Yep last two games we have been alot more disciplined. It was very good to see. Plus we were finally get some reward for some good tackling- (except against cripps who can do whatever he wants).
Let's see how long both aspects last.
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Umpire farce - Getting worse by the minute!
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Let's see how long both aspects last.
This is what gets me. I understand that we may give away a few free kicks due to how we play. We may even be on top of the ladder for most frees given away. But what I don’t understand is how nearly every game we play, the opposition is always on their best behaviour ( to the umpires at least). It’s the blatantly obvious frees we don’t get, and the inconsistency of the rules being applied during games that makes me frustrated. What should have been a free to us isn’t called yet the same or very similar ones are paid to the opposition. There is no rule that says frees have to be even after a game, but for us to be on the wrong end of the count 90% of the time ( just a guess on my part) over the last 5-8 years shows that we are umpired to a different standard for some reason. I get that when we were crap we would have been sloppy and undisciplined and would have given away more frees than more highly skilled and disciplined teams. But after we turned around our fortunes, the same lopsided free kick count continued. I don’t get it
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Yep I watched the replay. Baker was laughing looking at the ump because he didn’t call play on.
Just heard it.....and more.....seriously. Maybe we should admit we cheated and give the win back to please these a-holes. Even Cornhead reckons we've been arrogant in the last 3 years....whatever the f*ck that means...
At first, I thought he did it on purpose, but watching the game again, it was just an 'at the moment' thing when Grimo turned his face back to the play. Not done on purpose. Dumpire's exaggeration not us cheating.
Ask him to name one non arrogant Premier. Being humble is for the losers, not the winners.
He's correct, it's not different vision, it's all out of the same cameras. We just don't know which camera the arc is looking at at any given time and if it is the same one the broadcaster is showing us.
No way we are arrogant. We are confident if we play well we can win. Hardwick couldn’t be more than complimentary of opposition teams. Arrogance is Chris Scott.
Ladies and Gentlemen of PRE, I have shocking news regarding the farce.
I was approached this morning by a statistically minded person with a great interest in that side of the game. We had a chat about the game Thursday and some of the umpiring that was perhaps a little harsh on Carlton and I expressed that I felt many Richmond supporters would feel it was overdue to get the rub of the green.
He gave a little smile and said 'Really?' with an air of confidence and I then explained the free kick differential and the farce etc, naturally assuring him I don't support the notion.
Again with a little twinkle in his eye, he asked me how I thought umpires could influence a result if they were trying to cheat. Being of pure virtue when it comes to umpiring, I was unable to come up with a methodology that would work.
"Wouldn't it be as simple as paying free kicks to help a team score?," he asked. "After all, if you were to pay 5 free kicks to one team in the goal square and 25 to the other team in the backline, the team with 5 would go a long way towards winning". Undeniable logic which I had to agree with.
Finally, after luring me into the trap, he dropped the bomb. Over the last 20 seasons, which club leads the competition in scores from direct and indirect (a chain where a free is paid and the team maintain possession to score) free kicks?
You guessed it, Richmond.
Now without LTRTR
I have no way to verify this information but this person is of the same ilk when it comes to collating statistics and I have faith in their credibility.
It may well be that the farce is in fact, the greatest farce of all.
I was approached this morning by a statistically minded person with a great interest in that side of the game. We had a chat about the game Thursday and some of the umpiring that was perhaps a little harsh on Carlton and I expressed that I felt many Richmond supporters would feel it was overdue to get the rub of the green.
He gave a little smile and said 'Really?' with an air of confidence and I then explained the free kick differential and the farce etc, naturally assuring him I don't support the notion.
Again with a little twinkle in his eye, he asked me how I thought umpires could influence a result if they were trying to cheat. Being of pure virtue when it comes to umpiring, I was unable to come up with a methodology that would work.
"Wouldn't it be as simple as paying free kicks to help a team score?," he asked. "After all, if you were to pay 5 free kicks to one team in the goal square and 25 to the other team in the backline, the team with 5 would go a long way towards winning". Undeniable logic which I had to agree with.
Finally, after luring me into the trap, he dropped the bomb. Over the last 20 seasons, which club leads the competition in scores from direct and indirect (a chain where a free is paid and the team maintain possession to score) free kicks?
You guessed it, Richmond.
Now without LTRTR
I have no way to verify this information but this person is of the same ilk when it comes to collating statistics and I have faith in their credibility.It may well be that the farce is in fact, the greatest farce of all.
Unless this information is in the form of a leaked video or screenshot of a private instagram post then it can't be believed.Ladies and Gentlemen of PRE, I have shocking news regarding the farce.
I was approached this morning by a statistically minded person with a great interest in that side of the game. We had a chat about the game Thursday and some of the umpiring that was perhaps a little harsh on Carlton and I expressed that I felt many Richmond supporters would feel it was overdue to get the rub of the green.
He gave a little smile and said 'Really?' with an air of confidence and I then explained the free kick differential and the farce etc, naturally assuring him I don't support the notion.
Again with a little twinkle in his eye, he asked me how I thought umpires could influence a result if they were trying to cheat. Being of pure virtue when it comes to umpiring, I was unable to come up with a methodology that would work.
"Wouldn't it be as simple as paying free kicks to help a team score?," he asked. "After all, if you were to pay 5 free kicks to one team in the goal square and 25 to the other team in the backline, the team with 5 would go a long way towards winning". Undeniable logic which I had to agree with.
Finally, after luring me into the trap, he dropped the bomb. Over the last 20 seasons, which club leads the competition in scores from direct and indirect (a chain where a free is paid and the team maintain possession to score) free kicks?
You guessed it, Richmond.
Now without LTRTR
It may well be that the farce is in fact, the greatest farce of all.
Does anyone else believe that Gale has been offered the job for commander and chief and the umpires have now heard the news and now they are shitting themselves?? And stopped bending us over.
Don't want to upset the big boss otherwise you could be umpiring in Echuca
Don't want to upset the big boss otherwise you could be umpiring in Echuca
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Hmm, maybe but I would say yes and no. It is noticeable that our game against Sydney had a lot of free kicks (61) and the game against Carlton far fewer free kicks (37). Clearly not all umpires adjudicate the game the same, that is a very big disparity.
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Did you ask for a breakdown of 2003 - 2016 when we were harmless and the 2nd favorite team to many supporters, versus 2017 - 2022 when we upset the apple cart?aLadies and Gentlemen of PRE, I have shocking news regarding the farce.
I was approached this morning by a statistically minded person with a great interest in that side of the game. We had a chat about the game Thursday and some of the umpiring that was perhaps a little harsh on Carlton and I expressed that I felt many Richmond supporters would feel it was overdue to get the rub of the green.
He gave a little smile and said 'Really?' with an air of confidence and I then explained the free kick differential and the farce etc, naturally assuring him I don't support the notion.
Again with a little twinkle in his eye, he asked me how I thought umpires could influence a result if they were trying to cheat. Being of pure virtue when it comes to umpiring, I was unable to come up with a methodology that would work.
"Wouldn't it be as simple as paying free kicks to help a team score?," he asked. "After all, if you were to pay 5 free kicks to one team in the goal square and 25 to the other team in the backline, the team with 5 would go a long way towards winning". Undeniable logic which I had to agree with.
Finally, after luring me into the trap, he dropped the bomb. Over the last 20 seasons, which club leads the competition in scores from direct and indirect (a chain where a free is paid and the team maintain possession to score) free kicks?
You guessed it, Richmond.
Now without LTRTR
It may well be that the farce is in fact, the greatest farce of all.
Also a breakdown of direct v indirect? If a free was received on the oppo's goal line, and we brought it coast to coast for a goal, I would have thought it was good play rather than a being "lucky" due to receiving a free.
I say until we receive answers to these questions, the farce is well and truly alive
Geez, may as well shut the thread then. Open and shut case.Ladies and Gentlemen of PRE, I have shocking news regarding the farce.
I was approached this morning by a statistically minded person with a great interest in that side of the game. We had a chat about the game Thursday and some of the umpiring that was perhaps a little harsh on Carlton and I expressed that I felt many Richmond supporters would feel it was overdue to get the rub of the green.
He gave a little smile and said 'Really?' with an air of confidence and I then explained the free kick differential and the farce etc, naturally assuring him I don't support the notion.
Again with a little twinkle in his eye, he asked me how I thought umpires could influence a result if they were trying to cheat. Being of pure virtue when it comes to umpiring, I was unable to come up with a methodology that would work.
"Wouldn't it be as simple as paying free kicks to help a team score?," he asked. "After all, if you were to pay 5 free kicks to one team in the goal square and 25 to the other team in the backline, the team with 5 would go a long way towards winning". Undeniable logic which I had to agree with.
Finally, after luring me into the trap, he dropped the bomb. Over the last 20 seasons, which club leads the competition in scores from direct and indirect (a chain where a free is paid and the team maintain possession to score) free kicks?
You guessed it, Richmond.
Now without LTRTR
It may well be that the farce is in fact, the greatest farce of all.
What a surprise that this post would come from the great apologist.... I have said previously based on TBR posts I really question if he really is a Tiger suporter at all..Ladies and Gentlemen of PRE, I have shocking news regarding the farce.
I was approached this morning by a statistically minded person with a great interest in that side of the game. We had a chat about the game Thursday and some of the umpiring that was perhaps a little harsh on Carlton and I expressed that I felt many Richmond supporters would feel it was overdue to get the rub of the green.
He gave a little smile and said 'Really?' with an air of confidence and I then explained the free kick differential and the farce etc, naturally assuring him I don't support the notion.
Again with a little twinkle in his eye, he asked me how I thought umpires could influence a result if they were trying to cheat. Being of pure virtue when it comes to umpiring, I was unable to come up with a methodology that would work.
"Wouldn't it be as simple as paying free kicks to help a team score?," he asked. "After all, if you were to pay 5 free kicks to one team in the goal square and 25 to the other team in the backline, the team with 5 would go a long way towards winning". Undeniable logic which I had to agree with.
Finally, after luring me into the trap, he dropped the bomb. Over the last 20 seasons, which club leads the competition in scores from direct and indirect (a chain where a free is paid and the team maintain possession to score) free kicks?
You guessed it, Richmond.
Now without LTRTR
It may well be that the farce is in fact, the greatest farce of all.
Gotta call that a croc of *smile*. It's so inanely ridiculous a straw man argument that you will see.Ladies and Gentlemen of PRE, I have shocking news regarding the farce.
I was approached this morning by a statistically minded person with a great interest in that side of the game. We had a chat about the game Thursday and some of the umpiring that was perhaps a little harsh on Carlton and I expressed that I felt many Richmond supporters would feel it was overdue to get the rub of the green.
He gave a little smile and said 'Really?' with an air of confidence and I then explained the free kick differential and the farce etc, naturally assuring him I don't support the notion.
Again with a little twinkle in his eye, he asked me how I thought umpires could influence a result if they were trying to cheat. Being of pure virtue when it comes to umpiring, I was unable to come up with a methodology that would work.
"Wouldn't it be as simple as paying free kicks to help a team score?," he asked. "After all, if you were to pay 5 free kicks to one team in the goal square and 25 to the other team in the backline, the team with 5 would go a long way towards winning". Undeniable logic which I had to agree with.
Finally, after luring me into the trap, he dropped the bomb. Over the last 20 seasons, which club leads the competition in scores from direct and indirect (a chain where a free is paid and the team maintain possession to score) free kicks?
You guessed it, Richmond.
Now without LTRTR
It may well be that the farce is in fact, the greatest farce of all.
Firstly, with rules like the stand rule, a team with 25 free kicks in their backline it's possible for them to go Coast to Coast with kick, mark, kick mark footy. However, that's unlikely. So is 5 free kicks in the goal square.
Indirectly "influencing" a goal is also Bolshevik. You can't give someone the footy, and say there we go, they'll get a goal from that. Unless you have a bunch of witches hats on the other side and 18 Darren Jarmen-like, laser precision robots on ours, there's no way they can go down to umpire influence. Far too many variables in the way.
The other factor is where and when we get frees. I'd suggest the bulk of our frees are in the middle of the ground, then forward. Why? Because our game was built on pressure. So kicks in our backline usually get intercepted, or we spoil and run it out. Our forwards might get frees, but that's because our game plan is to choke the footy and create turnovers in our forward line. So naturally, if we're tackling and getting holding the ball or the opposition kicks it out of bounds, it's because of our style, not bias. We don't get a lot frees up forward from marking contests in particular, whereas with the unbelievably high calibre key position defenders we've had, we tend to see lots of frees in marking contests against us I believe.
The issue is the other way.
lastly, consider how much time we have possession up forward, yet how few frees we are rewarded in comparison. I can recall regularly seeing stats showing how much of a % the ball has been up forward, but we have low free kick numbers for that time.
For such a clever man TBR, you're very quick to swallow the bait here. Is it perhaps because it reinforced your own perception, so want worth challenging?
