#1 draft picks

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

I remember a few games when I just stood shaking my head as the Daffy, Cambpell, Knights era team would strut off the MCG with the sounds of the deluded faithful ringing in their ears, fist pumping and clapping the wonderful Tiger fans

Agree again, I always thought "cut out the carry-on and get off the ground". But I think it was more about the supporters than the players; many people get a buzz out of that sort of thing.

 

[evo]

The last time I felt really happy when we won, and I mean had a deep sense of satisfaction, was the 95 Semi Final. It was a semi final after all. And the Dons. The time before that was late 94 when when you could see that young side starting to gel with that late run. But even then, I knew we were gonna get whacked the next week, cos it was bleedin' obvious that we weren't good enough to go all the way. Sure I had fantasies that we would come out and pump the Cats but realistically I went to Waverley that day knowing we were goners. We all know the history since then. I remember a few games when I just stood shaking my head as the Daffy, Cambpell, Knights era team would strut off the MCG with the sounds of the deluded faithful ringing in their ears, fist pumping and clapping the wonderful Tiger fans, but we all knew that more likely than not when the side ran out the next week against any quality opposition, namely the Norths and Essendons of the time, and get well and truly put back in it's place. I didn't really feel anything much after our win this year because, well, what did it mean? Tivendale had a good game. Grrreeeat! I guess the bottom line is, I'm really starting to lose patience. I wanna see some results OFF the field i.e., I wanna start seeing the correct decisions made, and I wanna see an out and out champion play for this club again. Boy it's been a looong time since we had one of those.

I remember that Cats game only too well.That day was the begining of a long term rot that still seems to beset us to this day.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

I remember that Cats game only too well.That day was the begining of a long term rot that still seems to beset us to this day.

Got there early and sat in the pouring rain as Wirrpanda strutted his stuff in the curtain-raiser. Think we might've even kicked the first goal.

As we built towards an 11-1 record there was internal squabbling as to which people at the club deserved the credit for our resurgence, which all culminated in Northey walking. I'm not close to the club and only know because it reached the stage of being aired in the media.

 

[pokey]

Can someone please name one team that has won a flag through tanking? That's all I ask.

We truly have lost all hope as supporters if we are hanging our hopes on an 18 year old chosen as the 17th or 18th best player for his age in the country. Again I say it, delusional.

If we need a better recruitment department, then tanking hurts us even more. If we end the year as we have started, it will be even more challenging to get sponsors and members, leaving less money for our recruitment department.

Losing is a vicious cycle. Winning is a habit, let's get that habit.

 

[The_General]

If high draft picks don't matter Pokey, why's the kid in the picture of your avatar a first rounder?

We aren't hanging our hopes on an 18 year old who's the 17th or 18th best......you're not taking everything into consideration. We have some good picks already. We need to add more good picks to our list, as this list is thin from talent.

What we're saying is, for us to even get to the 2011 target, we need to start adding a lot of talent, and adding it quickly.

I'll describe it another way. We are a long way off the pace. We need to close the gap between us and the rest of the league. Extra draft picks are one way of doing that. The preseason draft and trades are the other 2. We've seen over the past couple of years, trades are becoming harder to do, and the preseason draft isn't really bringing any new talent from one club to the next. It's more a way for the mediocre players to move, rather than the stars. This basically means, unless you can get lucky with trades (and the polak deal to me is still undecided, as he's playing as a loose man in defence. I wanna see him play hard and close on a CHF), you have only the draft to close the gap.

 

[pokey]

If high draft picks don't matter Pokey, why's the kid in the picture of your avatar a first rounder?

We aren't hanging our hopes on an 18 year old who's the 17th or 18th best......you're not taking everything into consideration. We have some good picks already. We need to add more good picks to our list, as this list is thin from talent.

What we're saying is, for us to even get to the 2011 target, we need to start adding a lot of talent, and adding it quickly.

I'll describe it another way. We are a long way off the pace. We need to close the gap between us and the rest of the league. Extra draft picks are one way of doing that. The preseason draft and trades are the other 2. We've seen over the past couple of years, trades are becoming harder to do, and the preseason draft isn't really bringing any new talent from one club to the next. It's more a way for the mediocre players to move, rather than the stars. This basically means, unless you can get lucky with trades (and the polak deal to me is still undecided, as he's playing as a loose man in defence. I wanna see him play hard and close on a CHF), you have only the draft to close the gap.

Touche General. I'll be happy if they just rookie list the young fella then.

I certainly see the value in getting some extra talent on the list (who wouldn't?), but it's certainly not the only part of the solution and I hate the thought of continuing the losing culture that we have had for so long.

Trades are not the solution and we do need to be keeping hold of our young talent and picks, there is no debate with me on that one.

I've probably given my opinion enough on this one, so I'll allow others to give their valid, if differing opinions. I'll just leave this thread with a quote from Bryce Courtenay. "For every complex problem, there is a simple solution. And that simple solution is almost always wrong."

 

[the claw]

Can someone please name one team that has won a flag through tanking? That's all I ask.

We truly have lost all hope as supporters if we are hanging our hopes on an 18 year old chosen as the 17th or 18th best player for his age in the country. Again I say it, delusional.

If we need a better recruitment department, then tanking hurts us even more. If we end the year as we have started, it will be even more challenging to get sponsors and members, leaving less money for our recruitment department.

Losing is a vicious cycle. Winning is a habit, let's get that habit.

you ask what team has one a flag thru tanking which is not the point and the answer is none anyway. but what tanking has done for sides is give them the opportunity to play regular finals series where you are at least in the equation for a premiership.geelong stkilda wb brisbane coll pa syd all built lists on the back of poor seasons. before they built those lists they didnt have winning culture.it came after the lists were built. we are probably the only side to never have tanked and we cant finish higher than ninth aprt from 2yrs. sheshh 2 finals appearances in 25yrs mainly because we havent learnt how to operate in the nd system.

 

[Bill James]

Totals from the last 8 drafts. Clearly early picks are the percentage play over time.

Pick	Games Since Drafted	Duds <10 games
1	647	0
2	590	1
3	523	2
4	421	2
5	495	1
6	263	3
7	265	1
8	362	3
9	206	4
10	359	3
11	375	1
12	334	1
13	524	1
14	262	3
15	232	2
16	294	2
17	142	4
18	248	4
19	385	3
20	349	3
21	253	4
22	143	4
23	235	3
24	359	3
25	254	4
26	185	5
27	159	5
28	197	5
29	340	3
30	308	4
31	196	5
32	260	3
33	395	2
34	304	5
35	49	5
36	313	2
37	316	2
38	239	4
39	216	5
40	399	2
41	258	1
42	174	4
43	327	2
44	198	3
45	262	3
46	196	4
47	294	4
48	187	4
49	237	2
50	135	5

 

[nwonash]

you ask what team has one a flag thru tanking which is not the point and the answer is none anyway. but what tanking has done for sides is give them the opportunity to play regular finals series where you are at least in the equation for a premiership.geelong stkilda wb brisbane coll pa syd all built lists on the back of poor seasons. before they built those lists they didnt have winning culture.it came after the lists were built. we are probably the only side to never have tanked and we cant finish higher than ninth aprt from 2yrs. sheshh 2 finals appearances in 25yrs mainly because we havent learnt how to operate in the nd system.

Can't believe I am actually agreeing with a Claw post.

Too true my friend. Only if others could see your point also.

 

[Skills]

Draft picks? Tanking? I say, get those flamming picks inside 20 this year and get em again early (with less than 4.5 wins) next year. Are we afraid of fluctuating membership figures? Or watching Tivendale, Bowden & Richardson beating teams outside the eight?

 

[Tenacious Tiges]

we are probably the only side to never have tanked and we cant finish higher than ninth aprt from 2yrs. sheshh 2 finals appearances in 25yrs mainly because we havent learnt how to operate in the nd system.

Exactamundo!

 

[neeld]

The thing that gets me is that we arent the only 1s that missed out on Franklin. I believe the doggies had the #3 pick in the draft? Franklin #5? hmm, we aint the only ones that missed out now are we? Deledio I believe with time will be justified. If you look at what he has already acheived compared to recent form of Roughead and Franklin he has done more over the period than they, arguably Franklin.

 

[shawry]

The last time I felt really happy when we won, and I mean had a deep sense of satisfaction, was the 95 Semi Final. It was a semi final after all. And the Dons.

Yo juwerent happy after beating Carlton in the 2001 semi???????????

 

[Dyer'ere]

There is a radical idea in circulation on this thread- that we are tanking. I usually like radical ideas but this is just absurd.

At the end of this season if we score the wooden spoon we will be among the most needy recipients of draft assistance of all time. And even then we might end up with the #2 choice.

If by some miracle we won the rest of our games this season it would be a massive boon for the club. Now there's a radical notion.