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LeeToRainesToRoach

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P: "I'm sorry, Mister Soandso, I have some bad news. Your son has had a negative encounter with a shark."

F: "Oh no! How negative?"

P: "Well you'll save money on the funeral."
 
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AngryAnt

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Meanwhile humans are killing 11,000 sharks per hour.


Sharks don't use social media so there are few complaints, except from a few nutty humans who feel the shark threat to humanity is a wee bit exaggerated. I mean, @LeeToRainesToRoach was so desperate to find recent attacks he had to go to Jamaica, Brazil and then back in time 3000 years.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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Sharks don't use social media so there are few complaints, except from a few nutty humans who feel the shark threat to humanity is a wee bit exaggerated.
We only eat a few species in Australia, unlike some other countries where anything that moves is fair game. But nobody eats the ones that eat us.
 

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We only eat a few species in Australia, unlike some other countries where anything that moves is fair game. But nobody eats the ones that eat us.

Wrong. Great Whites are killed for shark fin soup along with millions of other sharks. Also sharks don't care if we kill them for food, or kill them as accidental catches in nets or long-line fishing, or kill them through loss of habitat, loss of prey. They just die, because we are screwing the planet.

Global estimate of Great White populations is down to around 3,500. Globally. Humans did that.

But yes, the 10 confirmed human deaths from sharks in 2020 globally is huge existential threat to humanity.
 
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Wrong. Great Whites are killed for shark fin soup along with millions of other sharks.
They're protected, even in China. If they're being finned then it's like rhino poaching. Illegal.

Their flesh is riddled with uric acid because they don't p!ss. And ciguatera in some parts. Poisonous.
Global estimate of Great White populations is down to around 3,500. Globally. Humans did that.
CSIRO recently estimated the number of whites off the east coast of Australia at 5460, and they range worldwide.
 

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They're protected, even in China. If they're being finned then it's like rhino poaching. Illegal.

Their flesh is riddled with uric acid because they don't p!ss. And ciguatera in some parts. Poisonous.

CSIRO recently estimated the number of whites off the east coast of Australia at 5460, and they range worldwide.

Oh yes, because it's illegal it never happens. And Chinese shark fin ships would never do anything illegal, surely. LOL

Not to mention all the "accidental" through trawling, loss of habitat, etc etc etc. Forgot to deal with those dude? Too hard?

The CSIRO study was from 2016 - interestingly it stated around 750 adult sharks off the south/west and about 1450 adult sharks off the east. The rest are juveniles, most of which won't reach adulthood. I'll give you the 4500 though, makes all the difference in the world, the seas are just teeming with great whites ready to devour all who dare enter.


Better you go back to the argument that that the majority of the 200,000 people who die from drowning globally were dead through secret shark attacks. That gave me a good laugh.
 

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Oh yes, because it's illegal it never happens. And Chinese shark fin ships would never do anything illegal, surely. LOL
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Didn't say it doesn't happen. Didn't say overfishing isn't a problem. But the lefty activists tend to look the other way 'cos China.
Better you go back to the argument that that the majority of the 200,000 people who die from drowning globally were dead through secret shark attacks. That gave me a good laugh.
Show me where I said that.

Come on, stop claiming I've said things that I clearly didn't. It's dishonest.
 
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I haven't followed this thread at all, but if there's any argument about the protection of sharks, then surely it is just an is what it is conclusion. Do we worry about lightening deaths and try and put a stop to lightening? Flooding, earthquakes, volcanoes? Nature will do what it does plain and simple. Let it be. Death is tragic but enevatable. We live in nature and we are mortal. thats just how it is.
 
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So the "illegality" was irrelevant, now it's about lefty activists. These diversionary efforts are incredibly weak.


Here's the wackjob theory from Vic Hislop you quoted earlier in the thread. Yes, you literally claim that there is an attempt to cover up "the extent of the shark problem".

10 confirmed deaths last year. Globally. It's a tiny tiny problem unless you buy into the realm of wacky conspiracy. Do you?

^^ The above is the kind of case that Vic Hislop alleges is ascribed officially to other causes in order to conceal the extent of the shark problem.

GREAT WHITE SHARKS ROAM THE WORLD - HAVE HUMANS JOINED THEIR FOOD CHAIN?

BRISBANE, AUSTRALIA – The worlds greatest shark hunter says swimmers are being devoured by Great White Sharks all over the world because humans are joining the ocean killer’s food chain.

More than one half a million people drown around the world each year. Many of their bodies are not recovered.

Vic Hislop, 60, who has hunted and slain thousands of sharks in his forty year career believes thousands of missing drowning victims actually die of shark attacks.

Many people who drown disappear off Australia's 9000 sandy beaches and he accuses its government of covering up the attacks to protect tourism.

Hislop became world famous in 1985 when he caught the biggest shark recorded, a twenty-one foot, eight inch long Great White weighing over five thousand pounds. The historic photograph of Hislop and his bloodied shark drove thousands of swimmers out of the water.

An expert on shark behavior, Hislop says, “At least a hundred swimmers disappear every year here and their bodies are never found. Many have been eaten. I’ve often caught sharks and removed human hands and feet from their stomachs. I even found a human foot still in its sandal.”

The government of Australia lists Great White Sharks as a protected species and its new laws have effectively put shark hunters like Vic Hislop out of business. Killers of sharks face up to two years in prison and the equivalent of a US $48 thousand dollar fine.

Australian records list 88 tourists from 12 countries drowned in Australia between 1992 and 1997. Thirty-eight of these tourists came from Europe, including 15 from the UK and 10 from Germany; 35 were from Asia including 17 from Japan while 7 were Americans.

Hislop maintains many of the missing did not drown but were devoured by Great Whites and other sharks.

“Every now and then a human washes up bitten in half,” he says. “But the Australian government refuses to tie them to the disappearances. When you add up the numbers it’s not hard to see what’s happening.”

Vic Hislop made a career of hunting down sharks that had become man-eaters, but now that Great White Sharks are protected, he says there is nothing to stop them from feeding on humans.

Hislop explains that from the time they are little sharks spend their entire life looking for other animals in trouble. “They’ll follow the blood scent and vibrations from an injured whale along currents until they find the source and rip the whale apart. That’s how sharks live.”

When people put down shark cages for their thrill-seeking clients some of the burley (blood and cut up fish bait and meat) travels up to 40 kilometers away, say Hislop. “These people would like you to think they are conservationists because they don’t kill sharks – but they are using thousands of edible fish as shark bait.”

He adds, “Sharks pick up the scent, become aroused and are ready to eat by the time they reach the cage containing a human. If the cages were not strongly made, or fell off to the bottom, those stupid people would be goners in seconds. Meanwhile the sharks are not killed after the event. They are simply being trained to hunt humans.”

People do not realize how often big sharks go past them while they are swimming. “There are monsters out there. I’ve caught Great White Sharks over 20 feet long and they have bite marks on them that make them look like babies – the shark that bit them was probably 35 foot long and weighing eight or nine tons.”

In warm areas like Florida thousands of sharks line up along beaches not far from swimmers. They are simply feeding on small fish and not interested in anything else. If somebody swam into those sharks they’d be safe, says the shark hunter. There are 350 species of sharks, but only four are dangerous: the Great White, Hammer Head, Tiger and Bull shark.

In 1937 the Australian government set out its first shark nets along the coasts after fatal shark attacks rose to record numbers in the 1920’s and 1930’s.

In the past 40 years there has only been one officially recorded fatal shark attack at the 134 beaches protected by shark nets. Yet there have been 15 deaths in South Australia, 12 in Western Australia, and 7 in Victoria — all states that lack shark nets along their beaches.

“But it’s just a false sense of security for tourism,” says Hislop. “The nets are way out and they don’t even go all the way to the bottom. And they’re staggered, you might have two kilometers of beach where people swim and the net will only be 150 meters long.”

Hislop claims that the nets are also full of holes. “Every two weeks government repair boats pull the nets in with holes in them that you could drive a train through. Those holes are made by Great Whites that have learned to feed off dolphins and sting-rays trapped in the nets.” Dangerous sharks may actually be attracted closer to swimmers by the very nets meant to keep sharks away.

Sharks are near most ocean access countries. Hislop says big sharks swim in cold waters off New York all the time and also on the northwest coast of America. They travel about 40 miles each day and are in most oceans of the world, preferring cold water.

He says the movie Jaws is supposed to have resulted in thousands of sharks being killed “but that is not true. The author of Jaws must have done a lot of research. Because that is how sharks work.

“The only thing that saves people from being attacked is what I call Shark hesitation. We are not natural to sharks – we are still foreign at this stage. But once they attack people in cages their hesitation is gone. They are using thousands of sharks now world-wide to do this.”

He explains, “They are putting chain-mail armored tourists down in big pools filled with sharks. That’s all right because those sharks are prisoners. But if they are ever set free they will become a menace.”

Sharks are perfect killers. They grab, rip and then swim in a big circle and wait for their prey to bleed out. They tear baby dolphins off their mothers and eat them while they are being born.

Even a dead shark can be dangerous. “If you put your hand in their mouth or touch their throat they can still snap. It’s a nerve reaction. Their brain is only as big as one half of one of their eyes. They don’t have a nervous system as we know it. Everything they do is by instinct.”

In recent years people have been attacked in front of dozens of witnesses. “It’s highly unusual,” said John West, curator of the Australian Shark Attack File. “I can’t recall anything like this ever happening before.”

Hislop blames killer sharks coming inshore on commercial fishing. “We’ve thinned out fish all over the world using nets. When fishermen take in 5000 tuna they are seriously depleting the ocean of shark food."

Hislop blames commercial film makers in Australia with teaching sharks to eat humans. He says commercial film-makers have tried for years to get footage of Great White Sharks by filling wet suits full of fish and nailing them to surf-boards so sharks would attack them on camera.. They also film Great Whites trying to get at people in shark cages”

“These people should be in jail, make no mistake,” says Hislop. “They are training sharks to eat people.”

There is a growing crusade around the world to protect sharks. One advocate is University of Miami Marine Biology Professor Dr. Samuel Gruber who says, “For every fatal human shark attack one million sharks world-wide die in the following hysteria.”

Hislop says, "In Florida, until they stopped it, they took people down to feed sharks just for thrills. Now those big sharks are waiting, expecting people to feed them.

"You feed them out on a reef and then one day you go out with your kids to do some spear fishing or take photos and those sharks show up expecting to get fed. Its shark and human interaction that we don’t need."

Hislop claims the sharks have been protected for all the wrong reasons. “Dolphins, sea turtles and millions of creatures out there that we love need our protection. But Great White Sharks need no protection. They are at the top of the food chain. They can live to be one hundred years old and eat a few dolphins and sea turtles every week. “If a conservationist killed just one Great White Shark and then retired, he would do more good for dolphins and sea turtles than he could have done in his entire career.”

The shark hunter says there is so much fear about sharks that the few people who survive attacks try to act brave when they are interviewed. “They will say they faced the shark and punched it in the eye making it retreat.

“Don’t ever believe you can defend yourself in a shark attack. When a shark grabs you its force and power is out of this world. Your body shuts down. It’s like a bull dozer running over you.

“You punch a shark in the head and your bones will be showing on your knuckles. That is how rough the shark’s skin is – it’s the roughest sand-paper anyone has ever seen.”

He admits, “It’s true big sharks have only one vulnerable spot – their eye. But they have a big thick nictitating membrane that covers it. Call it a third eyelid. That membrane is tougher than their skin and a person could not even stick a knife in it.”

The shark hunter says there is a pattern in Australia to cover up shark attacks.

“After a shark attack a squad goes to victims’ families before they talk to the news media. They say you need counseling because you’ve just seen your husband killed by a shark. They brain wash you in your weak moment. They say your husband died a hero and would not want his death to cause the wiping out of this endangered species.

“And those people go on TV and say that it wasn’t the sharks fault, my husband wouldn’t blame the shark,” says Hislop. “You ask the husband while the shark’s got a hold of him around the waist taking his life away and you’d see what he says about the shark!”

And what about the families whose loved ones are never seen again?

”It’s very hard. For them there is no closure. No body is ever found. They are doing it all wrong. Shark Hunters should be on the scene immediately,” says Hislop.

“I was called into Hong Kong,” he recalls. “Every year the same shark would kill a few people at one beach one day, then the next day he’d take a few at the next beach, then the next beach.

"The same shark killed 23 people in one year until it vanished into the waters off mainland China. We never caught him. He's still out there somewhere.

“Once a shark has tasted humans he will attack over and over again. A shark has a very small brain but he never forgets."

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/foru...m4n64cur4g&topic=271681.msg8282891#msg8282891
 

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I haven't followed this thread at all, but if there's any argument about the protection of sharks, then surely it is just an is what it is conclusion. Do we worry about lightening deaths and try and put a stop to lightening? Flooding, earthquakes, volcanoes? Nature will do what it does plain and simple. Let it be. Death is tragic but enevatable. We live in nature and we are mortal. thats just how it is.

On the scale of things more people are killed by pets in Australia each year. Or insect bites. But the media and those who are into this kind of stuff generate the mythology that sharks are incredibly dangerous predators that are regularly preying on humans. They aren't. We need to protect sharks and their habitats, instead of demonising them on incredibly flimsy evidence.
 

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So the "illegality" was irrelevant, now it's about lefty activists. These diversionary efforts are incredibly weak.


Here's the wackjob theory from Vic Hislop you quoted earlier in the thread. Yes, you literally claim that there is an attempt to cover up "the extent of the shark problem".

10 confirmed deaths last year. Globally. It's a tiny tiny problem unless you buy into the realm of wacky conspiracy. Do you?
I posted the theory after a family claimed that the recent victim in SA wasn't killed by a shark. That doesn't mean I subscribe to it. Vic Hislop's views are extreme, but some of them give pause for thought.

Beats me why you choose to be such a *smile* of a poster. You've only been off Ignore for a few hours. Back you go.
 
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Tell you what, I'll put this thread on ignore so I won't have to read your anti-shark stuff and you can post away to your heart's content.
 

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Surfer attacked by great white shark at world-famous wave

A surfer has been bumped off his sled and hit by a Great White shark at Jeffreys Bay, six years and four days after Mick Fanning was almost mauled by a White during the final of the J-Bay Pro in 2015.

The surfer, who is forty and from Cape Town, was helped from the water by other surfers around seven am.

He’s in a stable condition, wild puncture wounds to leg and body, as y’can see from the photo, and is currently in surgery.

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“What you may be looking at is a very lucky lad a few hours back at JBay’s ‘Point’ having survived a mauling,” Derek Hynd, surfing’s greatest influencer and J-Bay habitué, wrote on Facebook. “I don’t have his name at this stage or details of the encounter but the poor chap apparently suffered three nips. Another timely reminder to never take any surf, good bad or indifferent at many a Southern Hemisphere location for granted… deepest hopes for a full recover and many a memorable wave soon enough.”

Witnesses said the shark bumped the surfer then came back for the hit.
 
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Jeese Lee, got any amputation shots you can post? Needed a graphic content warning.
(Or is that an enlargement of Dustys kidney?)
That one’s not too bad, just a few teeth indentations. Quite a positive encounter, really. You can imagine what a mouth that size would’ve done it if got proper purchase.