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U.S Presidential Election

Djevv

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The Trump diehards on here Lee, Djev, the mysterious blofeld, Tiger-Harley-Guy have never accused you of b pro-Dem so that's way off as well.

I’m a Trump die-hard? I don’t even support Trump. He lost me during COVID and in not conceding the election. I’m just conservative.

I do understand why people of faith might vote for him as they are regularly kicked around and spoken down to by the left. They are also unbearably smug and arrogant. BUT to be fair they are also often correct about social issues and who is on the bottom and needs support. I just wish they could find something less divisive than critical race theory to drive their politics.

I am looking forward to Biden as president and hope he stays in the centre and governs with civility and decorum.
 
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tigerdell

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Arguing if its a coup or not has the effect of diminshing it. A coup but disorganised and kinda bit of fun?

If it wasnt a coup, then it was a *smile* nasty riot at a highly significant and almost spiritual place (for Americans)
- people turned up for battle. Military kit such as kevlar vests, hemets, nightscopes.
- bombs were planted at other buildings (dem and rep national offices)
- rioters invading the building with automatic guns, other weapons and zip ties
- caches of weapons were found afterwards
-cops were bashed, some to death.
- a gallows was built. Maybe symbolic but obvious references to the threat of hostage taking

That makes me pause for breath.
Imagine this happened in Australia.
Or imagine that a politician was taken hostage.
It is outrageous.

Coup or not, this was out of control.
With extreme violence in some quarters.
With clear threat of further violence aimed to intimidate politicians.

Though not all protestors were actively illegal lets not reduce it to a walk in a building.
 
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tigerman

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Arguing if its a coup or not has the effect of diminshing it. A coup but disorganised and kinda bit of fun?

If it wasnt a coup, then it was a *smile* nasty riot at a highly significant and almost spiritual place (for Americans)
- people turned up for battle. Military kit such as kevlar vests, hemets, nightscopes.
- bombs were planted at other buildings (dem and rep national offices)
- rioters invading the building with automatic guns, other weapons and zip ties
- caches of weapons were found afterwards
-cops were bashed, some to death.
- a gallows was built. Maybe symbolic but obvious references to the threat of hostage taking

That makes me pause for breath.
Imagine this happened in Australia.
Or imagine that a politician was taken hostage.
It is outrageous.

Coup or not, this was out of control.
With extreme violence in some quarters.
With clear threat of further violence aimed to intimidate politicians.

Though not all protestors were actively illegal lets not reduce it to a walk in a building.
And Trump sent them on the short walk from the rally to Capitol Hill with.........."these people are not going to take it any longer, they're not going to take it any longer." ringing in their ears.
 
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AngryAnt

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I’m a Trump die-hard? I don’t even support Trump. He lost me during COVID and in not conceding the election. I’m just conservative.

I do understand why people of faith might vote for him as they are regularly kicked around and spoken down to by the left. They are also unbearably smug and arrogant. BUT to be fair they are also often correct about social issues and who is on the bottom and needs support. I just wish they could find something less divisive than critical race theory to drive their politics.

I am looking forward to Biden as president and hope he stays in the centre and governs with civility and decorum.

Fair enough Djevv, your posts are always opinionated but fair.

Not referring to you, but interesting to see how many erstwhile supporters and enablers are jumping off now.
 
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glantone

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my cousin. very intelligent. always had similar ideals to me. is now into QAnon. shared a post from that fruitloop Craig Kelly today. I'm just stunned.

... know what you mean, it’s really common. Seems to depend on how deep you journey down the internet woke or far right rabbit hole before your ‘you gotta be shittin me this is so *smile* bogus’ mechanism is tripped. For the most woke and committed Trumpsters it’s already been disabled. It’s too late. They’re gone. Lost in deep anti-cerebral cyber space.

Back in the day you had to really commit to become totally delusional – catch freezing cold trains in winter, join little clubs of kindred spirit, attend meetings, dress a certain way, read lots of long boring boring books etc etc. Now La La Land is just a few clicks of the mouse way…. and suddenly you're there...
 
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eZyT

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my cousin. very intelligent. always had similar ideals to me. is now into QAnon. shared a post from that fruitloop Craig Kelly today. I'm just stunned.

yep. its a kind of cyber brain disease Im pretty sure.

Im no neurologist, but I reckon you could MRI QAnon brains and show some significantly different stuff to a sane persons brain.

serious question: WTF didnt QAnons catch proper institutional pedophiles in every Parish of every town? They didnt have to look for tunnels under Barack obamas place, they just had to pull back the curtain in the confessional box at their local church.

NSW Police now have a 'fixated persons unit' (This is true)

dedicated to pursuing cyber whack jobs.

(fingers crossed they never happen across kangaroo karaoke, or pseudo-intellectual cyber outlaw threads)
 
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Djevv

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Now La La Land is just a few clicks of the mouse way…. and suddenly you're there...

That’s due to how social media AI algorithms work. Once you show an interest in a topic you start getting more of the same until you are inside an echo chamber.

Have Big Tech considered changing how these work I wonder?
 
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eZyT

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That’s due to how social media AI algorithms work. Once you show an interest in a topic you start getting more of the same until you are inside an echo chamber.

Have Big Tech considered changing how these work I wonder?

good point.

essentially a polarising algorithm.

you're saturated with either us or them
 

Baloo

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That’s due to how social media AI algorithms work. Once you show an interest in a topic you start getting more of the same until you are inside an echo chamber.

Have Big Tech considered changing how these work I wonder?
There is no money for the Tech companies if they keep showing you leading you to stuff you have no interest in. By focusing on what you've shown interest in, then adding that to your online profile that has all your connected history, they display stuff to you they think you would also find interesting.

Their goal is to keep you online, viewing stuff they serve up, to collect the advertising revenue. Advertising that is targeted to you based on your profile that advertisers have paid for.
 

Giardiasis

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So if it was on the Syria thread, say that.

Most criticisms of Trump here do not come from a Libertarian perspective, but that does not make them wrong. This is the problem with a "one-true-way" approach - anything that is not that, is wrong. All you can say is "he's the same as the rest" or "he's a statist". Clearly he's different to most politicians, and above all else he is a mercenary, corrupt, crony capitalist.

The Trump diehards on here Lee, Djev, the mysterious blofeld, Tiger-Harley-Guy have never accused you of being pro-Dem so that's way off as well.
I just did say that, geez you sound like my wife.

I don't understand your "one-true-way" approach problem. I think I go to a decent level of explanation of when I disagree with someone. I don't claim to be right simply because I argue from a libertarian viewpoint. I argue I'm right using logically consistent arguments, happy to be shown when that's not the case as I'm not infallible. Sometimes arguing the point helps to articulate your understanding better. Sure Trump is different to most politicians, but my argument is that is it is a difference of style not substance. Most politicians are mercenaries, most are corrupt and most are crony capitalists.

For every claimed Trump die hard on here there are three times as many that are hardcore anti-Trumpites. They are also much louder and they love to pump each other up and tell each other how right they are (sometimes I dabble in that too but there are seldom opportunities!) My point is if the situation was reversed, I would be accused of being pro-dem.
 
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Giardiasis

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And Trump sent them on the short walk from the rally to Capitol Hill with.........."these people are not going to take it any longer, they're not going to take it any longer." ringing in their ears.
That statement neither explicitly or implicitly advocates violence.
 
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RoarEmotion

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There is no money for the Tech companies if they keep showing you leading you to stuff you have no interest in. By focusing on what you've shown interest in, then adding that to your online profile that has all your connected history, they display stuff to you they think you would also find interesting.

Their goal is to keep you online, viewing stuff they serve up, to collect the advertising revenue. Advertising that is targeted to you based on your profile that advertisers have paid for.
I’ve listened to a few episodes of this podcast on this topic. Pretty interesting stuff - essentially fake/crazy stories keep you watching longer so sell more ads. So if you like planes you get shown planes, then stuff with planes crashing, then stuff with 9-11, then 9-11 conspiracy theories and then I guess you turn into a nutter. Sorry no someone espousing contested facts.

 
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glantone

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I’ve listened to a few episodes of this podcast on this topic. Pretty interesting stuff - essentially fake/crazy stories keep you watching longer so sell more ads. So if you like planes you get shown planes, then stuff with planes crashing, then stuff with 9-11, then 9-11 conspiracy theories and then I guess you turn into a nutter. Sorry no someone espousing contested facts.

Hahaha... great post in a nutshell. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Resistance is useless if you can't be bothered or are just impressionable.
 

Djevv

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Fair enough Djevv, your posts are always opinionated but fair.

Not referring to you, but interesting to see how many erstwhile supporters and enablers are jumping off now.

Yeah some are, most notably Pence and some other Republicans.

Still 74 odd million people voted for him. That’s 74 million people voted for a man who was panned throughout his tenure by most mainstream media. That’s a lot of people not listening. I doubt they have changed their minds.
 
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Djevv

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There is no money for the Tech companies if they keep showing you leading you to stuff you have no interest in. By focusing on what you've shown interest in, then adding that to your online profile that has all your connected history, they display stuff to you they think you would also find interesting.

Their goal is to keep you online, viewing stuff they serve up, to collect the advertising revenue. Advertising that is targeted to you based on your profile that advertisers have paid for.

Yes agreed, they have a lot to answer for.
 

AngryAnt

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I just did say that, geez you sound like my wife.
No dude, don't let amnesia get you. You said on p64 of this thread.
I don't understand your "one-true-way" approach problem. I think I go to a decent level of explanation of when I disagree with someone. I don't claim to be right simply because I argue from a libertarian viewpoint. I argue I'm right using logically consistent arguments, happy to be shown when that's not the case as I'm not infallible. Sometimes arguing the point helps to articulate your understanding better. Sure Trump is different to most politicians, but my argument is that is it is a difference of style not substance. Most politicians are mercenaries, most are corrupt and most are crony capitalists.
You do argue logically and state a clear position without misrepresenting others, which I appreciate. And you call me out if I'm inconsistent which is also valuable. But I think a reliance on pure logic is not necessarily always the best approach - a priori assumptions can sink an otherwise perfectly logical and rational argument. This is philosophy 101. Agree that arguing and explaining helps.

I understand your point on "all politicians" - there is some truth in that. There is a lot of truth in the libertarian critique of the whole warfare/welfare state thing, for example. And a perfect libertarian society is logical and would seem to function well. But life isn't like that.
For every claimed Trump die hard on here there are three times as many that are hardcore anti-Trumpites. They are also much louder and they love to pump each other up and tell each other how right they are (sometimes I dabble in that too but there are seldom opportunities!) My point is if the situation was reversed, I would be accused of being pro-dem.

yes, Lee is outnumbered and he does a good job of trying to defend Trump while at the same time pretending he really doesn't care. Unfortunately his arguments are not as logical and well-thought out as yours, it's pure point scoring but then most of us are guilty of that.

Sometimes the majority is right, sometimes they are wrong, sometimes the truth lies in between.

I think the historical fact of what has happened in the US with Covid and the subsequent farcical attempt to subvert democracy since the election was called in early November prove exactly what most of us have been saying - Trump doesn't learn, he always acts the same way, if a disaster occurs he can't be relied on, he burns friends and allies without a second thought, he doesn't read, doesn't understand the Constitution and doesn't care that he doesn't understand.

TDS is a thing. I for one am revelling in the fact that this guy has failed the US in the biggest and most embarrassing way possible. He may yet be impeached, he may yet go to jail, he may yet lose a lot of his businesses so I hope he dies knowing that period of his life that should have been his greatest achievement turned out to be his most abysmal failure.

It's true, I just don't like the guy.
 
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mrposhman

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Yeah some are, most notably Pence and some other Republicans.

Still 74 odd million people voted for him. That’s 74 million people voted for a man who was panned throughout his tenure by most mainstream media. That’s a lot of people not listening. I doubt they have changed their minds.

Thats because Trump has for a long time been brainwashing his diehards to ignore any media that doesn't agree with him, hence Fake News. This has filtered down to the point where to "do their own research" they read one sided discussions on conspiracy theorist websites and far right propaganda websites along with QAnon. Whilst I don't like Trump (despite the fact that I'm a centre right voter) but what you can say about him, is either he or someone in his team have absolutely nailed his marketing to his diehards.

Sorry just referring back to last week and I know you don't like the word coup, but a question you didn't answer.

Trump was bagging Mike Pence a lot in his speech, he was riling his supporters up and a lot of what he said about Pence was that if he didn't block the final vote, then he is as bad as the others. The crowd in his speech were then chanting "hang Mike Pence", which they again did whilst they surrounded the capitol building and erecting a hangsman noose. What do you think would have happened had they managed to get their hands on Pence?? Do you think they would have murdered Pence and if so would you blame Trump for that?
 

AngryAnt

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Yeah some are, most notably Pence and some other Republicans.

Still 74 odd million people voted for him. That’s 74 million people voted for a man who was panned throughout his tenure by most mainstream media. That’s a lot of people not listening. I doubt they have changed their minds.

No, they just watch Fox, listen to Alex Jones, and watch youtube and that's their right. A lot of them would just vote for any GOP candidate, just like many Dems. But yeah, Trump has succeeded in creating an America Divided.