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2022 Draft Thread

bullus_hit

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Ideally no.
You always go to the draft with all of your picks inside the 1st and (almost always your) 2nd round intact.
You grow your team from the selections made.
You top up with free agents.
You top up with player for player trades topped up with 2nd and 3rd round picks, thereby trading in better players than you trade out.
And you never trade 1 rd picks and wouldn’t dream of ever trading a future 1st.
This is the Francis Jackson template, we have already witnessed the blueprint for success, no guesswork required from this point on. This is how dynasties are created. If you want to simplify it even more then buy low & sell high, get your spine in order first & treat your first rounders like gold. Clarke is already six drafts in and he's starting to lag behind on the depth stakes, wiping out the next 2 drafts a massive fork in the road in my opinion.

Here's the shopping list for the next couple of years (players 30 and above)

Cotchin
Dusty
Jack
Grimes
Lynch
Prestia
Edwards
Lambert
Pickett

That's predominantly A list talent, good luck filling those gaps with third rounders.
 
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This is the Francis Jackson template, we have already witnessed the blueprint for success, no guesswork required from this point on. This is how dynasties are created. If you want to simplify it even more then buy low & sell high, get your spine in order first & treat your first rounders like gold. Clarke is already six drafts in and he's starting to lag behind on the depth stakes, wiping out the next 2 drafts a massive fork in the road in my opinion.

Here's the shopping list for the next couple of years (players 30 and above)

Cotchin
Dusty
Jack
Grimes
Lynch
Prestia
Edwards
Lambert
Pickett

That's predominantly A list talent, good luck filling those gaps with third rounders.
The theory from Momentai looks good on paper but in practical terms no team has been able to achieve that. Look at the two teams that are currently in the Grand final and see what they have done to get there and the same with melbourne last year. Comparing Clark and Jackson is also unfair as the list is at very different stages and the picks that Jackson had compared to what Clark has been given is also completely different. You must use a combination of strategies to get success and take opportunities when they arise.
 
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bullus_hit

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The theory from Momentai looks good on paper but in practical terms no team has been able to achieve that. Look at the two teams that are currently in the Grand final and see what they have done to get there and the same with melbourne last year. Comparing Clark and Jackson is also unfair as the list is at very different stages and the picks that Jackson had compared to what Clark has been given is also completely different. You must use a combination of strategies to get success and take opportunities when they arise.
Still no silverware for Geelong, the big spenders may yet come up empty handed, I hope they do because this feels like the final episode of Dad's Army. Sydney have regenerated through the draft, fortunate with some Academy guys but the post Buddy future looks bright.

If you want my honest opinion on Clarke, I think his first draft was a homer but since then there's been some strange picks, not really paying heed to the principles outlined by Momentai & not paying attention to scarcity in the context of building a pool of key position talent which can used or on-traded. Jackson also left him Chol & another gem in Dan Rioli, a leftfield beauty to sign off in style. I think we'll miss Francis Jackson, even at his nadir he was still producing core players like Butler, Castagna, Lambert & Broad. Big shoes to fill for Clarke & with the recent developments probably a bridge too far. It's now the Blair Hartley show, Balta, Gibcus & Miller a solid platform but still way too light, not much currency left either, free agency probably the last viable alternative.
 

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Here's the shopping list for the next couple of years (players 30 and above)

Cotchin
Dusty
Jack
Grimes
Lynch
Prestia
Edwards
Lambert
Pickett

That's predominantly A list talent, good luck filling those gaps with third rounders.

I think some of that is already filled. And players like Jack, Dusty and Cotch are once-in-a-lifetime type footballers, you don't replace like for like.

That tall forwards part I agree, we lack that. Must draft for it or sign FA. Tall backs I don't think we are too bad (Gibcus, Biggie, Balta and Miller).

Taranto and Hopper are seen as Cotch and Prestia replacements. Bolton is the Dusty replacement, different but same role. Edwards, Lambert and Pickett might be Sonsie, Clarke, Rioli, Ross, Ralphsmith configuration.

The issues are depth. We need more mids, more forwards.
 
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momentai

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Still no silverware for Geelong, the big spenders may yet come up empty handed, I hope they do because this feels like the final episode of Dad's Army. Sydney have regenerated through the draft, fortunate with some Academy guys but the post Buddy future looks bright.

If you want my honest opinion on Clarke, I think his first draft was a homer but since then there's been some strange picks, not really paying heed to the principles outlined by Momentai & not paying attention to scarcity in the context of building a pool of key position talent which can used or on-traded. Jackson also left him Chol & another gem in Dan Rioli, a leftfield beauty to sign off in style. I think we'll miss Francis Jackson, even at his nadir he was still producing core players like Butler, Castagna, Lambert & Broad. Big shoes to fill for Clarke & with the recent developments probably a bridge too far. It's now the Blair Hartley show, Balta, Gibcus & Miller a solid platform but still way too light, not much currency left either, free agency probably the last viable alternative.
Geelong and Sydney have been greatly favoured, in Geelong’s case by the father son rule and in Sydney’s, by the rules around academies.

Both are furtive ground effectively denied the Tigers. Can’t compare the fortunes of the three clubs because of the imbalance in opportunity, so created.

Given that imbalance Blair is going well and Dimma’s creation of the Richmond man mantra has also contributed to our advantage. Our association with the (sorry can’t spell) “. “ Institute also promises to work in our favour.

Given the departure of Shedda and Lambert and those next years departures we already know about, this years draft and again next years draft remain very important to us.
Taranto and Hopper a yes, losing our two 1sts 12 and 19 ok, but the rest going out should only come in player(s), with salary paid by us.
That payment out shouldn’t include either our future 1st or Graham, but if he does go to say Port Adelaide, I would be looking at least for a future 1st to be banked and used by us, at the 23 draft.

Such arrangements may have been agreed to already?
 
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momentai

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The theory from Momentai looks good on paper but in practical terms no team has been able to achieve that. Look at the two teams that are currently in the Grand final and see what they have done to get there and the same with melbourne last year. Comparing Clark and Jackson is also unfair as the list is at very different stages and the picks that Jackson had compared to what Clark has been given is also completely different. You must use a combination of strategies to get success and take opportunities when they arise.
See #825 above.
 

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See #825 above.
The problem is we all want to keep our early draft picks but still bring in top talent. I love the draft and certainly don't want to lose crucial first round picks but we have an opportunity to add some top end talent and unfortunately that is the price you have to pay. Is it the right call, only time will tell and of course we won't know who we would of selected with thos picks anyway. I noticed you didn't mention Melbourne in post 825. Can you name me one club that has been successful and totally adhered to your theory ? You must do a combination of strategies and do them well to be successful.
 
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bullus_hit

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I think some of that is already filled. And players like Jack, Dusty and Cotch are once-in-a-lifetime type footballers, you don't replace like for like.

That tall forwards part I agree, we lack that. Must draft for it or sign FA. Tall backs I don't think we are too bad (Gibcus, Biggie, Balta and Miller).

Taranto and Hopper are seen as Cotch and Prestia replacements. Bolton is the Dusty replacement, different but same role. Edwards, Lambert and Pickett might be Sonsie, Clarke, Rioli, Ross, Ralphsmith configuration.

The issues are depth. We need more mids, more forwards.
I reckon if you are relying on a free agent then you are taking the biggest gamble in football, too much competition, the vultures are all over Georgiades which already inflates the price of a guy like Marshall. The safest route is the draft, one pick this year & one pick next year, has to be done now, 4 year development clock already behind schedule.
 
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To be fair bully mate some off those players on your list are once in a generation players mate hard to replace Dusty ,Cotch and Lynch in space of couple drafts let alone decades.
 

Jonesracing82

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Our list as i see it now, is as always a WIP. With TT & JH coming in the only immediate thing we lack is key fwd depth for next yr. It's becoming important for 1 of Ryan or Bauer to make the leap next yr which helps in that area.
 

Jonesracing82

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I want Sydney to win on saturday, Clubs will then blow up about the Academy rules where change is long overdue. the NGA's are now pretty much useless as Clubs can no longer gain top end talent from their own academies given how the rules changed for 1 but not the other.
 
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bullus_hit

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To be fair bully mate some off those players on your list are once in a generation players mate hard to replace Dusty ,Cotch and Lynch in space of couple drafts let alone decades.
This is true but I always figure you should start with the most complex part first, Jackson's first pick was a full forward which turned into the perfect arrowhead for the rebuild. Maybe he got lucky but his hand was already compromised by Miller, humble beginnings with a lucky 13. That pick has now presented itself to Clarke so he must make the call on it's value & that of next year's first. History is on your side if you are content with one success story, perhaps you get a Roughy/Buddy double, your investment unlikely to lose too much value. For a quick midfield fix I'd grab Mitchell & let him retire with the others, after that you are bound to get some decent free agents which won't cost draft picks. This is a far better path and still places firm emphasis on the future.
 

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This is true but I always figure you should start with the most complex part first, Jackson's first pick was a full forward which turned into the perfect arrowhead for the rebuild. Maybe he got lucky but his hand was already compromised by Miller, humble beginnings with a lucky 13. That pick has now presented itself to Clarke so he must make the call on it's value & that of next year's first. History is on your side if you are content with one success story, perhaps you get a Roughy/Buddy double, your investment unlikely to lose too much value. For a quick midfield fix I'd grab Mitchell & let him retire with the others, after that you are bound to get some decent free agents which won't cost draft picks. This is a far better path and still places firm emphasis on the future.
Getting Jack with Pick 13 was both luck and skill

But unless you want to bottom out the only chance you get to obtain pure elite talent is with very early draft picks.

Why would we want to completely bottom out when our top end talent is still good enough to contend for a flag?

We were very much in the window this year. With the addition of Taranto and Hopper it further extends that window and if anything it increases our odds for a flag.
 
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momentai

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The problem is we all want to keep our early draft picks but still bring in top talent. I love the draft and certainly don't want to lose crucial first round picks but we have an opportunity to add some top end talent and unfortunately that is the price you have to pay. Is it the right call, only time will tell and of course we won't know who we would of selected with thos picks anyway. I noticed you didn't mention Melbourne in post 825. Can you name me one club that has been successful and totally adhered to your theory ? You must do a combination of strategies and do them well to be successful.
Don’t really tune into what is going on at other clubs so I can’t answer your question. As for Geelong and Sydney though the source of their historical adv Father / Son and Academy is pretty clear.

All clubs adjust depending on their ability to take advantage of what is going on around them. We don’t have those advantages but we do have a wonderful culture and a successful coach with a successful history.

With this in our favour I think Free agency can actually play to our advantage as players in mid career for the most part just want play with their mates and to be part of a winning team.
Players are already making a fortune in relation to the rest of us and I expect that if we can continue to grow our RIchmond man stereotype (and return to another premiership success) that this advantage in culture has the potential to bring a choice of free agents to our door. Bang bang!

To this end I would love to see Peggy continue her membership of our Board.
 

bullus_hit

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Getting Jack with Pick 13 was both luck and skill

But unless you want to bottom out the only chance you get to obtain pure elite talent is with very early draft picks.

Why would we want to completely bottom out when our top end talent is still good enough to contend for a flag?

We were very much in the window this year. With the addition of Taranto and Hopper it further extends that window and if anything it increases our odds for a flag.
I'm not so sure Taranto warrants top dollar, certainly not two first rounders, that's clear overs in this market.
 

Jonesracing82

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I'm not so sure Taranto warrants top dollar, certainly not two first rounders, that's clear overs in this market.
That's what Clubs tend to demand for their better players. Dogs will more than likely ask the same for Dunkley as they did last yr. I hope we can somehow keep pick 30 but that'd include a player being part of the deal.
 

bullus_hit

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That’s not just for Taranto. That deal will also include Hopper. Picks will be coming back our way as well.
That's a big bill in my eyes, way too big. When you start giving away top 20 picks like that you minimise your chances of getting key forwards. This could be career defining for Clarke, a poor year will amplify the pain, 2023 the year of the high roller.