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I agree. Why didn't any of these experts come up with that? Remember the Nat Cab was taking advice from the "experts" which includes the below.. I assume they would keep minutes of these discussions. Did they discuss a long-term quarantine strategy?
Saying Scomo has botched quarantine ignores that it was unlikely his sole decision to have it state based. I reckon if any one premier was vehemently against it they would have revealed it by now.
| Jurisdiction | Position | Office holder |
|---|---|---|
| Commonwealth | Chief Medical Officer and Director of Human Biosecurity (Chair) | Paul Kelly |
| New South Wales | Chief Health Officer and Deputy Secretary Population and Public Health | Kerry Chant[13] |
| Victoria | Chief Health Officer | Brett Sutton[13] |
| Queensland | Chief Health Officer | Jeannette Young[14] |
| Western Australia | Chief Health Officer | Andrew Robertson[13] |
| South Australia | Chief Public Health Officer | Nicola Spurrier[15] |
| Tasmania | Chief Medical Officer | Tony Lawler[16][17] |
| Australian Capital Territory | Chief Health Officer | Kerryn Coleman[18][19] |
| Northern Territory | Chief Health Officer | Hugh Heggie[20][21] |
No, but when you play it out immediately pointing the finger to another governing body without consulation to me it is blame-shifting. Its his fault, deflecting attention to their failures. Not address it professionally. Vic Govt behaviour recently at the lockdown was pathetic imo. Mention that before too
No consultation based on "new evidence". Discuss it and reset what needs to be done. Anyone of them done that from Feds to State? Not that i have seen. Media 1st
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Scomo's original idea of quarantine was home quarantine. Essentially to do nothing, as usual.
The premiers insisted on hotel quarantine because anyone with a brain could see the public couldn't be trusted to self quarantine. Hotel quarantine would have been driven by the states but only because Scomo had no plan at all!
That's your narrative. Canberra bubble. Reject the premise of your question. How good's footy?!
Shadow Minister for Pretending To Build Cubby Houses.
I reckon Abbott was the best of the 3. That’s not exactly saying much, but at least the guy stood by his ideals to the very end (even if I disagreed with those ideals). Turnbull sold his soul to the far right of his party to hold onto power. And Morrison doesn’t act very Christian for a man who claims to be a Christian. Plus, he cannot lead to save his life.
I'm seeing all these people claim on social media this morning that “lockdown isn’t really ending.” Well if people can get out of the house more, can go to work and I can go to the pub on Friday, I can assure you that lockdown is definitely ending. We’ll just have to put up with restrictions for another 1-2 weeks. and fingers crossed Richmond v St Kilda in 2 weeks will be at the MCG with crowds.
Read this - Nikki Savva's epic takedown of Credlin and Abbott's government. The Mad Monk was not only mad but incompetent
Yeah, have no problem with coming out of lockdown gradually.
Yep. Early on Morrison was all about herd immunity. Don't shut the borders, don't lockdown. Christ, he even tried to take WA to court over their closing of their borders.
I think you are ignoring the setup. The health "experts" are providing the advice on covid to national cabinet. Personally I don't reckon any of the premiers showed any foresight or long-term strategy in this regard, although we are all speculating on how the decision was reached. Did anyone call out the risks of hotel quarantine before the VIC outbreaks?
BTW I'm not sure scomo has had any ideas so not sure on your home quarantine call
There were no viable alternatives to hotel quarantine early days anyway. Not enough facilities, no-where else to put them given the volumes of people returning. But they could have planned for alternatives going forward, sure. I guess they bet that it would work and other facilities wouldn't be needed.
Agree with the re-election bit. I actually think they're not sure what to do and are watching events in other countries.
The other bit that has changed over the last 2 years that affects HQ is the knowledge of the disease. Last year we were told it wasn't airborne, it only spreads on surfaces etc hence the push for sanitiser and masks for close proximity but more for protecting surfaces from airborne spit particles, however now we know it is airborne (and have known this for several months), hence the push for Howard Springs type facilities, but other than that one, what have the feds done about developing more dedicated and fit for purpose facilities. Very little is the answer. In fact wasn't it either Dutton or Frydenburg that said a month or 2 ago that these type of facilities weren't required.
Part of the problem is that we just don't have contingencies any more. Australia had quarantine facilities for decades which were only used when needed. Now they just assume that any emergency situation can be solved by throwing millions at some consulting firms and contracting everything out. It just doesn't work.
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Only 1 case. Lock down has worked well again in spite of it's massive toll. Hope it remains the case with things opening up..
Sound exactly like slomo, do nothing and let others solve the problem overseas. We can already see what other countries are doing and it ain't rocket surgery.
Here's what we should be doing:
1. mass-vaccinating the population as fast as possible including strengthening local manufacturing capability
2. running a national campaign to dispel disinformation and promote vax uptake
3. building quarantine facilities for next time
4. setting up travel/education protocols for vaxxed/unvaxxed
5. setting up finance/support to rebuild industries and prepare them for opening up - tourism/travel/education/hospitality and small business
"oh but we don't have a roadmap so we can't do anything" ... *smile* off
There is strong , recent, precedent for government vaccination coercion.
a couple of years ago our family got a letter off Centrelink asking us to demonstrate our kids were fully vaccinated (with the standard olden days vaccines; measles mumps rubella polio tetanus etc), or lose family tax benefits and child payment.
Our kids were fully vaccinated, because we didnt want them to die unneccessarily, they are good kids.
But after weeks of leg work, demonstrating it proved impossible.
It came down to getting them re-vaccinated (as adolescents), or lose all govt entitlements.
we chose the latter, and moved on.
Thats a true story.
Moral of Story #1: Why not do that now?
Moral of Story #2: dont rely on medical records/my gov/my health etc for your Covid vaccination record which you may need to travel or access govt services in the future. Have the clinic/doc where you get vaccinated print you out verification and store it with your records.
a couple of years ago our family got a letter off Centrelink asking us to demonstrate our kids were fully vaccinated (with the standard olden days vaccines; measles mumps rubella polio tetanus etc), or lose family tax benefits and child payment.
Our kids were fully vaccinated, because we didnt want them to die unneccessarily, they are good kids.
But after weeks of leg work, demonstrating it proved impossible.
It came down to getting them re-vaccinated (as adolescents), or lose all govt entitlements.
we chose the latter, and moved on.
Thats a true story.
Moral of Story #1: Why not do that now?
Moral of Story #2: dont rely on medical records/my gov/my health etc for your Covid vaccination record which you may need to travel or access govt services in the future. Have the clinic/doc where you get vaccinated print you out verification and store it with your records.
