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2023 Draft Thread.
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Looks like the alcohol suspension on Schoenmaker made his value slide. Good luck at Moorabbin....
He was a good little footballer with us but that was a good while ago. He has improved loads since.
Dominated the Ovens and Murray after leaving us and has since done the same and improved again with Werribee.
How's these for some games this year:
Round 3 - 40 possessions and 4 goals
Round 13 - 28 and 3
Round 15 - 25 and 7
Then BOG in the VFL GF with 28 possessions and 6 goals!
Quick, skilled, fit, strong, wins own ball and is clean.
Deserved his chance more than most.
It’s hard not to be underwhelmed when 2023 trading and draft yields just
the hugely expensive and disappointing Jacob Hopper,
a mid that is a chance to make it but has a query on disposal, and
a key fwd prospect that looks speculative at best.
The club gave a few borderline players another year for the new coach to assess, which cramped our style in the draft.
We really need Hopper to lift a few levels back to his best and our department of youth to kick on big time in 2024, or a big cleanout follows.
Interesting season ahead.
the hugely expensive and disappointing Jacob Hopper,
a mid that is a chance to make it but has a query on disposal, and
a key fwd prospect that looks speculative at best.
The club gave a few borderline players another year for the new coach to assess, which cramped our style in the draft.
We really need Hopper to lift a few levels back to his best and our department of youth to kick on big time in 2024, or a big cleanout follows.
Interesting season ahead.
Yeah will be a big watch on Nate Caddy. Not a lot of doubt that is he we draft at our pick if we don't trade for Hopper.
Hopefully not a massive sliding doors moment (in a bad way) for us.
Hopefully not a massive sliding doors moment (in a bad way) for us.
I get it but to me the draft and trading game is way more complex than that.
Doors close and others open
Maybe if we had taken Roughead instead of Tambling we wouldn’t have got Cotchin and then Martin ?
I prefer to not look back
Hopper will be a good player for us imo
Also have to factor in the Taranto and Hopper deals, though separate, were done knowing both would come to the club. Who’s to say if we didn’t get Hopper, that GWS wouldn’t have asked for 12 and a future first for Taranto, instead of 12 and 19? You just never know what could’ve happened. As you say, I believe in Hopper too. Needs a big preseason and some continuity.
Yes. To me the important thing is how the deal looks at the time. Everyone, or a decent majority at the very least, was rapt with the Hopper deal at the time. It still looks good to me, maybe not as good but still good.
The Biddescombe deal not so much. Looked terrible at the time, and turned out that way.
Everything is easy in hindsight.
We also know that if Caddy turns out to be a good player he will join Holmes and Van Rooyen ( aka vandenhoogenband) on Zips’ theoretical Richmond team
Top National Draft Combine Results
20m sprint1st: Aiden O'Driscoll - 2.871 seconds
2nd: Will Graham - 2.915
3rd: Caleb Windsor - 2.916
4th: Lance Collard - 2.923
5th: Kane McAuliffe - 2.930
6th: Zane Zakostelsky - 2.954
7th: Phoenix Gothard - 2.963
8th: Taylor Goad - 2.965
9th: Eion McElholm - 2.993
10th: Harry DeMattia - 2.996
Standing vertical jump
1st: Zane Zakostelsky - 80cm
2nd: Will Graham, Phoenix Gothard and Mitchell Edwards - 78cm
4th: Kane McAuliffe - 77cm
5th: Darcy Wilson - 76cm
6th: Riley Hardeman - 75cm
7th: Jack Delean and Taylor Goad - 74cm
9th: Aiden O'Driscoll and Caleb Windsor - 73 cm
Running vertical jump
1st: Darcy Wilson - 98cm
2nd: Zane Duursma - 97cm
3rd: Will Graham and Kane McAuliffe - 95cm
4th: Mitchell Edwards and Zane Zakostelsky - 94cm
6th: Aiden O'Driscoll and Caleb Windsor - 92cm
8th: Riley Hardeman - 91cm
9th: Cooper Simpson - 90cm
Seems a decent haul from our draft hand. Looks like loading up for next year, clearly wanting to trade up to better picks, hope it works, but the suspicion that the AFL will somehow screw us is more than justified given their form.
I'm not a big draft watcher, but I did notice the pic from the AFL web site of the first round:
Ok, so that's the first round is it?
There are 18 teams in the AFL, I see 19 players who will end up at 11 teams. How is that not contrived? How do you end up with the first 19 and 7 teams miss out? What a farce. By the way, shouldn't there be more North Melbourne jumpers there, I thought they got 15 picks in the top 10. I suppose some of the picks were interstate, but it still strikes me as a rigged system. Drafts are supposed to equalise the competition, I figure some are more equal than the rest.
DS
I'm not a big draft watcher, but I did notice the pic from the AFL web site of the first round:
Ok, so that's the first round is it?
There are 18 teams in the AFL, I see 19 players who will end up at 11 teams. How is that not contrived? How do you end up with the first 19 and 7 teams miss out? What a farce. By the way, shouldn't there be more North Melbourne jumpers there, I thought they got 15 picks in the top 10. I suppose some of the picks were interstate, but it still strikes me as a rigged system. Drafts are supposed to equalise the competition, I figure some are more equal than the rest.
DS
I'm curious to know why Geelong let him slip. I thought the cats would nab him but ended up doing a deal with the bombers.
Caddy, who averaged 16 touches and six marks this season, and ran 3.02 seconds for 20m and 6 min 35 seconds for 2km at the Draft Combine, said he relied on multiple weapons to hit the scoreboard. “I’m a bit of an undersized key forward, but I like to be a hard match-up,” Caddy said.
I like the idea of him as well, although an improvement is his durability, so Meehan would have a field day with this kid
The trading of picks into next year is not something many here considered. It's such a complicated business now the draft.
I have no idea whether that was the right play or not but it does highlight there's a fair bit more strategy to it than just picking the players you like.
Not to mention the countless interview conducted with each of these potential draftees & the data bases they have access to that track players from years out with an eye on future drafts.
Here's hoping our FT professionals get it right after having all the information at hand.
Time will tell..
I have no idea whether that was the right play or not but it does highlight there's a fair bit more strategy to it than just picking the players you like.
Not to mention the countless interview conducted with each of these potential draftees & the data bases they have access to that track players from years out with an eye on future drafts.
Here's hoping our FT professionals get it right after having all the information at hand.
Time will tell..
Smart by us, strengthened our 2024 draft hand. We expect freo and eagles to be bottom 6.
We now have 1 first-rounder. 2 second-rounders inc freos 2nd. 3 X 3rd rounders ours, freo and eagles. Plus 3 fourth-rounders, ours, Ports and Bombers.
We have a lot of draft capital to do deals for teams needing points for academy and father-son's.
2024 – Tyler Welsh (son of Scott)
Brisbane
2024 – Levi Ashcroft (son of Marcus)
Carlton
2024 – Ben Camporeale (son of Scott)
2024 – Lucas Camporeale (son of Scott)
Essendon
2024 - Alex Alessio (son of Steven)
2024 – Noah Caracella (son of Blake)
Geelong
2024 – Alfie Wojcinski (son of David)
Hawthorn
2024 – Charlie Crawford (son of Shane)
2024 – Ky Burgoyne (son of Shaun)
Melbourne
2024 – Noah Yze (son of Adem)
North Melbourne
2024 – River Stevens (son of Anthony)
Port Adelaide
2024 – Louie Montgomery (son of Brett)
2024 – Ky Burgoyne (son of Shaun)
2024 – Rome Burgoyne (son of Peter)
2024 – Oliver Francou (son of Josh)
St Kilda
2024 – Boston Everitt (son of Peter)
We now have 1 first-rounder. 2 second-rounders inc freos 2nd. 3 X 3rd rounders ours, freo and eagles. Plus 3 fourth-rounders, ours, Ports and Bombers.
We have a lot of draft capital to do deals for teams needing points for academy and father-son's.
2024 TOP AVAILABLE FATHER-SON PROSPECTS COMING THROUGH
Adelaide2024 – Tyler Welsh (son of Scott)
Brisbane
2024 – Levi Ashcroft (son of Marcus)
Carlton
2024 – Ben Camporeale (son of Scott)
2024 – Lucas Camporeale (son of Scott)
Essendon
2024 - Alex Alessio (son of Steven)
2024 – Noah Caracella (son of Blake)
Geelong
2024 – Alfie Wojcinski (son of David)
Hawthorn
2024 – Charlie Crawford (son of Shane)
2024 – Ky Burgoyne (son of Shaun)
Melbourne
2024 – Noah Yze (son of Adem)
North Melbourne
2024 – River Stevens (son of Anthony)
Port Adelaide
2024 – Louie Montgomery (son of Brett)
2024 – Ky Burgoyne (son of Shaun)
2024 – Rome Burgoyne (son of Peter)
2024 – Oliver Francou (son of Josh)
St Kilda
2024 – Boston Everitt (son of Peter)
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I reckon we would have taken Curtin but maybe that's personal bias. Caddy''s sprint time did put me at ease though, I think if he does eke out another few centimetres he could be a genuine power forward, Essendon did well with that draft hand.
