Talking Politics

[bengal tigers]

Q: How can you tell someone is a cooker?

A: Anyone who uses the phrase "Dictator Dan."

Saw some interesting views on twitter yesterday. Samantha Maiden posted something about the “Dan Factor” and how the Liberals ignorantly thought it would work in their favour. Some of the responses were interesting.

It was generally accepted that the Liberals were drinking the cool aid of Sky News, Herald Sun and FreeDumb fighter cookers. Also, while the amount of “Dictator Dan" critics are small in number, they are vocal, and the hate is real and fierce.

Lets see how Andrews goes at the state election,last election he had china's money to splurge on all his promises.
He has a 160billion debt ,yet wants to continue spending billions more .
The difference between Macgowan and Andrews will be most people in victoria will be over the Stockholm syndrome

I will say this ,the first year of lock downs was probably needed ,but the second year was overkill ,and become heavy handed ,l wonder how much minor parties support he will get .

 

[Baloo]

Lets see how Andrews goes at the state election,last election he had china's money to splurge on all his promises.
He has a 160billion debt ,yet wants to continue spending billions more .
The difference between Macgowan and Andrews will be most people in victoria will be over the Stockholm syndrome

I will say this ,the first year of lock downs was probably needed ,but the second year was overkill ,and become heavy handed ,l wonder how much minor parties support he will get .

Vic state election is this November right? Fair to say the ALP will romp it in again. The state Libs are useless, the sniping from the federal government has stopped and most sane people have seen through Murdoch's news bias for what it is.

 

[spook]

Outside of winning Richmond flag bets in recent years, monetising the Kooyong and Goldstein results are easily the highlights of my multi-decade punting life.

Plus Wentworth and Bennelong here!

 

[bengal tigers]

Vic state election is this November right? Fair to say the ALP will romp it in again. The state Libs are useless, the sniping from the federal government has stopped and most sane people have seen through Murdoch's news bias for what it is.

The state election is different to the federal election ,l wonder how the whole country would of reacted if they where part of the worlds most lock downs .
I didn't see hundred of thousands of people protesting in other states .

How many businesses closed or went broke because of the constant lock downs ,this was not done by the federal government,this was done by the Andrews government .

Lets get one thing straight ,Labor won the federal election through preferences ,Andrews won't have the climate argument to back him up,in fact l wouldn't be surprised to see the minor parties turn on him.

 

[Baloo]

The state election is different to the federal election ,l wonder how the whole country would of reacted if they where part of the worlds most lock downs .
I didn't see hundred of thousands of people protesting in other states .

I didn't see hundred of thousands protesting in Victoria. Unless of course you use Trump Inauguration counting techniques.

How many businesses closed or went broke because of the constant lock downs ,this was not done by the federal government, this was done by the Andrews government .

Because the Federal Government failed the country by not getting enough vaccinations despite being offered a deal by Pfizer early on.

Lets get one thing straight ,Labor won the federal election through preferences ,Andrews won't have the climate argument to back him up,in fact l wouldn't be surprised to see the minor parties turn on him.

Pretty sure every government in Australia's history has won through preferences. Really not sure what this new argument that Sky After Dark keeping using means. Is it trying to hide the fact that the Libs lost 15 or more seats? That the population of Australia were so sick and tired of the LNP that they destroyed them in the election? That the LNP were so *smile* as a government that even their safest traditional seats turned against them?

 

[BT Tiger]

How many businesses closed or went broke because of the constant lock downs ,this was not done by the federal government,this was done by the Andrews government .

No, Victorias lockdowns were caused by a global pandemic. Most Victorians understand that Andrews had to take drastic steps to protect our society. Its just a rabid, fringe and very vocal minority who refused to believe this, and who crap on about Victorians suffering from Stockholm syndrome as the only explanation for Andrews' popularity. Which of course is complete garbage.

And Andrews will win in November because most people recognise hes been a strong leader in a time of crisis, and that the Libs are a hopelessly dysfunctional rabble.

 

[bengal tigers]

I didn't see hundred of thousands protesting in Victoria. Unless of course you use Trump Inauguration counting techniques.


Because the Federal Government failed the country by not getting enough vaccinations despite being offered a deal by Pfizer early on.

Pretty sure every government in Australia's history has won through preferences. Really not sure what this new argument that Sky After Dark keeping using means. Is it trying to hide the fact that the Libs lost 15 or more seats? That the population of Australia were so sick and tired of the LNP that they destroyed them in the election? That the LNP were so *smile* as a government that even their safest traditional seats turned against them?

You must of been at Dan Murphys during the protests or you don't live in Victoria ,Hundreds of thousands protested .look it up.
The federal government didn't fail ,the first vaccine to come out which had a effect against the virus was Astrazeneca ,the government invested in that ,if he hadn't there would of outcries ,it was a bit dammed if you don't dammed if you do.
As for not getting enough supplies,it was a world wide pandemic ,every country wanted supplies.

 

[Baloo]

You must of been at Dan Murphys during the protests or you don't live in Victoria ,Hundreds of thousands protested .look it up.
The federal government didn't fail ,the first vaccine to come out which had a effect against the virus was Astrazeneca ,the government invested in that ,if he hadn't there would of outcries ,it was a bit dammed if you don't dammed if you do.
As for not getting enough supplies,it was a world wide pandemic ,every country wanted supplies.

Yeah ok.

 

[eZyT]

Im curious to see how Albo handles it ,now that Biden has said he would defend Taiwan against a chinese invasion .

agree. pretty full on, and weird thing to say,

given Putin has a white card.

Id love to see Albo say something like 'I can't imagine any measure by which it would be in Australia's interest to get involved in a war with China in Taiwan'

 

[bengal tigers]

No, Victorias lockdowns were caused by a global pandemic. Most Victorians understand that Andrews had to take drastic steps to protect our society. Its just a rabid, fringe and very vocal minority who refused to believe this, and who crap on about Victorians suffering from Stockholm syndrome as the only explanation for Andrews' popularity. Which of course is complete garbage.

And Andrews will win in November because most people recognise hes been a strong leader in a time of crisis, and that the Libs are a hopelessly dysfunctional rabble.

The first year of lock downs was probably fair enough, until we got a better understanding of the problem ,second year no .
Im not anti vaccine ,but when you can't go into any shop except supermarkets without a tick,you start taking away peoples rights.

I think a mandatory wearing of masks in the second year would of been enough,we are living with it now .

 

[eZyT]

The first year of lock downs was probably fair enough, until we got a better understanding of the problem ,second year no .
Im not anti vaccine ,but when you can't go into any shop except supermarkets without a tick,you start taking away peoples rights.

I think a mandatory wearing of masks in the second year would of been enough,we are living with it now .

I agreed with most hard public health measures in realtime (old border closure drove me nuts - but self-interest drove that)

but with the benefit of hindsight,

they seemed too hard. absurd even, late in the piece.

but seeming too soft in hindsight would surely have been worse?

and I understand policy and a public service cant pivot on a dime.

 

[Sintiger]

Vic state election is this November right? Fair to say the ALP will romp it in again. The state Libs are useless, the sniping from the federal government has stopped and most sane people have seen through Murdoch's news bias for what it is.

I think the “Dictator Dan” group might cost a seat here and there but it won’t be a major factor.
The bigger issue to me is that we are going to have 6 months of pressure put on by the state opposition on the “health crisis” on the basis that they will be saying it is the Andrews government’s fault. The reality is that the health system has always worked to its capacity with very little margin for error under both parties. COVID pushed it over the edge.
My concern is that the Labor Govt will do stupid things to meet a political priority when what is actually needed is long term health planning with state governments and the feds all in the room.
On top of that the Libs have a shadow health minister who doesn’t understand the health system in Georgie Crozier. To be fair Martin Foley isn’t that much better.
This is going to be a health and debt election imo.

 

[TigerForce]

Lets see how Andrews goes at the state election,last election he had china's money to splurge on all his promises.
He has a 160billion debt ,yet wants to continue spending billions more .
The difference between Macgowan and Andrews will be most people in victoria will be over the Stockholm syndrome

I will say this ,the first year of lock downs was probably needed ,but the second year was overkill ,and become heavy handed ,l wonder how much minor parties support he will get .

Agree about 2020 needed and 2021 as overkill, but maybe this year with everything mostly back to normal, he would have time for back-flippers to cool down and vote for him again. I've read and heard some Labor voters applauding him through 2020 but turn on him through last year especially small business owners. The Libs in this state have been terribly soft and weak since Kennett.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Albo's rapid fire appearance at the Quad seemed geninely well received by the other leaders including Biden. Off to a solid start.

 

[BT Tiger]

The first year of lock downs was probably fair enough, until we got a better understanding of the problem ,second year no .
Im not anti vaccine ,but when you can't go into any shop except supermarkets without a tick,you start taking away peoples rights.

I think a mandatory wearing of masks in the second year would of been enough,we are living with it now .

If we had more vaccines earlier we would avoided lockdown number 6 from June/July onwards in VIC. Instead when we finally got a supply of Pfizer it was prioritised in NSW above VIC, despite NSW bungling their gold standard hotel quarantine and telling the rest of the country to suck it up and learn to live with it.

People were already wearing masks in VIC and it didn't stop the numbers from increasing.

I don't think anyone who got vaccinated gave two hoots about unvaccinated peeps being barred from retail and hospitality. That was their problem.

 

[Ian4]

Lets see how Andrews goes at the state election,last election he had china's money to splurge on all his promises.
He has a 160billion debt ,yet wants to continue spending billions more .
The difference between Macgowan and Andrews will be most people in victoria will be over the Stockholm syndrome

I will say this ,the first year of lock downs was probably needed ,but the second year was overkill ,and become heavy handed ,l wonder how much minor parties support he will get .

China's money? You mean the belt and road that Morrison took away as a political stunt? You do know Andrews would not have needed to look at alternative ways to fund infrastructure if the Morrison government handed Victoria its fair share of funding?

You like to talk about Victoria’s debt, but not the almost $1 trillion debt accumulated by the former government with nothing to show for. Not only does Victoria have a lot to show for its debt, but they actually have a plan to service it. Morrison and Frydenberg never did.

The whole “Stockholm Syndrome” thing is another phrase perpetuated by sky news that the Liberals fell for. More drinking of the cool aid.

As for the second year of lockdowns… you know who’s to blame for that, right? Or do I need to spell it out?

The state election is different to the federal election ,l wonder how the whole country would of reacted if they where part of the worlds most lock downs .
I didn't see hundred of thousands of people protesting in other states .

How many businesses closed or went broke because of the constant lock downs ,this was not done by the federal government,this was done by the Andrews government .

Lets get one thing straight ,Labor won the federal election through preferences ,Andrews won't have the climate argument to back him up,in fact l wouldn't be surprised to see the minor parties turn on him.

Holy crap, is this guy legit?

Maybe read back on my post yesterday about how state and federal issues are intertwined this election campaign. The Andrews factor helped Labor in Victoria. If the swing to Labor in Victoria is repeated in November, the Labor will win seats such as Kew, Brighton and Matthew Guy’s seat of Bulleen. If you think the state election will be anything other than another massive landslide for Andrews, well then you’re in for a massive shock.

Hundreds of thousands protesting?

I remember the day the FreeDumb cookers claimed 500,000 attended a protest. Experts measured the region of the protest and estimated the crowd was 33,000 on a basis of 5 people per square metre. 5 people per square metre is like a moshpit at a concert and realistically it would have been 0.5-1 people per square metre. So you have to divide 33,000 by at least 5, but more likely 6 or 7.

 

[mrposhman]

The state election is different to the federal election ,l wonder how the whole country would of reacted if they where part of the worlds most lock downs .
I didn't see hundred of thousands of people protesting in other states .

How many businesses closed or went broke because of the constant lock downs ,this was not done by the federal government,this was done by the Andrews government .

Lets get one thing straight ,Labor won the federal election through preferences ,Andrews won't have the climate argument to back him up,in fact l wouldn't be surprised to see the minor parties turn on him.

I'll assume you haven't been overseas since the pandemic has happened? The impact on businesses particularly small was far more profound than it was seen here and that was due to the approach by both the feds and the state governments. Unfortunately in a pandemic, businesses that were already struggling would have gone under, a lot of that would be due to their business models not being able to absorb market force impacts. The major thing that the Feds did right was JobKeeper and this allowed state governments to lock down to save lives.

The Libs in Victoria are a basket case by the way. Andrews may lose a few seats to the Independents but he will not lose his government.

As for your last point, I have stated this but contrary to how some others have taken it, it wasn't a dig at the ALP. Preferences have always been there, my comments around the preference vote weren't really around a reduction (as that really hasn't been), but why voters are being attracted to Independents over the ALP, and I think a lot of this was around the environment. This can easily be rectified with an increase to the ALP's 43% target.

 

[IanG]

LNP hopelessly out of touch:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1528911630247284737

 

[Ian4]

LNP hopelessly out of touch:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1528911630247284737

Tudge also blamed Andrews for the LIberals losing.

 

[bengal tigers]

China's money? You mean the belt and road that Morrison took away as a political stunt? You do know Andrews would not have needed to look at alternative ways to fund infrastructure if the Morrison government handed Victoria its fair share of funding?

You like to talk about Victoria’s debt, but not the almost $1 trillion debt accumulated by the former government with nothing to show for. Not only does Victoria have a lot to show for its debt, but they actually have a plan to service it. Morrison and Frydenberg never did.

The whole “Stockholm Syndrome” thing is another phrase perpetuated by sky news that the Liberals fell for. More drinking of the cool aid.

As for the second year of lockdowns… you know who’s to blame for that, right? Or do I need to spell it out?

Mate have you been sleeping in a cave ,Andrews has done *smile* for country victoria ,lot's of band aids while he happily spends tax payer;s money on his billion dollar projects ,which most by the way go billions over budget .
Why the hell would the federal government give him more money to waste away ,it's time for Andrews to get his head out of the clouds ,and start getting his priorities right .
Instead of spending billions on road projects which only benefit the city ,how about spending billions on building more hospitals ,and upgrading facilities in regional and rural hospitals ,and getting more mental health facilities across victoria , and fixing roads in the country area would also be a area to invest in.

As for China,Victoria receives around 40 percent of chinese investment in Australia .
The other thing is,l don't hear other states complaining about what they get from the feds ,it might be time for Andrews to take a breath of air .
Under Andrews Victoria has become the highest taxed state in Australia .

As for Albo helping him out ,he might give him a few pre election gifts ,but he will have his own problems trying to work out ,how is he going to bring in those extra taxes once they start closing down the coal industry ,oh yes they can always sell off the coal to those countries that need it ,and help build our wind farms,and solar panels ,and of course our clean running electric cars .