotional development.

Again, very different pressures to primary schools. I can totally appreciate the difficulties some male teachers experience there.

I've said for a long time we should have separate industrial agreements, but that's another story.

I still feel that all of these are secondary to the real pressures of being a teacher.
 

AngryAnt

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Absolutely I read it. Some are being pussy-powered out of the profession - accused of being kiddy-fiddlers (more common than you'd think), given ths sh!t jobs around the school, arguments that female domination is "a good thing, given the struggle women face in the workforce".

LOL wut? if you read it it was around parents perceptions of male teachers showing affection to children, and the male teachers themselves feeling uncomfortable. You are projecting.

Nowhere in the article does it say that male teachers are being told their dwindling numbers are a good thing. That's a metalevel discussion going on in the research domains. You knew that, but quoted dishonestly.

So the three reasons men cited for leaving the profession were:

Fear and uncertainty around physical contact - see above
Expectations to take on masculine or gendered roles. Far from being pussied out, the male teachers felt they were expected to perform over male roles - lifting things, running sport etc, and playing the father figure. THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF BEING "PUSSIED OUT"
Social isolation - lack of other male teachers

The other reason that male teachers cited was STRESS vs MONEY

So yeah - not one teacher quoted mentioned that feminazis were forcing them out. You made that up.
 
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