I don't live in NSW. The last NSW ALP pollie who was any good was Keating.
Saying both sides do it and have done it for years is not wrong, but it's like saying Merri Creek and the Nile are both rivers.
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Saying both sides do it and have done it for years is not wrong, but it's like saying Merri Creek and the Nile are both rivers.
Hey hey...easy there ToOheys. Bloke is doing a great job. Don't you know we are ahead of schedule ? Ok, our schedule is 3 months behind everyone else's schedule but that's not the point.
Him and Slo-Mo will ensure we get there (eventually) and they will both make sure via tax payer funded expert marketing and branding, that you know about it.
Perfectly reasonable question, Hunt put a party logo on an announcement where we are paying for that which is announced.
Any party does this it is wrong.
Any party in government does this and they should be questioned by journos (Murdoch media would only ask the question of a Labor politician).
Deflecting to some story about the journalist's political views is just trying to distract. I presume the journo is also a citizen and allowed to hold political views.
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Any party does this it is wrong.
Any party in government does this and they should be questioned by journos (Murdoch media would only ask the question of a Labor politician).
Deflecting to some story about the journalist's political views is just trying to distract. I presume the journo is also a citizen and allowed to hold political views.
DS
This article encapsulates why aged care was such a disaster. These guys should face criminal prosecution but AFAIK nothing is being done:
www.theage.com.au
Bankrupt chicken farmers banned for cruelty running aged care homes
Two brothers banned from working in the poultry industry for a total of 17 years after starving more than a million chickens were able to acquire two aged care homes in Melbourne, despite being bankrupt at the time and having no experience.
Morrison has sidestepped 180 odd questions in parliament
in the same period Julia Gillard deflected zero (0).
this data reported from an Independent review (not that things like intellectual rigour, independence or truth matter right??)
could he be the least productive, least accountable PM we've ever had?
with ScoMo, its 'the buck stops before it gets to me'
www.theguardian.com
I didnt realise he was this bad to be honest. Hes exceeded his level of competence by a few rungs. Hes out of his depth. He's backbench material at best.
this marketing bloke, trying to lead 25million people, from the back of the pack
in the same period Julia Gillard deflected zero (0).
this data reported from an Independent review (not that things like intellectual rigour, independence or truth matter right??)
could he be the least productive, least accountable PM we've ever had?
with ScoMo, its 'the buck stops before it gets to me'
Morrison deflected parliamentary questions to other ministers almost 200 times since becoming PM
Exclusive: independent office unable to find one instance when Julia Gillard as leader referred a question to a colleague
I didnt realise he was this bad to be honest. Hes exceeded his level of competence by a few rungs. Hes out of his depth. He's backbench material at best.
this marketing bloke, trying to lead 25million people, from the back of the pack
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If China can build a new hospital in six days why can't Morrison get some quarantine accommodation built.
Come on Morrison step up, show some leadership.
Come on Morrison step up, show some leadership.
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There will be an election this year and Australian need to start thinking about endorsing a leader who will 1. lead and 2. stand up in a crisis.
Drinking schooners in a flouro vest and the ability to deliver one-liners wont be sufficient qualification to lead our nation,
as things heat up, literally, and our region become politically unstable.
we need a leader with ticker, vision, smarts and decisiveness,
and one who places the longterm wellbeing of our nation, ahead of their own career.
I really hope Plibersek hires a nanny and steps up, because I don't think Albo is that person.
and it a shame for the nation (not her obviously) that Penny Wong is an asian lesbian. I reckon she would be a ripper PM.
Kristine Keneallys in form lately?
who is there in the LNP? rule a line through all Nationals. They are a bunch of irrelevant hillbillies only interested in cotton and coal; they don't even represent farmers anymore.
so who do the Libs have? I know little about her, but Marise Payne seems the best to me.
Why does there appear to be more talent in the senate than The House? Can Senators be PM?
She's very experienced (25 years), she's on record as a republican and opposed to mandatory detention, John Howard and Tony Abbott don't like her, and I cant find her denying climate change anywhere.
She actually seems quite human, as did Julie Bishop before her.
Drinking schooners in a flouro vest and the ability to deliver one-liners wont be sufficient qualification to lead our nation,
as things heat up, literally, and our region become politically unstable.
we need a leader with ticker, vision, smarts and decisiveness,
and one who places the longterm wellbeing of our nation, ahead of their own career.
I really hope Plibersek hires a nanny and steps up, because I don't think Albo is that person.
and it a shame for the nation (not her obviously) that Penny Wong is an asian lesbian. I reckon she would be a ripper PM.
Kristine Keneallys in form lately?
who is there in the LNP? rule a line through all Nationals. They are a bunch of irrelevant hillbillies only interested in cotton and coal; they don't even represent farmers anymore.
so who do the Libs have? I know little about her, but Marise Payne seems the best to me.
Why does there appear to be more talent in the senate than The House? Can Senators be PM?
She's very experienced (25 years), she's on record as a republican and opposed to mandatory detention, John Howard and Tony Abbott don't like her, and I cant find her denying climate change anywhere.
She actually seems quite human, as did Julie Bishop before her.
Just to answer one question Ezy.
I'm not sure there is any prohibition on Senators being PM, but they really can't - the PM must come from the peoples' house which is the House of Reps.
That said, John Gorton became PM while a senator years ago, they immediately moved him to a safe House of Reps seat, but that involved a by-election of course and someone had to make way.
As for leadership, haven't seen any of that for a while, everything is too short term and too focussed on scoring points against your opponent these days (so, also relentlessly negative). I still think a big positive "we will do this" campaign might just cut through but neither major party has the guts to try this, so go for the safe option of trying to make the other major party unelectable.
DS
I'm not sure there is any prohibition on Senators being PM, but they really can't - the PM must come from the peoples' house which is the House of Reps.
That said, John Gorton became PM while a senator years ago, they immediately moved him to a safe House of Reps seat, but that involved a by-election of course and someone had to make way.
As for leadership, haven't seen any of that for a while, everything is too short term and too focussed on scoring points against your opponent these days (so, also relentlessly negative). I still think a big positive "we will do this" campaign might just cut through but neither major party has the guts to try this, so go for the safe option of trying to make the other major party unelectable.
DS
yeah,
plus Shorten's campaign reinforced that theres far, far more to be lost than gained,
from, heaven forbid, articulating policy and vision, during an election campaign.
although I still, honesty, believe it was the footage of him jogging rather than franking credits,
which delivered us Morrison.
It was amongst the worst human movement from an ostensibly able-bodied person I have ever seen
Unfortunately it will be small targets at 100 paces the next few elections
* advisory note to any decent leadership candidate: Jog where there are no cameras
It was Shorten the person not policy that lost the last election.
The electorate told the ALP for years that they didn't want Shorten, he was always way behind in the preferred PM stakes, despite polls saying a majority favoured the ALP, but the ALP for whatever reason (maybe even arrogance) did nothing to change this. It was clear as day that Shorten was an unelectable leader, but they went in with him anyway. Nothing else other than that arrogance cost them the last election (and I'm not an ALP supporter).
with respect, thats simply not true.
ALP were unbackable favourites and ahead in every poll imaginable.
then Bill pulled on the KT26's and went for a waddle,
and delivered us Morrisons Miracle.
I agree on the jogging. Should never have been allowed to be filmed while jogging. Plus his pub tour for Bob Hawke before the election didn't help.
Like I said ALP were ahead in the polls, but Shorten was a not wanted as PM. It was clear as day in the polls. Your statement that they were ahead in every poll imaginable is wrong. They were ahead in regards to the preferred party, but they were not ahead (in fact they were comfortably beaten) in preferred PM polls.
The people wanted the ALP, the people did not want Shorten.
The ALP ignored that and lost.
I think its as simple as that, sure some of those late policies hurt, but the Australian people had been telling the ALP to dump Shorten for years but they ignored it repeatedly.
Well have agree to disagree.
My recall is different. It was considered unlosable for labour and shorten
But they lost.
My memory also suggests that Shorten released a tsunami of policy, while Morrison campaigned for deisel 4x4's?
While he would certainly have been better than Morrison, Shorten was just another ego, more about Shorten than australia. He was no great hope.
I just want a great hope. Someone with vision, some mettle and a heart. I know that more likely from the left hand side of the spectrum, but i dont really care where it comes from.
It was an jnteresting exercise searching for talent, intelligence, class and heart this morning, and i inadvertantly came up with 4 women;
Payne, Plibersek, Wong and Keneally.*
Coincidence? I think not.
* im compelled to make the outrageously un-PC declaration that i find KK one of the sexiest women girt by sea.
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Bill's odds as preferred PM always belied the ALP odds.
Yeh, Labour were always ahead as a party but Shorten belied those polls with his lack of popularity. He was a spectacularly poor choice (a poor field at the time) and whilst his jogging (which made Howard's power walk look Nureyev like) was poorly timed I doubt it was the difference. Bill only had to open his mouth to have people offside.
And yet Labor lost only one seat to the Liberals - which was a terrible result, but still. Queensland was where it happened, seats like Dutton's were supposed to fall to Labor, so why didn't they? Partly the Shorten effect, sure. But Clive Palmer spent 30 million in swing seats and despite only getting 1-2% of the vote his preferences went to the LNP which made all the difference.
Clive Palmer bought the election and got what he wanted.
Clive Palmer bought the election and got what he wanted.
