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mrposhman

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This is a couple of months old but worth revisiting ..... watch the entire thing or pick it up around the 1.30minute mark from Trumps Arizona backed Gov nominee. Has some interesting stuff to say about our gun laws.



Bizarre. I'm so ashamed that here in Australia that we don't have freedoms to be able to stand up to our government and we cannot change them when they don't do what the people want.

Its also a massive shame that in Australia that we don't have the freedom to go to school and get murdered, or go to the supermarket and get murdered, or go to a concert and get murdered. I'm really ashamed that we don't have these freedoms.
 
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mrposhman

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Ted Cruz's response. What a moron. So "from past experience" armed law enforcement is the solution. I'm sure then he has the stats on hand to show how many people entered a school with a weapon and were either killed onsite or arrested before firing a shot? I've never seen this, I'm guessing because it doesn't exist. There are something like 135,000 schools in the US. 1 armed guard would cost maybe $30-40k per year, so the solution of the republicans is to spend between $4bn and $5.5bn to arm schools (of which as I mentioned if shooters knew there was an armed guard, you'd probably kill them 1st, then do what you came to do, so how many do you need per school, 2, 3, 4, 5? who knows) rather than acknowledge that they need to restrict gun supply and address mental health.

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Texas Senator Ted Cruz described the Uvalde shooting as "truly horrific", but said gun reforms were not the way to prevent such crimes.

Speaking to reporters, he said that restricting the rights of "law-abiding citizens... doesn't work. It's not effective. It doesn't prevent crime."

He said "going after felons" is what prevents such crimes and he criticised other politicians for trying to "advance their own political agenda" by calling for gun control.

He added that from past experience, armed law enforcement on campus is the most effective way of keeping children safe.

"We don't know the details of what happened at Robb Elementary School, but there will be a lot of time to examine what steps could have been taken proactively to enhance the safety and security of the school right now," he said."
 
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mrposhman

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This is a couple of months old but worth revisiting ..... watch the entire thing or pick it up around the 1.30minute mark from Trumps Arizona backed Gov nominee. Has some interesting stuff to say about our gun laws.



Oh I wish we could realise the freedoms that guns provide. Those freedoms like they have in countries like Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iraq etc. Why can't we be like them, instead of our oppressive regime here in Australia.

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TigerForce

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Isn't there a thread for these lunatic Yank shootings?

Same old, same old in that country. I always think of my little nephews and nieces still at school when this happens.
 

AngryAnt

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The whole 2nd Amendment basis for an individual’s right to keep and bear arms in the USA is so farcical its little wonder so many people around the world consider Americans backward and stupid. I don’t necessarily subscribe to that thought, but geepers, you can understand why so many people do. It’s an absurd mandate.

The basis for its development was off the back of a geographically small fought war in the corner of the USA 250 years ago (!!) and the ability for a citizen to protect and defend themselves from the British – something in itself is absolute bs anyway because almost all of the fighting against the British was done by paid and armed military and overseas mercenaries. Not Joe Blow’s, farmers etc. That’s a complete myth. Americans just love the defiant "feel good" story to it all though and won't give it up.

And this reference to having the right to defend America’s freedom and liberty ? Hah hah….what so the trillions and trillions spent on national defence and being the most heavily armed nation on earth isn’t worth jack ? Individuals still need to be able to carry a firearm in case the Chines invade do they ? I'd suggest you're done and dusted if Fiddy Cent is firing his Glock from the balcony of his Bel-Air apartment at some Chinese soldier down on Sunset Boulevard.

And then finally, the argument that a citizen has the right to protect themselves from others, well that’s what you pay your local governments MORE trillions and trillions to do – including law and order and enforcement of it – something, ironically, I’m sure would be much easier to apply if there wasn’t this open ended, personal arms, free for all.

It’s embarrassing and sad for America. I often wonder if other world leaders ever bring it up much with them.

Yep... and the right to gun ownership was always caveated on the "well-regulated militias" part..
 

spook

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Ted Cruz is one of the worst people in the world. Spineless, shameless, gutless, brainless, morality-free zone. Absolute hollowman.
 
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Baloo

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Oh I wish we could realise the freedoms that guns provide. Those freedoms like they have in countries like Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iraq etc. Why can't we be like them, instead of our oppressive regime here in Australia.

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Switzerland and Finland are countries with national service where you bring your military rifle home with you. A couple of other countries on that list might be the same.
 

bengal tigers

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What tax do the coal mines pay?
Looking through a website last night to get a better understanding of the system ,it seems a lot of the fossil fuel industry pay little or no tax.
In saying all that,the subsidies the coal industry gets is mainly fuel tax,l guess thats because of all the vehicles needed ,and some being in remoter areas .

How the tax on coal seems to work ,is the states that the mines are located, get royalties on sales be that to the local energy providers or export, lm not sure on the percentage ,the feds l suspect get gst tax on all sales.
Then l guess all states in Australia have agreements with energy providers about tax and licensing ,and the feds get gst off our power bills .
 
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bengal tigers

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Imagine all the subsidies they won't have to pay to the mining companies
Imagine all the centrelink payments to all the thousands of workers who can't get jobs .
Once wind farms are constructed ,they don't need a large work force to maintain,same for solar .
Renewable energy is great and is the future,but we can't rush it,it has to be gradual .

This could be controversial ,but Australia has nearly a third of the worlds uranium ,how about a nuclear power plant ,there 440 of them world wide ,they are clean emissions ,provide constant power ,something wind farms and solar don't.
I guess the waste product is a sticking point .
 
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TT33

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Imagine all the centrelink payments to all the thousands of workers who can't get jobs .
Once wind farms are constructed ,they don't need a large work force to maintain,same for solar .
Renewable energy is great and is the future,but we can't rush it,it has to be gradual .

This could be controversial ,but Australia has nearly a third of the worlds uranium ,how about a nuclear power plant ,there 440 of them world wide ,they are clean emissions ,provide constant power ,something wind farms and solar don't.
I guess the waste product is a sticking point .

Wind farms need constant maintenance & there'll be a lot of them. Solar the same.
The change can't & won't happen overnight, but must happen.
 

mrposhman

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Imagine all the centrelink payments to all the thousands of workers who can't get jobs .
Once wind farms are constructed ,they don't need a large work force to maintain,same for solar .
Renewable energy is great and is the future,but we can't rush it,it has to be gradual .

This could be controversial ,but Australia has nearly a third of the worlds uranium ,how about a nuclear power plant ,there 440 of them world wide ,they are clean emissions ,provide constant power ,something wind farms and solar don't.
I guess the waste product is a sticking point .

How many people are employed by the coal industry? Both in terms of power and mining?

No one is saying that areas that are focused on these things will not find other jobs. There are ways to move towards this, take coal mines, Andrew Forrest has already started on this in the US. He has acquired a coal mine in the US and will convert it into a green hydrogen manufacturing plant and he wants to use the coal mining staff to do so via retraining. This sort of stuff is entirely achievable.

On wind / solar, yes you are right that they do not provide constant power, but there are significant changes that will occur IMO over the next 50 years regarding power distribution. In Australia for example, the national grid will become way too expensive, you simply cannot pay for the upgrade of transmission lines to make this worthwhile. We will do it this time, as we do not have a way out of it, but IMO over the next 50 years we will move away from a nationalised grid structure and move towards more local grids, but also more production at the premises. Its why I believe rooftop solar to be the most important element of our power grid. Reduce the required consumption from the grid, and you need to generate less centralised power and you need to transmit less also. BTW, batteries are the way forward for "in dark consumption".

Just on what you will bring up next is "what about the GST earnt by the government on electricity supply". Well if people need to spend less on their electricity, then they will naturally create more disposable income, that will then be spent on other GSTable products. The GST will not drop, it will just be generated from a different source.
 
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bengal tigers

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Wind farms need constant maintenance & there'll be a lot of them. Solar the same.
The change can't & won't happen overnight, but must happen.
This is from wind energy website..

After commissioning, the wind farm will be handed over to the operations and maintenance crew. A typical crew will consist of two people for every 20 to 30 wind turbines in a wind farm. For smaller wind farms there may not be a dedicated O&M crew but arrangements will be made for regular visits from a regional team. Typical routine maintenance time for a modern wind turbine is 40 hours per year. Non-routine maintenance may be of a similar order.
 

TT33

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This is from wind energy website..

After commissioning, the wind farm will be handed over to the operations and maintenance crew. A typical crew will consist of two people for every 20 to 30 wind turbines in a wind farm. For smaller wind farms there may not be a dedicated O&M crew but arrangements will be made for regular visits from a regional team. Typical routine maintenance time for a modern wind turbine is 40 hours per year. Non-routine maintenance may be of a similar order.


I know someone who does this work. He's always very busy on them.
 
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bengal tigers

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How many people are employed by the coal industry? Both in terms of power and mining?

No one is saying that areas that are focused on these things will not find other jobs. There are ways to move towards this, take coal mines, Andrew Forrest has already started on this in the US. He has acquired a coal mine in the US and will convert it into a green hydrogen manufacturing plant and he wants to use the coal mining staff to do so via retraining. This sort of stuff is entirely achievable.

On wind / solar, yes you are right that they do not provide constant power, but there are significant changes that will occur IMO over the next 50 years regarding power distribution. In Australia for example, the national grid will become way too expensive, you simply cannot pay for the upgrade of transmission lines to make this worthwhile. We will do it this time, as we do not have a way out of it, but IMO over the next 50 years we will move away from a nationalised grid structure and move towards more local grids, but also more production at the premises. Its why I believe rooftop solar to be the most important element of our power grid. Reduce the required consumption from the grid, and you need to generate less centralised power and you need to transmit less also. BTW, batteries are the way forward for "in dark consumption".

Just on what you will bring up next is "what about the GST earnt by the government on electricity supply". Well if people need to spend less on their electricity, then they will naturally create more disposable income, that will then be spent on other GSTable products. The GST will not drop, it will just be generated from a different source.
Excellent post ,(y).
 

bengal tigers

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I know someone who does this work. He's always very busy on them.
Maybe those ones are made in china :LOL:

Seriously though ,l think they are starting to train more people to work in the wind energy sector.
About 15 minutes from were l live is suppose to be the biggest wind farm in the southern hemisphere ,at it's peak it can provide energy to 770k homes,,it should be operational soon .
 
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TT33

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Maybe those ones are made in china :LOL:

Seriously though ,l think they are starting to train more people to work in the wind energy sector.
About 15 minutes from were l live is suppose to be the biggest wind farm in the southern hemisphere ,at it's peak it can provide energy to 770k homes,,it should be operational soon .

Actually they're more than likely made in India!!! No joking.
 
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MD Jazz

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Almost 50,000 americans die every year from gun related deaths.

About 500 are from accidental deaths. So whilst the annual mass school shootings are horrific they actually account for less deaths than preventable, accidental deaths. Its so sad and must be devastating for so many families.

How many homicides and suicides would also be prevented by stricter gun laws?

It's insane, I'm sure we will start seeing recommendations from the NRA to arm the kids.
 

spook

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The poor old coal miners. The arts industry employs way more people and didn't get a *smile* JobKeeper dime. What an absurd proposition, that we should let people continue to salt the earth, poison the water and befoul the skies because "that's what we've always done and we don't know how to do anything else". LEARN! We'll even help you. "Na thanks mate. I'll keep inhaling toxic coal dust particles on the daily and superheating the Earth. That's what me dad done and that's what me son'll do."

Horseshit. "Protecting people's livings" is a smokescreen for "propping up mining profits for shareholders".
 
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bengal tigers

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The poor old coal miners. The arts industry employs way more people and didn't get a *smile* JobKeeper dime. What an absurd proposition, that we should let people continue to salt the earth, poison the water and befoul the skies because "that's what we've always done and we don't know how to do anything else". LEARN! We'll even help you. "Na thanks mate. I'll keep inhaling toxic coal dust particles on the daily and superheating the Earth. That's what me dad done and that's what me son'll do."

Horseshit. "Protecting people's livings" is a smokescreen for "propping up mining profits for shareholdes".
Mate are you quoting that nut case Bandt ,but anyway l wonder how people would of went during lock down without power the coal industry supplies.
Think about it.
 

IanG

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Imagine all the centrelink payments to all the thousands of workers who can't get jobs .
Once wind farms are constructed ,they don't need a large work force to maintain,same for solar .
Renewable energy is great and is the future,but we can't rush it,it has to be gradual .

This could be controversial ,but Australia has nearly a third of the worlds uranium ,how about a nuclear power plant ,there 440 of them world wide ,they are clean emissions ,provide constant power ,something wind farms and solar don't.
I guess the waste product is a sticking point .

Suggest you do some research into Saul Griffith and what he proposes.
 
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