Remember when we drafted Cleve Hughes at 24 and Jayden Post at 26 because we needed talls? It didn't help.
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2021 Draft Thread
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I hear you DA, and we need to keep bringing talls in,
but look at any spine in the VFL and youlle be pretty underwhelmed.
But yeah, the next CHF sensation would be good at 15.
further, I'll happily fall off a cliff when Dusty has 4 norm smiths. I'll sing tiger land on the way down, like wily coyote, even though he is mute.
But none of them in the same draft as Post and Hughes. Which is my point.
It seemed like u were suggesting we don't draft key position players this year and in particular Gibcus.
A strategy that would doom our club ultimately
Another couple of points if I may, DA. Gibcus is high on draft boards precisely because there are so few quality talls available this year.
And Selwood, Cyril and our own Jack Graham played significant roles in premierships in their first years. Sidebottom and Beams did in their second, and Sidey was drafted as a 17-year-old so he was the same age as any draftee we'll have next year.
I could see say Hobbs and Sonsie making an impact for us next year and well into the future.
Then we lose a few big contracts and add Darcy Moore as a free agent.
DA I reckon if you name me our mids at VFL level I'll also be able to show you a bare cupboard. On what they have shown, we need better quality than RCD, Ross Dow and Martyn.
Dusty, Cotch, Jack, Sheds and Lambo are over 30. Lynchy and Prestia pushing 30. Cotch, Jack and Sheds should retire at the end of 22. Reckon the retirements of Cotch and Edwards will leave a significant hole....moreso than the retirement of Jack. Go hard on mids at the draft this yr and talls in 2022.
I would also be looking at good quality talls at other clubs that we can poach. Clear precedent (Lever, May, Lynchy etc) we should continue to follow.
Sorry Bully, don't see a bit of Bont in Goater besides the body size. The Bont highlights below are silk I don't see that all in Goater. I have major question marks on his kicking. He reminds me of RCD if anyone but a less polished version. Not someone I want with the first two picks.
I didn't even mention Gibcus.
Not drafting any talls this year will not doom our club. I'm not saying don't draft them if they're good enough, I'm saying don't reach for blokes who aren't. I've already said I'd consider Jack Williams strongly at 26. And I'm saying next year's crop of talls is better. If Lemmey was in this draft even at 17 he'd go early. But he's not. This year is deep for mids. Fish where the fish are. If Andrew or Gibcus falls to 15, different story.
Do we need to revisit past drafts to witness our failures with midfield picks too? Picked plenty of midfielders in the same draft year who were bad choices.
I won’t argue anymore.
But I’ll take Gibcus with my first and pin him being the next Jeremy McGove/Dylan Grimes. With pick 9 every day of the week
But what if he's gone?
And yeah, we failed with mids. Like when we thought we had enough talls and needed mids and reached for Conca when we should have drafted Lynch.
If he’s gone, he’s gone.
But you’re suggesting we bypass him because we need midfielders.
And please don’t suggest we picked Conca because we thought we had enough talls. That’s plain ridiculous.
We will go best available anyway so who cares what we think.
But recruiting Tarrant tells me they at least understand where our deficiencies lie.
It's actually not ridiculous to suggest we thought we had enough talls when we drafted Conca. In the previous four drafts we'd added Jack, Rance, Vickery, Griffens, Grimes and Astbury and all looked promising or better.
I'm suggesting you draft for talent, trade/FA for need. If Gibcus is there at our pick and he's the best talent available, go for it. But you can usually find good key defenders a bit later than pick 9.
Grimes and Tarrant will be our key defenders next year if they plan on running Balta as the 2nd Ruck until Soldo is ready. Both 30+
Our key defender depth after them is Garth (who will be delisted), Biggy (who remains uncontracted) and Miller who has got 1 game in 3 years and still looks a mile off.
I agree with you that if Gibcus is still on the Board at 9 its a no brainer.
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Listening to Balmey talking this morning there is no way we are looking at any of these Hawthorn players or anyone else.
Link is on the website now
Link is on the website now
I reckon his kicking is better than those highlights suggest, at times he can looked rushed but to be playing in a rebound role you have to have some basic skill, he's much more refined than Danger & Fyfe if we're looking at similar types, he can play in multiple positions and he has athletic traits that could see him develop into a weapon.
As for the Bont comparisons, he has the burst, he has the lateral movement, he has an attacking flare and he has good numbers when it comes to finding the ball, better than Bont although Bont spent a fair bit of time on the wing.
You might be able to convince me to take Sonsie ahead of Goater but I'm not so sure about DVR & Wanganeen-Milera.
Yep its been a consistent message from both Balme and Hartley today that we don't have the TPP room. If its real then clearly some guys are getting overs and if its a convenient excuse then we're keeping our powder dry for someone next year - Ben King hopefully.
Round 11 TAC Notes
Josh Goater Shifting from midfield to half-back, Goater was simply superb in a game which fully showcased his rare versatility. His clean hands have been evident within his midfield craft, but Goater transferred that same skill to be a reliable intercept marker in the backline. When in possession, he used the ball typically well by foot with precision passes and hardly wasted a touch. In motion, Goater leant on his athleticism with eye-catching turns of speed to weave through traffic and spark rebounding chains. He worked well with others too, starting one-two passages to move the ball down the field in style. The draft eligible talent did it all and was near-untouchable at times.
Josh Goater Shifting from midfield to half-back, Goater was simply superb in a game which fully showcased his rare versatility. His clean hands have been evident within his midfield craft, but Goater transferred that same skill to be a reliable intercept marker in the backline. When in possession, he used the ball typically well by foot with precision passes and hardly wasted a touch. In motion, Goater leant on his athleticism with eye-catching turns of speed to weave through traffic and spark rebounding chains. He worked well with others too, starting one-two passages to move the ball down the field in style. The draft eligible talent did it all and was near-untouchable at times.
