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Bye Bye Jack Higgins!

achillesjones

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Good luck to the kid.

Looked really happy in the clip I saw on Ch 7. Kept showing him as a young St Kilda supporter.
Spoke about his time as a work experience Yr 10 student.
Spoke about missing two GF with the Tigers and hopes he can live out that dream with St Kilda.

Spot on Waiting,

I'm just so relieved he was able to come back to play the game he loves after a life threatening injury. Imagine the extreme courage that takes when he sees Vlossy and Simpkin knocked out in the Grand Final.
Nothing but respect and best wishes to Jack.

As Dimma so often says "It's just a game".
 
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craig

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Reported that Higgins missing two grand finals has spurred him on to do better.

What I don’t understand is why he needed to go to another club to do it.
Probably the idea of getting games.

But he wont get easy games in the way he wouldve at the Drugs or Kangas.

Missing from their side in the Semi they would likely add Crouch, Carlisle, Long and Gresham to their round 1 side Dunstan also..

That lot will make a big difference to them. Higgo will have to work to stay in their side.
 
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zippadeee

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Reading between the lines Higgins doesn't really believe he's good enough to play in a premiership team.

Bingo.
He said something that dosent make sense.
He wants to win a flag, So he leaves a club that has just won 3 in the last 4 years, to go a club that has won 1 flag in 100 years.
He knew he wasn't best 22 at Richmond. He just didnt want to do the hard yards to push himself back into the best 22.
It will be a shock to his system, if he isn't best 22 at Stkilda.
Personally im not fused.
Stkilda arent that good and a 2nd rounder is pretty good and if it falls between 25-30 we should be happy
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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He wants to win a flag, So he leaves a club that has just won 3 in the last 4 years, to go a club that has won 1 flag in 100 years.
He's already had opportunities that other players don't get in a whole career. The saying about looking a gift horse in the mouth comes to mind. This ain't Ottens leaving for Geelong.

I'm sure the club takes a more philosophical view having all the facts at hand, but the fall of every empire begins somewhere and I hope this isn't it.
 
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Bingo.
He said something that dosent make sense.
He wants to win a flag, So he leaves a club that has just won 3 in the last 4 years, to go a club that has won 1 flag in 100 years.
He knew he wasn't best 22 at Richmond. He just didnt want to do the hard yards to push himself back into the best 22.
It will be a shock to his system, if he isn't best 22 at Stkilda.
Personally im not fused.
Stkilda arent that good and a 2nd rounder is pretty good and if it falls between 25-30 we should be happy
122 years and it was by a point !

But in a way I admire the logic. We are all optimistic here that our run hasn't ended, and maybe it hasn't.
But history would say we are very unlikely to win any more in a short space of time.
In a way, looking at it very objectively, Richmond would be the last club right now a player would go premiership-hunting.
I'd be heading for Port or Brisbane.

As for Richmond's attitude to Higgins, when Neil Balme arrived one of the first things he had to deal with was the departure of Deledio, and I remember him saying something like, "if they don't want to be there, there's no point in keeping them. Get what you can and move on".
If Richmond was not fussed about losing Deledio, they ain't gonna be too worried about Higgins.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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In a way, looking at it very objectively, Richmond would be the last club right now a player would go premiership-hunting.
I get what you're saying, but Hawthorn still managed to attract Mitchell, O'Meara & Wingard after the threepeat.

Not sure that Richmond wasn't fussed, more that Hardwick was expecting the call.
 

23.21.159

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I get what you're saying, but Hawthorn still managed to attract Mitchell, O'Meara & Wingard after the threepeat.
And how has that worked out for them?
Just saying that if I was an AFL player looking for the next big thing, I wouldn't be looking at Richmond. Unless maybe I was nearing the end and I thought they had one more left in them.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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And how has that worked out for them?
Just saying that if I was an AFL player looking for the next big thing, I wouldn't be looking at Richmond. Unless maybe I was nearing the end and I thought they had one more left in them.
Just want to make it clear up front that I'm not assuming further success. Exceedingly few are good at predicting the future and I'm not game to say when our fortunes will start to decline, but ours is the 7th-oldest premiership team and it's possible that it could be as soon as next season.

However the Hawks became dependent on recruiting ready-mades from elsewhere and neglected their own production line whereas Richmond currently has the fewest players from other clubs. Prestia/Nank/Caddy helped kickstart the transformation but in four years since, rookie dalliance with Weller aside, we've brought in only Lynch. Players elsewhere couldn't help but notice Richmond's recent record of enabling players from all sorts of backgrounds to be successful.

Frankly I think a majority of players at other clubs would look at Richmond today and question whether they are worthy of being part of the club. And we're in a position to be choosy.
 
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kiwitiger

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I get the thinking ,

But if we forget history , im still willing to bet Richmond wins their next premiership before St kilda,

And i mean the current playing groups
 
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zippadeee

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122 years and it was by a point !

But in a way I admire the logic. We are all optimistic here that our run hasn't ended, and maybe it hasn't.
But history would say we are very unlikely to win any more in a short space of time.
In a way, looking at it very objectively, Richmond would be the last club right now a player would go premiership-hunting.
I'd be heading for Port or Brisbane.

As for Richmond's attitude to Higgins, when Neil Balme arrived one of the first things he had to deal with was the departure of Deledio, and I remember him saying something like, "if they don't want to be there, there's no point in keeping them. Get what you can and move on".
If Richmond was not fussed about losing Deledio, they ain't gonna be too worried about Higgins.
Their entire history is on the back of a behind.
 
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zippadeee

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I get the thinking ,

But if we forget history , im still willing to bet Richmond wins their next premiership before St kilda,

And i mean the current playing groups
What's the odds? $1.03??
Stkilda don't win flags. Losing them, yes.
Perfect example, 97 playing an interest team, up at half time, fall into a hole and disappear for another 13 years. In 2010, this time they hit the lead with 7 minutes to go with all the momentum (playing the number 1 side in losing GF's), what happens they concede a goal 37 seconds after they hit the lead.
Whoever plays stkilda in a GF, already starts with an open advantage, they're a born to fail.
I reckon GC will win one before Stkilda. Stkilda should open every single season at 1000/1 for the flag. Because they are no chance
 
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jb03

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He's already had opportunities that other players don't get in a whole career. The saying about looking a gift horse in the mouth comes to mind. This ain't Ottens leaving for Geelong.

I'm sure the club takes a more philosophical view having all the facts at hand, but the fall of every empire begins somewhere and I hope this isn't it.
What do you mean Lee - that Higgins leaving could be the commencement of our downfall? If we don't win another i suspect it will be the retirements of Reiwoldt and Cotchin, and the inevitable decline in Martin's ability that will be the downfall.


Just want to make it clear up front that I'm not assuming further success. Exceedingly few are good at predicting the future and I'm not game to say when our fortunes will start to decline, but ours is the 7th-oldest premiership team and it's possible that it could be as soon as next season.

However the Hawks became dependent on recruiting ready-mades from elsewhere and neglected their own production line whereas Richmond currently has the fewest players from other clubs. Prestia/Nank/Caddy helped kickstart the transformation but in four years since, rookie dalliance with Weller aside, we've brought in only Lynch. Players elsewhere couldn't help but notice Richmond's recent record of enabling players from all sorts of backgrounds to be successful.

Frankly I think a majority of players at other clubs would look at Richmond today and question whether they are worthy of being part of the club. And we're in a position to be choosy.
I said this earlier - Richmond will struggle to attract anyone from another club as that player will feel like they are late to the party, or in more likelihood have missed the party altogether.


I do like that we have so few players from other clubs.
 
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If we're to stay a powerhouse & remain in the premiership window, next season will tell us plenty with the emergence of young mids in Dow, Collier-Dawkins, Martyn & Ross.
 
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achillesjones

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One half reasonable bounce of the ball and the tiprat would have sealed their second flag.
 
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If we're to stay a powerhouse & remain in the premiership window, next season will tell us plenty with the emergence of young mids in Dow, Collier-Dawkins, Martyn & Ross.

I am not sure our decline will be that abrupt - it’s always hard to know what will happen but I can’t see us doing an Adelaide or GWS - we appear from the outside quite a settled bunch.

For me I think we will be thereabouts for the next 3 or 4 years but whether we make it to the final dance will depend really on injuries, retirements, etc and as you say our younger talent coming through.

Many variables to consider but still exciting times. Admit decisions like Higgins are hard to fathom as it’s very hard to get to the top but once your there you can hang around and create opportunities - the saints have had one good season and are still a long way to breaking into the top 4.