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Kamdyn McIntosh

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The only thing that needs to be looked at is why the dumpire, didn't pay Kmac a free and why he paid it for Rampe.
When you see Selwood duck and headbut people and get frees and then you see super grover put his had over the ball to try and pick it up and get this it is rage Inducing
 
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DavidSSS

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The rules on this are clear and state:

22.1 OBLIGATION TO REPORT
22.1.1 to Controlling Body
An Umpire shall report to the Controlling Body any Player or Official who commits or
engages in conduct which may constitute a Reportable Offence:
(a) during a Match; or
(b) on the day of the Match and Within the Immediate Proximity of the Arena where
the Match is conducted.
22.1.2 Other Appointed Persons
In addition to an Umpire, a Controlling Body may authorise a person or persons to report
any Player or Official who commits or engages in conduct which may constitute a
Reportable Offence. Any person so authorised shall have the same powers and duties
as imposed upon an Umpire under this Law 22.

The rule does not say that the umpire or other appointed person "may" report a player who engages in conduct which may constitute a reportable offence, the word used is shall report there is no discretion. This is as it should be, a report is just stating that the umpire or official has observed an incident which needs to be looked at.

Whether Rampe or Dangerfield for that matter should be penalised is for the tribunal to decide. They should be cited.

This rule is clearly to protect players and is part of addressing the concussion issues. With a rule that says any incident which is reportable shall be reported the AFL is protecting itself by having a rule in place to try and prevent concussions. However, if there are situations where players do get knocked out and the rules are not followed then the AFL is going to get law suits, and they will lose the law suits, because their defence that they have rules in place to prevent this as far as practicable does not apply because they did not follow their rules. With the concussion issues getting more prominent I will be surprised if a player being knocked out doesn't become an automatic visit to the tribunal in years to come, otherwise the AFL will just open itself up to being sued.

Part of the issue (as per usual) here is the inconsistency of applying the rules. One player gets knocked out and the response is immediate and decisive, another player gets knocked out and nothing happens. They really need to fix this up as it happens too often and players are suffering ill effects for decades.

DS
 
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AngryAnt

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No way should Rampe be cited at all, he was playing the ball and was not even looking at Grover. Kam was bravely leaning forward attempting to tap the ball out and fell into Rampe coming the other way.

There was no bump or strike from Rampe and he showed due concern when Kam went down.
 
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No way should Rampe be cited at all, he was playing the ball and was not even looking at Grover. Kam was bravely leaning forward attempting to tap the ball out and fell into Rampe coming the other way.

There was no bump or strike from Rampe and he showed due concern when Kam went down.

Hey, I didn't write the rules, just want to see them consistently applied.

As I said, I reckon any player knocked out will lead to a report in future if all the attention on the long term impact of concussion continues.

I think Rampe should be cited as his actions led to KMac being knocked out, then the tribunal should look at it and conclude no case to answer.

DS
 
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Happened in front of me. Heard a sickening cracking sound. For a moment, I thought the worst. Was very happy to see him move his leg. Get back soon KMac!
 
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Hey, I didn't write the rules, just want to see them consistently applied.

As I said, I reckon any player knocked out will lead to a report in future if all the attention on the long term impact of concussion continues.

I think Rampe should be cited as his actions led to KMac being knocked out, then the tribunal should look at it and conclude no case to answer.

DS

My interpretation of the rules differs from yours. There was no reportable offence IMO.

Rampe played the ball, KMac (bravely) fell forward to reach the ball. Pure accident. There is nothing in the current rules to say if a player is knocked out another player should be reported.
 

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Happened in front of me. Heard a sickening cracking sound. For a moment, I thought the worst. Was very happy to see him move his leg. Get back soon KMac!

Rampe obviously heard and felt the nasty sound too.

he was extremely concerned immediately.

Admirable sportsmanship, the antithesis of Dangerfield, from Rampe
 
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eZyT

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Rampe did nothing wrong. The ump on the other hand...

I didn't know Kmac got penalised for getting an accidental hip to the brain until just now!

what's surprising, in the context of all this,

is they didnt pay 50m against him for lying when told to 'stand'

I wonder if a recipient player has ever refused a totally absurd free kick?
 
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5SKULL5

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They really must be out to get us. Vlastuin twice and now Kmac, hit in the head, without 1 free kick.
Not to mention that insane free kick against Nank.
Also did anyone else notice the Fox camera and sound guys run onto the ground to record a Swans goal in the last quarter? They just ran upto the goal celebration huddle like they knew it was going to happen.
 

seven

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anyone in the media yet had a potshot at K-mac and Richmond for trying to exploit the sub rule?
 

eZyT

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Also did anyone else notice the Fox camera and sound guys run onto the ground to record a Swans goal in the last quarter? They just ran upto the goal celebration huddle like they knew it was going to happen.

YES. saw it on TV. my whole family were looking at each other going

'is that a drone flying around The G? WTF'

never seen anything like it.

Im certain the rules of the game forbid anyone other than players, umpires and club support (water/runners) entering the field of play.
 

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The rules on this are clear and state:



The rule does not say that the umpire or other appointed person "may" report a player who engages in conduct which may constitute a reportable offence, the word used is shall report there is no discretion. This is as it should be, a report is just stating that the umpire or official has observed an incident which needs to be looked at.

Whether Rampe or Dangerfield for that matter should be penalised is for the tribunal to decide. They should be cited.

This rule is clearly to protect players and is part of addressing the concussion issues. With a rule that says any incident which is reportable shall be reported the AFL is protecting itself by having a rule in place to try and prevent concussions. However, if there are situations where players do get knocked out and the rules are not followed then the AFL is going to get law suits, and they will lose the law suits, because their defence that they have rules in place to prevent this as far as practicable does not apply because they did not follow their rules. With the concussion issues getting more prominent I will be surprised if a player being knocked out doesn't become an automatic visit to the tribunal in years to come, otherwise the AFL will just open itself up to being sued.

Part of the issue (as per usual) here is the inconsistency of applying the rules. One player gets knocked out and the response is immediate and decisive, another player gets knocked out and nothing happens. They really need to fix this up as it happens too often and players are suffering ill effects for decades.

DS

Not sure about your issue
If it’s reportable it must be reported - understood
But this wasn’t clear cut reportable
Time to move on
 

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Hey, I didn't write the rules, just want to see them consistently applied.

As I said, I reckon any player knocked out will lead to a report in future if all the attention on the long term impact of concussion continues.

I think Rampe should be cited as his actions led to KMac being knocked out, then the tribunal should look at it and conclude no case to answer.

DS
Yep, but the victim is a Richmond player, so they won't give a stuff.
 

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YES. saw it on TV. my whole family were looking at each other going

'is that a drone flying around The G? WTF'

never seen anything like it.

Im certain the rules of the game forbid anyone other than players, umpires and club support (water/runners) entering the field of play.
Agree completely,
I was at the ground and couldn’t believe what I was seeing. A Swans assistant coach running around with a camera on his shoulder pretending he was videoing the players whilst instructing the players what to do!
Highly exaggerated point but the potential of abusing the rules is massive. What on earth is happening to our great game? It’s really getting difficult to love this ever evolving AFL.
 
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Hey, I didn't write the rules, just want to see them consistently applied.

As I said, I reckon any player knocked out will lead to a report in future if all the attention on the long term impact of concussion continues.

I think Rampe should be cited as his actions led to KMac being knocked out, then the tribunal should look at it and conclude no case to answer.
I get what you're saying but I'm not big on going through the motions. However I can't find any MRO report on our match, or even one on yesterday's where Hartigan clocked Hawkins. Rohan got two weeks for less.
 

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YES. saw it on TV. my whole family were looking at each other going

'is that a drone flying around The G? WTF'

never seen anything like it.

Im certain the rules of the game forbid anyone other than players, umpires and club support (water/runners) entering the field of play.
I was at the ground. There are definitely suspension wires with motor driven cameras on them on the MCC side of the ground. My daughter noticed them. I haven’t watched the replay but these cameras could definitely get pretty close to some of the action and look like you are right in it. If the footage showed cameramen on the ground then that is something else.
 

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My interpretation of the rules differs from yours. There was no reportable offence IMO.

Rampe played the ball, KMac (bravely) fell forward to reach the ball. Pure accident. There is nothing in the current rules to say if a player is knocked out another player should be reported.

Yeah, typical of AFL Rules they are open to interpretation.

I do think they will eventually be forced into doing something like citing every incident when a player gets knocked out. With the info coming out about Polly Farmer, Tuck, Frawley etc they have to do something. The advantage of a rule where someone knocked out means it gets looked at later is that it is more clear cut. What would also need to happen is an attitude change where a player who gets cited and the tribunal finds the incident was a genuine accident doesn't lose their reputation. Tricky issue in Australian Rules, it is fast and 360 degrees so there will be accidents. Rampe played the ball, but concussion is a big issue and a difficult issue in our game, so we need to be dealing with this or the game may really get to the point where bumping is outlawed.

DS
 
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eZyT

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I was at the ground. There are definitely suspension wires with motor driven cameras on them on the MCC side of the ground. My daughter noticed them. I haven’t watched the replay but these cameras could definitely get pretty close to some of the action and look like you are right in it. If the footage showed cameramen on the ground then that is something else.

I only saw the perspective from the camera.

but Sydney kicked a goal, and the camera angle did a full 360 degree lap, seemingly at ground level, around the celebrating players IN THE FIELD OF PLAY.

it didnt seem like it could be wires, I think they would have garrotted a player. My first thought was a drone? (I have actually been struck by a drone, requiring stitches!!)

other posters at the game suggest it was a human holding a camera.

Thats actually a pretty big issue IMO.
 
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I only saw the perspective from the camera.

but Sydney kicked a goal, and the camera angle did a full 360 degree lap, seemingly at ground level, around the celebrating players IN THE FIELD OF PLAY.

other posters at the game suggest it was a human holding a camera.

Thats actually a pretty big issue IMO.
Fox have a camera crew that run onto the ground after each goal this season.