Sydney Stack

[leon]

Sid and mrj in the team is a mouthwatering proposition

Well, they were in the VFL side that got belted by Casey. Did you watch it? Most who did ended up with a very dry mouth.

After 3 flags in 4 years, all the posters on here now proposing MRJ as the 'kid' Messiah and Stack, the naughty boy, who has contributed nothing to these premiership victories, just bemuses me. So now they are 'the answer'; the panacea? Sounds like clutching at straws to me.

MRJ is showing promising signs, sure, but as I've posted before, has a long way to go to reach his potential yet, just a kid out of the NTFL and not even TAC Cup games due to Covid '20. Sidney also has a long way to go in getting match-hard fit and getting his act together - reliably.

We have others on the list that have earned their opportunity from being on the list longer or by providing consistent effort over an extended period: Ross, CCJ, maybe RCD, Naish and Ralphsmith. Perfect time to blood some of these guys and get a lift in form, hunger and enthusiasm if any of our flag heroes are not up for the battle any more (and might have been some signs some aren't; but a game stuffed up by injuries and wasted chances largely).

Plenty of time for MRJ to develop but if he increases his endurance and franks his form further, I think the Dreamtime game against a young and inexperienced Bummers' side could be a great time for a debut.

 

[eZyT]

We have others on the list that have earned their opportunity from being on the list longer or by providing consistent effort over an extended period: Ross, CCJ, maybe RCD and Ralphsmith.

there is, and can be, zero relationship between time on the list and/or effort, and senior games.

by that logic, we pick up Steve Morris in the mid season draft,

and play him on the ball in the firsts.

I also find the notion of debuting black people in the dreamtime game,

as ludicrous as debuting a cancer survivor against St.Kilda.

I accept thats probably just me.

 

[Dont Argue]

I’ve seen Sydney Stack play brilliant football.
I can’t unsee it no matter how hard I try

 

[Harry]

I thought it was Cumberland too.

the ump seemed to be writing a novel in his notebook.

I think where theres any doubt, they just sink the boot into our Syd

Was thinking the same

Ump 1 - who was it ?
Ump 2 - dunno, must have been that guy who brawls outside kebab stores
Ump 1 - Yeah thought it was Stack

 

[leon]

there is, and can be, zero relationship between time on the list and/or effort, and senior games.

by that logic, we pick up Steve Morris in the mid season draft,

and play him on the ball in the firsts.

I also find the notion of debuting black people in the dreamtime game,

as ludicrous as debuting a cancer survivor against St.Kilda.

I accept thats probably just me.

My emphasis was on consistent effort and performance. [Note: I later edited to include Naish whom I simply forgot].

Form wavers, even for champions like Cotchin, but the players I mentioned have played far more senior footy recently than MRJ or Stack and have displayed strong form in previous VFL games and seasons.

One point I might have added but getting too wordy, was that I see other clubs more willing to persevere with young players rather than drop them immediately they put in a below-par performance. Hate to say it, but the Bummers are a good example with the likes of Parish, Langford, Laverde, Ham. Very different performance compared to RFC over last 4 years, sure, but often developing young players requires perseverance, trial in different positions perhaps, but not losing faith e.g. I'd like to see Naish brought in and told to run with Bailey Smith and see if he can curb/match him. Naish can find the ball and use it; he deserves a few games.

So you are mis-construing my point with more of your tawdry crap. Steve Morris? You think it's hilarious to drag him into it? Not even on the list for years! Could add more.

I know I've seen several other posters suggest DT a great time to debut for MRJ - have you had the same retort for all of them? Let's check.

For mine, I've already said - when the selectors think he's cherry-ripe for AFL - I'd be happy to wait for next year if that's what's best. But, I was thinking more along the lines of giving him more senior footy to build his tank and get more exposure to the bigger bodies for a kid from NTFL, so around mid-season. I'm not sure what you are trying to suggest or imply by resorting to this and another stupid analogy (and offensive).

But I have noticed your attacks on other posters who are dedicated enough to actually attend training sessions and file reports based on empirical observation rather than fanciful delusions. To hoist the remedy for the team's current woes on two young players currently playing good/ok footy in a couple of VFL matches, is farcical and unfair on them.

And if it was even tried and failed? Then what? You're missing the bigger picture - of course other teams have had 4 years to finally work out our game, have had access to some quality draftees/recruits chosen wisely for the current game, and have either implemented key elements of our style or measures to counter it. But you think the complete response is to throw in 2 young players after a couple of VFL games? Why? Because they're indigenous? One's father was MR? (Worked for Tommy Roach and Naishy, right?)

But I note you avoid responding to the actual points I made to instead resort to your usual fantasy BS and lame, offensive attempts at ridicule. Sometimes I'm amused by your posts, but you've never fooled me much. Like I've said previously, not sure what you grow on that farm.

 

[eZyT]

But I note you avoid responding to the actual points I made to instead resort to your usual fantasy BS and lame, offensive attempts at ridicule. Sometimes I'm amuse by your posts, but you've never fooled me much. Like I've said previously, not sure what you grow on that farm.

I don't normally respond because I ignore you.

I decided to unignore and start afresh this morning,

and this is my first experience.

see ya.

 

[leon]

I don't normally respond because I ignore you.

I decided to unignore and start afresh this morning,

and this is my first experience.

see ya.

What a pity you'll miss this then: looks like I hit the nail right on the head. Pretty weak.

Reality can't be ignored for that long, you know.

 

[TJsFurrow]

I’ve seen Sydney Stack play brilliant football.
I can’t unsee it no matter how hard I try

And he played that way for a good batch of weeks, straight from debut, so I've got the same thing stuck in my head. It was as confident a beginning to a career as I've seen. Then he ran out of steam, got injured and missed out when the whips were cracking. And when he came back he lacked so much confidence that he just looked a different player. I can't unsee that either.
I feel like it's between the ears for Syd: when he feels good, he's got enough spare to congratulate Eddie on a goal or dance like no ones watching (when everyone's watching) at the Dreamtime game. Maybe it correlates with physical fitness, but maybe it's other things. Maybe he needs to 'spress himself fully to feel balanced. Maybe following his dreams as a rap artist would be a good thing. Players are always encouraged to pursue things outside of football. I don't see why this would be any less valid than, say, an MBA or a pilot's licence.

 

[5SKULL5]

Can see the Foxtel documentary now...Redemption Part Deux.

 

[yandb]

And he played that way for a good batch of weeks, straight from debut, so I've got the same thing stuck in my head. It was as confident a beginning to a career as I've seen. Then he ran out of steam, got injured and missed out when the whips were cracking. And when he came back he lacked so much confidence that he just looked a different player. I can't unsee that either.
I feel like it's between the ears for Syd: when he feels good, he's got enough spare to congratulate Eddie on a goal or dance like no ones watching (when everyone's watching) at the Dreamtime game. Maybe it correlates with physical fitness, but maybe it's other things. Maybe he needs to 'spress himself fully to feel balanced. Maybe following his dreams as a rap artist would be a good thing. Players are always encouraged to pursue things outside of football. I don't see why this would be any less valid than, say, an MBA or a pilot's licence.

It seems to me that when Sydney developed a dream of being a rap star his commitment to AFL took a dip and it showed last year,

He either wants to be an AFL player or a rap star, if he wants the latter no problems it's his life.

If he wants to be an AFL player I hope he gets his Mojo back and we can all enjoy his talents.

 

[BillyJean17]

And he played that way for a good batch of weeks, straight from debut, so I've got the same thing stuck in my head. It was as confident a beginning to a career as I've seen. Then he ran out of steam, got injured and missed out when the whips were cracking. And when he came back he lacked so much confidence that he just looked a different player. I can't unsee that either.
I feel like it's between the ears for Syd: when he feels good, he's got enough spare to congratulate Eddie on a goal or dance like no ones watching (when everyone's watching) at the Dreamtime game. Maybe it correlates with physical fitness, but maybe it's other things. Maybe he needs to 'spress himself fully to feel balanced. Maybe following his dreams as a rap artist would be a good thing. Players are always encouraged to pursue things outside of football. I don't see why this would be any less valid than, say, an MBA or a pilot's licence.

His highlights tape from 19 seriously places him in rarified air for a rookie year, many at the time thought he was a serious contender for rising star . I sincerely hope that ss can recapture that form, last year he was a shadow of that cavalier young man that took all before him , cmon Syd let’s do it all again

 

[BillyJean17]

It seems to me that when Sydney developed a dream of being a rap star his commitment to AFL took a dip and it showed last year,

He either wants to be an AFL player or a rap star, if he wants the latter no problems it's his life.

If he wants to be an AFL player I hope he gets his Mojo back and we can all enjoy his talents.

I was critical of his performances however am prepared to give him a leave pass considering the complexity that a covid year was for a young bloke that just wanted to turn up and play afl footy

 

[turk-d-tiger]

It seems to me that when Sydney developed a dream of being a rap star his commitment to AFL took a dip and it showed last year,

He either wants to be an AFL player or a rap star, if he wants the latter no problems it's his life.

If he wants to be an AFL player I hope he gets his Mojo back and we can all enjoy his talents.

There are a million kids wanting to be a rap star

If it was not for football sydney stack would never have got his name in a newspaper or television

and when he finishes with football that will be the end of his dream to see his name in lights

 

[tigermike]

His highlights tape from 19 seriously places him in rarified air for a rookie year, many at the time thought he was a serious contender for rising star . I sincerely hope that ss can recapture that form, last year he was a shadow of that cavalier young man that took all before him , cmon Syd let’s do it all again

Those syndesmosis injuries and broken ankles seem to be difficult injuries for many players to recover their pre-injury form. Stack, Rioli, Butler. Lambert and Nank both seem to have done better than most. Hard to know how much is mental and how much is a physical restriction? How much is it the willingness to work extra hard to get back the strength, agility and confidence of their pre-injury condition. For Stack it might be a mountain too high because he needs to feel right in his body to use the skills that gave him that edge in 2019. If he feels right then he'll feel like training harder to get fit but as many have said it depends on how much he wants it.

 

[tigerman]

And he played that way for a good batch of weeks, straight from debut, so I've got the same thing stuck in my head. It was as confident a beginning to a career as I've seen. Then he ran out of steam, got injured and missed out when the whips were cracking. And when he came back he lacked so much confidence that he just looked a different player. I can't unsee that either.
I feel like it's between the ears for Syd: when he feels good, he's got enough spare to congratulate Eddie on a goal or dance like no ones watching (when everyone's watching) at the Dreamtime game.

One thing that was very noticeable to me about Syd was the decline is his ball handling in his second year. In his debut season his ball handling was outstanding, the next season he fumbled the ball a hell of a lot.
A small sample size, but I thought Syd showed those year one clean hands against Casey on the weekend, especially when he went into the midfield.
I hope he keeps playing on the ball, it will be great for his fitness, and ball handling and he seems to love it.

 

[Harry]

One thing that was very noticeable to me about Syd was the decline is his ball handling in his second year. In his debut season his ball handling was outstanding, the next season he fumbled the ball a hell of a lot.
A small sample size, but I thought Syd showed those year one clean hands against Casey on the weekend, especially when he went into the midfield.
I hope he keeps playing on the ball, it will be great for his fitness, and ball handling and he seems to love it.

It's all fitness. If you lack energy at a contest you're gonna fumble and lose your feet

 

[Tony Braxton-Hicks]

A lot of people are putting Syd's performance decline down to confidence, but I can't unsee that footage of him at training before he went back to WA. It was like watching myself running.

 

[fastin bulbous]

Well, they were in the VFL side that got belted by Casey. Did you watch it? Most who did ended up with a very dry mouth.

After 3 flags in 4 years, all the posters on here now proposing MRJ as the 'kid' Messiah and Stack, the naughty boy, who has contributed nothing to these premiership victories, just bemuses me. So now they are 'the answer'; the panacea? Sounds like clutching at straws to me.

MRJ is showing promising signs, sure, but as I've posted before, has a long way to go to reach his potential yet, just a kid out of the NTFL and not even TAC Cup games due to Covid '20. Sidney also has a long way to go in getting match-hard fit and getting his act together - reliably.

We have others on the list that have earned their opportunity from being on the list longer or by providing consistent effort over an extended period: Ross, CCJ, maybe RCD, Naish and Ralphsmith. Perfect time to blood some of these guys and get a lift in form, hunger and enthusiasm if any of our flag heroes are not up for the battle any more (and might have been some signs some aren't; but a game stuffed up by injuries and wasted chances largely).

Plenty of time for MRJ to develop but if he increases his endurance and franks his form further, I think the Dreamtime game against a young and inexperienced Bummers' side could be a great time for a debut.

I agree with everything you point out. The only problem is... we need to replace at least one underperforming small forward and the fellas on your list won’t be an answer except ccj who I think would be a good option as a 3rd tall.
Nothing wrong with dreaming about 2 highly skilled young fellas replacing a couple of underperforming smalls.

 

[fastin bulbous]

My emphasis was on consistent effort and performance. [Note: I later edited to include Naish whom I simply forgot].

Form wavers, even for champions like Cotchin, but the players I mentioned have played far more senior footy recently than MRJ or Stack and have displayed strong form in previous VFL games and seasons.

One point I might have added but getting too wordy, was that I see other clubs more willing to persevere with young players rather than drop them immediately they put in a below-par performance. Hate to say it, but the Bummers are a good example with the likes of Parish, Langford, Laverde, Ham. Very different performance compared to RFC over last 4 years, sure, but often developing young players requires perseverance, trial in different positions perhaps, but not losing faith e.g. I'd like to see Naish brought in and told to run with Bailey Smith and see if he can curb/match him. Naish can find the ball and use it; he deserves a few games.

So you are mis-construing my point with more of your tawdry crap. Steve Morris? You think it's hilarious to drag him into it? Not even on the list for years! Could add more.

I know I've seen several other posters suggest DT a great time to debut for MRJ - have you had the same retort for all of them? Let's check.

For mine, I've already said - when the selectors think he's cherry-ripe for AFL - I'd be happy to wait for next year if that's what's best. But, I was thinking more along the lines of giving him more senior footy to build his tank and get more exposure to the bigger bodies for a kid from NTFL, so around mid-season. I'm not sure what you are trying to suggest or imply by resorting to this and another stupid analogy (and offensive).

But I have noticed your attacks on other posters who are dedicated enough to actually attend training sessions and file reports based on empirical observation rather than fanciful delusions. To hoist the remedy for the team's current woes on two young players currently playing good/ok footy in a couple of VFL matches, is farcical and unfair on them.

And if it was even tried and failed? Then what? You're missing the bigger picture - of course other teams have had 4 years to finally work out our game, have had access to some quality draftees/recruits chosen wisely for the current game, and have either implemented key elements of our style or measures to counter it. But you think the complete response is to throw in 2 young players after a couple of VFL games? Why? Because they're indigenous? One's father was MR? (Worked for Tommy Roach and Naishy, right?)

But I note you avoid responding to the actual points I made to instead resort to your usual fantasy BS and lame, offensive attempts at ridicule. Sometimes I'm amused by your posts, but you've never fooled me much. Like I've said previously, not sure what you grow on that farm.

Come on Leon that’s a whole lot of words. No need for the 3 paragraphs of thinly veiled abuse to make a point

 

[eZyT]

The great thing about footy opinions,

is they usually turn out to be right,

or wrong.

i often dont like being right,

but the rest of the time i enjoy it.