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U.S Presidential Election

Baloo

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The hardest element of Trumps supporters actually believe (because of what he has told them) that the election was unlawful and they regarded the act last week as no different to those that are now well regarded as patriots. They believed that their government was illegitimate and were prepared to take it back with force. To think that this wouldn't have resulted in loss of life is ignorant at best.
Radicalisation.
 

Willo

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You cannot seriously be comparing the aims with regards to insurrection as the same as BLM where the damage was mainly to shops etc (not condoning this) and the violent attack and occupation of a federal building with the senate present??
Interesting. Is it is because of the location and politicians were present?

Some assertions are that BLM protests resulted in between 19-26 deaths (Different sources) let alone alone the hundreds that suffered injuries.

With due respect Posh Its a bit of a play down just to say “Damage mainly to shops etc” which resulted in the hundreds of $millions of damages.
It was far far more than just that.
 
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spook

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Tough question. I don’t think anyone would have been harmed. Shouting slogans is one thing but murdering people is entirely another. Still there were some hard-heads in that crowd, people were scared. I think given what Trump said about Pence I would hold him responsible. Pence has every right to be absolutely livid with Trump.
They murdered a cop. What makes you think they wouldn't have murdered the people they were chanting about murdering?
 
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Brodders17

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Interesting. Is it is because of the location and politicians were present?

Some assertions are that BLM protests resulted in between 19-26 deaths (Different sources) let alone alone the hundreds that suffered injuries.

With due respect Posh Its a bit of a play down just to say “Damage mainly to shops etc” which resulted in the hundreds of $millions of damages.
It was far far more than just that.
some of those deaths and injuries were the result of violence from racist right wingers attacking protestors.
 

mrposhman

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Interesting. Is it is because of the location and politicians were present?

Some assertions are that BLM protests resulted in between 19-26 deaths (Different sources) let alone alone the hundreds that suffered injuries.

With due respect Posh Its a bit of a play down just to say “Damage mainly to shops etc” which resulted in the hundreds of $millions of damages.
It was far far more than just that.

I get what you mean and I don't mean to denigrate the damage that was caused in those BLM protests. I was commenting on the insurrection comments around the BLM protests compared to the MAGA one last week. Big difference damaging shops etc (and I know there was a lot of damage) than taking over one of the most iconic federal buildings in the country with the aim (whether it was feasible or not) to undemocratically overturn an election result.

To compare the "insurrection" of one against the other is like comparing the last 4 years of the Tiges compared to the Crows.
 
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AngryAnt

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Djevv

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And that is a bad thing? I won't bother going into the complex history of Marxism, including evil dictators that got into power under the banner, but Marxist philosophy and Socialism is a good thing. At the very least, even if you are anything but far right, it has good elements. Equality, lack of exploitation, what's not to like?

Also your argument implies that only marxist leaders can be murderous, manipluative megalomaniacs. Naive and ideological in the extreme. I could say exectly the same about the nutcase right moosehorn brigade, did you know Djevv, I have heard that some of those in the crowd actually beleived in facism, nationalism and white supremacy and looked to forment revolution?

Amazing I know. Even taking your argument at face value, the BLM are fighting for equality, and end to racist law enforcement. What are the rednecks fighting for? Their right to be dumb and racist, carry guns, and not have access to decent wages, healthcare and education? Marx sure got one thing right, (he got most things right AFAIC in terms of his analysis, even if his prescriptions need work): false consciousness.

Sure Marxism gets somethings right. Marxism at its core is about revolution. BLM (check it’s website) is Marxist and is therefore revolutionary. Hence the violence.

BLM were fighting against institutional racism based on the criminal actions of one cop. Trumps supporters are fighting for their constitutional freedoms as well. They were reminding congress 74M voted for him. Some went too far and will probably go to jail for it.

It’s interesting you accuse them all of being red-neck racists. The hubris of the left is astonishing really. And you wonder why society is so divided?
 
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AngryAnt

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And you still claim no one would have been harmed even though a policeman was beaten to death.
 

AngryAnt

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Sure Marxism gets somethings right. Marxism at its core is about revolution. BLM (check it’s website) is Marxist and is therefore revolutionary. Hence the violence.

BLM were fighting against institutional racism based on the criminal actions of one cop. Trumps supporters are fighting for their constitutional freedoms as well. They were reminding congress 74M voted for him.
Explain which constitutional freedoms specifically they were fighting for.
 

eZyT

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Yes BLM had a nice progressive aim that the mainstream media lapped up. So they excused the violence. What they didn’t tell you was BLM was a Marxist organisation. Some of those in the crowd actually believed in Marxism and looked to forment revolution (like in the communist manifesto) through violence. Insurrection by another name.

OMG!

did any have Malcom X tattoos?

I saw a photo of a MANGA DomTer with a T shirt that read 6MWE - which stands for 6 million wasn't enough.

what a guy.

it might have been a deep fake made by LATISHA pedophiles with fake Covid in tunnels using 5G though?
 

Greenie

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Sure Marxism gets somethings right. Marxism at its core is about revolution. BLM (check it’s website) is Marxist and is therefore revolutionary. Hence the violence.

BLM were fighting against institutional racism based on the criminal actions of one cop. Trumps supporters are fighting for their constitutional freedoms as well. They were reminding congress 74M voted for him. Some went too far and will probably go to jail for it.

It’s interesting you accuse them all of being red-neck racists. The hubris of the left is astonishing really. And you wonder why society is so divided?
A few thoughts:

Equating Marxism to revolution is about equal to calling all Republican voters Rednecks. Since 1950 it's really become just a left wing philosopy.

Most people who voted for Trump are just standard conservative voters who couldn't stand the idea of voting Democrat. Some aren't.

BLM were fighting for the actions of many cops over many years well before 2020 as you know, discounting any discussion of slavery.

70 million odd voted for Hilary and the losing side in every election in history. None of them felt no need to visit Congress.

This is different.
 
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mrposhman

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Sure Marxism gets somethings right. Marxism at its core is about revolution. BLM (check it’s website) is Marxist and is therefore revolutionary. Hence the violence.

BLM were fighting against institutional racism based on the criminal actions of one cop. Trumps supporters are fighting for their constitutional freedoms as well. They were reminding congress 74M voted for him. Some went too far and will probably go to jail for it.

It’s interesting you accuse them all of being red-neck racists. The hubris of the left is astonishing really. And you wonder why society is so divided?

Before I make comment, can I just clarify that I haven't misunderstood something here.

1 - You think BLM's is only around because 1 death (George Floyds) proves that there is institutionalised racism in the US
2 - That you think that Trumps supporters are fighting for their freedoms because of 74m votes yet still lost as the other guy got 81.3m. What constitutional freedoms were they fighting for?
 
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AngryAnt

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Yeah Djevv ain't gonna respond to that, neither will he respond to the fact a policeman was murdered in an event where he "would be surprised if anyone would get hurt".

There was also the woman shot dead and the guy who tazered his own balls and died.
 

tigerdell

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Yeah Djevv ain't gonna respond to that, neither will he respond to the fact a policeman was murdered in an event where he "would be surprised if anyone would get hurt".

There was also the woman shot dead and the guy who tazered his own balls and died.
Ant maybe time to cool your jets mate.
Djevv has posted and responded to others, give him time to respond or ignore you!

PRE dont need another feud

This is said with all due respect to the Antworld of course!
 
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Willo

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some of those deaths and injuries were the result of violence from racist right wingers attacking protestors.
I wasn’t laying the blame solely on BLM protesters Brodder.
Just the total of lives lost and the many hundreds of injured, including police, storekeepers, protesters, bystanders.etc