GAME DAY - Tiges vs Dees

[CarnTheTiges]

Agree, dosent take much for a game result to change. 2 incidents really changed momentum in my eyes , Bolton’s missed short kick at 50 to Rioli at the end of the first and Oliver been given an eternity to dispose of the ball and then he just drops it , early in the second in front of our goals , both “should” have resulted in goals to us , yet both ended up goals to them and changed momentum, bottom line they played extremely well and deserved the win

I agree, but had the game been closer for longer some of their good play may have become less so and given us opportunity.

 

[eZyT]

Wouldn’t expect it any other way, how’s the view across the range from the deck this morning Ezzzzzy

it was dark and oppressive and unstable and only crows cawing misery, when I first woke up.

but now its polaroid blue with a rippling mackerel sky and regent bower birds whistling Eminem riffs now

 

[Scoop]

We had no third option going forward.

Watched it again, we murdered Jack & Tom. Ball movement hits 80 meters out and we go long every time.

 

[BrisTiger24]

any word on Grimes?

would Dusty be in NZ by now?

is a concussion without loss of consciousness less of a concussion?

who will present MRJ with his jumper?

I know. its a lot of questions

You sound like my kids in the car.

 

[JimJessTorp]

You sound like my kids in the car.

He's touching me!!!

Are we there yet?

Mum I need to wee.

I feel sick.

 

[The_Celebrant]

Remember this: Melbourne have played their hand, showed us (and other teams) their cards.

Same as the Swans did a few short weeks ago.

Opponents then plan to curb their gameplan - look at Swans last two weeks.

Watch closely over coming weeks to see what other teams do to counter Melbourne's strengths and burst their bubble.

 

[BrisTiger24]

He's touching me!!!

Are we there yet?

Mum I need to wee.

I feel sick.

That's before we get out of our street

 

[BrisTiger24]

Remember this: Melbourne have played their hand, showed us (and other teams) their cards.

Same as the Swans did a few short weeks ago.

Opponents then plan to curb their gameplan - look at Swans last two weeks.

Watch closely over coming weeks to see what other teams do to counter Melbourne's strengths and burst their bubble.

The good news for us and the bad news for them is we haven't been beaten by the same team twice in a season.

We don't play them again in the home and away. See you in the finals boys

 

[Tass]

Well that wasn't much fun, got beaten and got wet at the game.

We looked just a bit off tonight. Being down a rotation would not have helped but even ignoring that factor we were a bit off.

That said, Melbourne were good. They are a genuinely good team and are playing good footy. We'll see how long they can maintain it and how well they would go against us at full strength and in better form. But they are looking like they deserve to make finals and contend for top 4.

To my eyes our biggest issue tonight was entries into forward 50. We had more inside 50s than Melbourne yet we lost badly. The smalls in our forward line are not playing well. Castagna has been decent this year but I don't think Aarts is up to it and Rioli has certainly lost something, he is just not very effective at the moment. I know there has been a strategy of contest the ball up forward, lock it in, massive pressure and the smalls contribute some goals. None of this was in evidence tonight, and I would have to say it has been missing in a fair few of our games. Against Carlton our small forwards never seemed to be in the right spot when the ball came off the pack and the same goes for the games against Sydney and tonight. Add to that the fact that when we are playing well the tall forwards also take some marks and kick goals. Nothing was working up forward, as reflected in the stat that we scored 30% of the times we got it inside 50. Plus, the ease with which Melbourne were able to get it out of our 50 with a chain of uncontested possessions was something we just can't let happen, and this wasn't the only game we have let it happen - I really can't see that the new rules are to blame for this - we seem to be losing the ground ball up forward and need to address this.

Our defence wasn't great but the fact they only scored 39% of the times they got it inside 50 indicates it also wasn't that bad.

We were close on clearances too so that wasn't too bad.

What we really need now is a big effort next week. Make no mistake, Footscray are genuinely good. But we have turned things around before and now is the chance for a few young players to shine.

I think we need to seriously think about dropping both Aarts and Rioli, they really are not contributing much at the moment. Maybe the role Rioli plays is not so relevant with the changes to the game, maybe he needs to be given a different role - less closing down space and more creating opportunities to score. In any case, closing space is of little help when the opposition are clearing it with a series of short possessions along the boundary - all very good to block the corridor but doing so means we have players in the corridor and get outnumbered along the boundary. I would also get another tall forward. We probably don't need the third tall there all the time so it is a perfect opportunity to give CCJ a go as second ruck and forward the rest of the time. Lynch needs to lead more and run around more so he isn't double teamed all the time - I think his lack of run makes it too easy to have a couple of defenders hanging off him all the time.

The centre is also a question. I would get RCD in for a debut, not sure if he has any speed but we certainly need more speed in the middle.

We will be a better team with Prestia and Vlastuin back. Dustin needs a break, send him on a holiday to New Zealand to visit his dad, he needs a bit of a recharge. We will need Lambert back ASAP too, hope the calf isn't too bad.

I think the hunger is still there, but we are off the pace at the moment. Need to pick it up, but look at our draw and we have a decent run in the back half of the season so we can time a big run into the finals and be a decent chance to contend.

A last couple of observations.

The umpiring was predictably woeful. Gross inconsistency in the holding the man/ball interpretations. Some appalling decisions relating to whether a kick had or had not gone 15 metres. Plenty of throws missed, this truly is a blight on the game. If the AFL wants to allow throwing then they can go and re-form the VFA and f*** off quite frankly - enforce the bloody rules.

22nd man beat me to it, but Melbourne should really be very disappointed in that crowd. 56,000 was pathetic and I reckon half the crowd were Richmond. They were 5-0 and playing the reigning premiers and still didn't turn up in numbers. They can blame COVID or the weather but in reality it was just pathetic. There should have been at least 70,000 there tonight and the Melbourne supporters should have clearly outnumbered us at their own home game. No idea how many (few) members they have but Melbourne supporters are looking like their own stereotype of heartless supporters who aren't even fair weather supporters since they didn't even turn up tonight. Their heart beats true? Really? They are a club without a heart and they may have fixed the culture amongst the playing group but they have a hell of a lot of work to get a culture amongst their supporter base.

DS

Great summary David. But I disagree on the crowd balance comment. I thought they clearly outnumbered us and were very vocal. We on the hand, were timid and placid in our vocal support. Very un-Richmond like. I’ll be posting my observations on this on a separate thread.

 

[jb03]

Remember this: Melbourne have played their hand, showed us (and other teams) their cards.

Same as the Swans did a few short weeks ago.

Opponents then plan to curb their gameplan - look at Swans last two weeks.

Watch closely over coming weeks to see what other teams do to counter Melbourne's strengths and burst their bubble.

The Dees play Kangas, swans, carlton and Crows in their next 4. Can't see them dropping any of those.

 

[bigwow]

The Dees play Kangas, swans, carlton and Crows in their next 4. Can't see them dropping any of those.

Have to tune into channel 7, so I can find out the last they won 10 in a row.
Hope the Roos or Blues roll them.

 

[TigerForce]

The Dees play Kangas, swans, carlton and Crows in their next 4. Can't see them dropping any of those.

Bit lucky they played their only outside Vic game against the Giants when they were out of form. Best thing about these teams is to see the pressure bubble build as they win more. It's gonna pop soon enough.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

Remember this: Melbourne have played their hand, showed us (and other teams) their cards.

Same as the Swans did a few short weeks ago.

Opponents then plan to curb their gameplan - look at Swans last two weeks.

Watch closely over coming weeks to see what other teams do to counter Melbourne's strengths and burst their bubble.

At some point in the season another team will get hold of them and smash them, how they respond to it will determine how they end up.

 

[eZyT]

Great summary David. But I disagree on the crowd balance comment. I thought they clearly outnumbered us and were very vocal. We on the hand, were timid and placid in our vocal support. Very un-Richmond like. I’ll be posting my observations on this on a separate thread.

thats how it sounded on the wireless.

it was pretty disconcerting,

The chant of the Hooray Henrys, painted in oversize Ralph Lauren warpaint.

we were never going to win in hindsight,

but in foresight, I don't think we will ever lose in September.

 

[TigerForce]

At some point in the season another team will get hold of them and smash them, how they respond to it will determine how they end up.

FACT:

R18 - 2004: Egobourne sitting in No 1 spot at 14-4, lost the next 4 and finished 5th 14-8. Lost the EF and bundled out.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

FACT:

R18 - 2004: Egobourne sitting in No 1 spot at 14-4, lost the next 4 and finished 5th 14-8. Lost the EF and bundled out.

Reminiscent of #lolnorf in 2016.

 

[TigerForce]

Reminiscent of #lolnorf in 2016.

Good pick up Carn. 9-0 to 12-10 and then lost the EF. We learnt our lesson in 2018.

 

[TigerMasochist]

I thought they clearly outnumbered us and were very vocal. We on the hand, were timid and placid in our vocal support. Very un-Richmond like. I’ll be posting my observations on this on a separate thread.

Wasn't exactly a hell of a lot for Tigers fans to get vocal about last night. First qtr we controlled but did no scoreboard damage, the rest of the game we pretty much got monstered by Smelbourne n I'm bloody surprised it wasn't a ten goal flogging. After three flags in four years there's not really a hell of a lot for Tigers to get all rabid n noisy about during April. Usually just some solid barracking n a sing along at games end.

Smelbourne fans on the other hand have had an amazing start to their season, their mob was doing a number on the reigning premiers n they were getting some serious payback for some of the losses we've handed them in recent years. Did take a bit of notice of some of the behaviour of a few Smelbourne players and their mob of fans. Reckon just about now there's a few players egos getting a touch out of control n their fans are absolutely death riding them to a flag already. Things could get fairly ugly if the wheels come off their billiecart.

 

[Gazmatron]

Best summary of a game that I have seen this year!1

i agree with all that you have said, and i think that we are not getting enough from Lynch. Swap for CCJ ?

If they persist in bombing it into the forward line Aarts and Rioli have no impact perhaps CJ as a third tall to break the concentration on Lynch. Caddy notanoption as we are getting killed for pace and sadly Caddy does nothing in that direction

 

[mrposhman]

If they persist in bombing it into the forward line Aarts and Rioli have no impact perhaps CJ as a third tall to break the concentration on Lynch. Caddy notanoption as we are getting killed for pace and sadly Caddy does nothing in that direction

It was pretty evident yesterday what was happening poorly in our forward line.

1 - we were under sized, they played tomlinson and May on Lynch and Riewoldt and then Lever picked up a small
2 - We didn't seperate
3 - Because we didn't seperate when we pushed the ball deep into our forward line (think bombing) everyone was close together and May / Tomlinson could block and hold Lynch / Riewoldt out of the contest and Lever would come across and mark.

The keys going forward have to be to get our big 2 to SEPERATE and I also think CCJ has earnt a call up to give Nank a chopout but to also make that 3rd tall accountable.