Whether a team wins or loses is an illogical way to measure the quality of a coach. You may as well just say the ranking of coaches are the same as the list of premiership coaches.
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Who are we supporting to win the flag now we are out?
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Whether a team wins or loses is an illogical way to measure the quality of a coach. You may as well just say the ranking of coaches are the same as the list of premiership coaches.
Yeah I get that. Are you saying Scott is clearly the better coach because he's best on game day? Or that he is clearly the better game-day coach?
You raised a 10 year journey to a premiership, I'm talking about the three hours in the box on game day.
Either way, you haven't provided ample evidence. There's plenty of evidence that he is a great coach, up there with the best, no problems there. But you've provided no evidence that he is better than Dimma, game day or otherwise, let alone clearly better.
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Tommy too Spook.
Not a bad word I’ve heard anyone say about him!
Hated how he was treated in the end.
We could & should have won at least another flag if he was coaching us.
Not a stretch to say maybe two.
Agree with all you wrote above.
Parkin I think was the first ( teacher background ) who insisted on education as well as your football.
I'm not saying Scott is the better coach, I'm saying he is a better game day coach.
It's not a Scott v Hardwick thing, Hardwick isn't even in the conversation in terms of the best game day coaches because as discussed, it isn't his style.
As for evidence, sometimes you just see things from watching footy. People see it without even realising they are. Like every time we lose you will find someone on here who doesn't really know what they are talking about posting 'Hardwick has no plan B'.
What they are meaning is Hardwick doesn't make radical changes during games because his method is to back his system to prevail. As he always says, system based side.
What the hell? You posted earlier that Scott is one of the greatest coaches because he has the best win-loss record of any coach that has coached more than 100 games. You said that we are witnessing one of the greatest achievements in the history of football; or words to that effect.
Now you are saying that wins and losses is an illogical way to measure the quality of a coach? You’ve completely contradicted yourself.
So what do you believe?
That statement was responding to someone saying a 3-0 finals record was conclusive proof of who the better coach was. Hardly the same thing.
Come off it. Pretty clear that you use the win loss argument as proof as what a great coach Scott is but when someone states a counter argument you claim it’s an illogical way to measure the quality of a coach.
Hypocritical positions to take.
If you can't differentiate between the significance of a 280 odd game home and away record and someone saying one team beat another 3 times in finals so their coach is better, then I think you are being deliberately obtuse.
Deliberately obtuse hey? Ironic coming from you.
But then you just change your tune to suit whatever agenda your running with at any given time.
So what you are saying is 3 finals games = an entire career? Both equally weighted?
In typical fashion you are trying to spin your arguments to suit your position. I am saying that Hardwick’s record of taking a club from obscurity to 3 flags in 4 years beats Scott’s home and away champion but finals failure record.
You clearly stated his home and away record is one of the great achievements in football history but in another post state wins and losses are an illogical way to judge a coach. You also stated Hardwick would likely have no flags if not for Dusty but ignore the fact that Scott won his only flag with the vast majority of players from Thompson’s dual premiership teams.
I am taking Hardwick’s record over Scott’s any day.
There's no spin, you are just not following the conversation closely enough. I'll have one last go at explaining them assume you are deliberately just being argumentative.
Your point about Hardwick is irrelevant to this discussion. You are talking about the senior coach role in it's entirety, I am talking about game time only. Best match day coach, not best coach of a club.
Having the best winning record of any coach in the history of the game after the best part of 300 games in charge is an absolutely amazing effort. No-one could dispute that.
I said that in the context of a 3-0 finals record being suggested as proof of a superior coach. Same as the Dustin comment, it is illogical to use the record of one team against another as proof that one coach is better.
Scott's home and away record on the other hand is against all teams, in all conditions, over a long period of time. Much more significant and indicative than a handful of games against a team that is just better. See the difference?
So am I. But I am talking about the best match day coach, not the coach with the best record.
It’s funny how you don’t see the irony in accusing someone else of being deliberately argumentative.
You initially claimed Scott was a better coach; nothing about a match day coach. Anyway, wins and losses are not just down to match day coaching. There is a lot more to it than that. Hardwick’s win loss record is worse than Scott’s mainly because he took over the worst team in the AFL at a club that was only just pulling itself out of the mire. Scott took over a side that had won 2 flags in the previous 4 seasons and made PF at least in the other 2. At a club that what’s been very well run in all areas for many years. If it was a 100m race Scott had 70m head start over Hardwick.
But as for now a argument that it is only about Scott being a better match day coach, so what. I don’t necessarily agree with that but it is only one part of what makes a great coach. Dimma has him covered. Winning 3 flags from what was a rabble when he took over is testament to that.
I said from the first question I was talking match day coach. For some reason you feel the need to defend Hardwick's honour when no-one is questioning it.
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