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Re: Cousins charged by AFL bringing game into disrepute
They cant hold that charge up. things are going to get real interesting when Cousins gets back before the PSD
They cant hold that charge up. things are going to get real interesting when Cousins gets back before the PSD
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Not as much as it cost us, but that doesn't matter. The AFL have destroyed a tradition of the game that the majority of supporters now care more about high picks than avoiding the wooden spoon. In the history of professional sport no league has given bad teams so much incentive to not win games.
mb64 said:
Not as much as it cost us, but that doesn't matter. The AFL have destroyed a tradition of the game that the majority of supporters now care more about high picks than avoiding the wooden spoon. In the history of professional sport no league has given bad teams so much incentive to not win games.
Re: Cousins charged by AFL bringing game into disrepute
So, as someone pointed out, Cousins hasn't been found guilty by anyone yet, or tested positive for anything. Not defending him, just pointing it out. However, pratt has been found guilty,admitted guilt, been fined a record amount, but nothing from the afl. Why??
So, as someone pointed out, Cousins hasn't been found guilty by anyone yet, or tested positive for anything. Not defending him, just pointing it out. However, pratt has been found guilty,admitted guilt, been fined a record amount, but nothing from the afl. Why??
Re: Cousins charged by AFL bringing game into disrepute
The game will be in disrepute because a genuinely classy player is about to fall into the PSD for the first time ever.
The game will be in disrepute because a genuinely classy player is about to fall into the PSD for the first time ever.
Re: Cousins charged by AFL bringing game into disrepute
Andrew Demetriou should be charged for bringing the game into disrepute.
he's a *smile*.
Andrew Demetriou should be charged for bringing the game into disrepute.
he's a *smile*.
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Re: Cousins charged by AFL bringing game into disrepute
Personally I think for the AFL to bring a charge against Cousins is stupid when there own drug policy was not capable of identifiying this problem when it was probably a matter of choice for Ben rather than an addiction. This is a point I have made all along regarding drugs. The AFL and the players association are negligent in their policy because their contracted players and members are in an at risk category (lots of money, lots of spare time, lots of attention from seedy folks, young etc) and the policy is designed not to catch and rectify such behavioral issues. However once it goes past behaviour choice and becomes addicition they throw the book at him. Absolutely stupid.
Simple Pratt is not a contracted by the AFL nor breached a rule/policy/guideline of the AFL. Cousins works under a contract at least ratified by the AFL which includes terms such as media obligations, public behaviour etc included in the contract. Not defending Pratt just answering the question.Legends of 1980 said:
Personally I think for the AFL to bring a charge against Cousins is stupid when there own drug policy was not capable of identifiying this problem when it was probably a matter of choice for Ben rather than an addiction. This is a point I have made all along regarding drugs. The AFL and the players association are negligent in their policy because their contracted players and members are in an at risk category (lots of money, lots of spare time, lots of attention from seedy folks, young etc) and the policy is designed not to catch and rectify such behavioral issues. However once it goes past behaviour choice and becomes addicition they throw the book at him. Absolutely stupid.
Re: Cousins charged by AFL bringing game into disrepute
Pratt wears a suit so he must be above board.
Pre-emptive strike from The Fonz - put Cousins out before the draft and court case, and circumvent any push from the AFLPA to allow him to play.
Legends of 1980 said:
Pratt wears a suit so he must be above board.
Pre-emptive strike from The Fonz - put Cousins out before the draft and court case, and circumvent any push from the AFLPA to allow him to play.
Re: Cousins charged by AFL bringing game into disrepute
Spot on DDT ! Why didn't the AFL (who gave the all clear on Cousins' return) speak to this guy before approving his return....
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22610995-662,00.html
The AFL have brought this upon themselves and now they are trying to save face....
DirtyDogTiger said:
Spot on DDT ! Why didn't the AFL (who gave the all clear on Cousins' return) speak to this guy before approving his return....
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22610995-662,00.html
The AFL have brought this upon themselves and now they are trying to save face....
Re: Cousins charged by AFL bringing game into disrepute
Sorry a players personal life is HIS personal life! At the end of the day this is a FOOTBALL competition not a application for SAINTHOOD!
He has not failed a AFL drug test, has no strikes. Has been drunk on numerous occasions, but since when is alcohol illegal.
Sorry but unless a player has a jail sentence then why shouldn't they be able to play in AFL?
He is a free man and is innocent till proven guilty. Bringing the game into disripute is just as bad as the hands in the back rule!
I hope Ben Cousins sues the crap outta the AFL and forces the resignation of ADOLF!
Sorry a players personal life is HIS personal life! At the end of the day this is a FOOTBALL competition not a application for SAINTHOOD!
He has not failed a AFL drug test, has no strikes. Has been drunk on numerous occasions, but since when is alcohol illegal.
Sorry but unless a player has a jail sentence then why shouldn't they be able to play in AFL?
He is a free man and is innocent till proven guilty. Bringing the game into disripute is just as bad as the hands in the back rule!
I hope Ben Cousins sues the crap outta the AFL and forces the resignation of ADOLF!
Re: Cousins charged by AFL bringing game into disrepute
If this happens then Cousins may go to the courts and immediately place an injunction on the AFL to stop the PSD until his court case against the AFL is heard. It could get very interesting. THE AFL does not want the PSD to be delayed, but as I read it Cuz would be within his rights to apply for an injunction to stop it if he was suspended by the AFL.
If this happens then Cousins may go to the courts and immediately place an injunction on the AFL to stop the PSD until his court case against the AFL is heard. It could get very interesting. THE AFL does not want the PSD to be delayed, but as I read it Cuz would be within his rights to apply for an injunction to stop it if he was suspended by the AFL.
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Spot on Bill. The AFL have continually preached rehabilitation as the cornerstone of their drug Policy and protected the identity of players claiming its Policy is about rehabilitation rather than punishment, yet now they seek to punish Cousins who has confessed to a substance abuse problem. But the big question is what have they done to assist him in his rehab since those admissions. Not a lot it seems. There is no consistency in the implemtation of their policies.
Bill James said:
Spot on Bill. The AFL have continually preached rehabilitation as the cornerstone of their drug Policy and protected the identity of players claiming its Policy is about rehabilitation rather than punishment, yet now they seek to punish Cousins who has confessed to a substance abuse problem. But the big question is what have they done to assist him in his rehab since those admissions. Not a lot it seems. There is no consistency in the implemtation of their policies.
Re: Cousins charged by AFL bringing game into disrepute
The Ben Cousins circus rolls on. Bizarre.
The Ben Cousins circus rolls on. Bizarre.
Re: Cousins charged by AFL bringing game into disrepute
I know there have been plenty of incidences with others, but if they wanted to nip it in the bud they should of charged Ben with bringing the game into disripute when he did the runner from the booze bus. He deserves sympathy for his addiction but not a free ride.
I know there have been plenty of incidences with others, but if they wanted to nip it in the bud they should of charged Ben with bringing the game into disripute when he did the runner from the booze bus. He deserves sympathy for his addiction but not a free ride.
Re: Cousins charged by AFL bringing game into disrepute
Scapegoat or not, the AFL just made their intentions clear to every player in the AFL.
Shape up or else.
Scapegoat or not, the AFL just made their intentions clear to every player in the AFL.
Shape up or else.
Re: Cousins charged by AFL bringing game into disrepute
Exactly old man. They now have to be consistent in their approach and apply the same rules to all AFL players and there will be no issue.
Tigers of Old said:
Exactly old man. They now have to be consistent in their approach and apply the same rules to all AFL players and there will be no issue.
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As far as I am aware Ben has never been found to have breached AFL rules on illicit drugs and neither has he been previously convicted of any drug related offence. He has indicated his wish to deal with his ?? problems and continue his career.
We are his most likely home and up until this evening it looked like he was coming to us for nothing. Not so clear now but while we dither the value of our first pick in the PSD is being ripped off.
Time for us to be speaking with Ben, his family and the AFL and making our interest (in recruiting Ben in the PSD and helping with his rehabilitation,) known, both privately and publicly. Now is the opportunity for Gary March and his committee to show they have some gumption.
There is no way that Ben should be excluded from the PSD, when he has yet to be proven guilty of anything or doesn't the presumption of innocence mean anything any more?
As far as I am aware Ben has never been found to have breached AFL rules on illicit drugs and neither has he been previously convicted of any drug related offence. He has indicated his wish to deal with his ?? problems and continue his career.
We are his most likely home and up until this evening it looked like he was coming to us for nothing. Not so clear now but while we dither the value of our first pick in the PSD is being ripped off.
Time for us to be speaking with Ben, his family and the AFL and making our interest (in recruiting Ben in the PSD and helping with his rehabilitation,) known, both privately and publicly. Now is the opportunity for Gary March and his committee to show they have some gumption.
There is no way that Ben should be excluded from the PSD, when he has yet to be proven guilty of anything or doesn't the presumption of innocence mean anything any more?
Re: Cousins charged by AFL bringing game into disrepute
Matthew Lloyd should be the one charged with bringing the game into disrepute.So too KB and the rest of his rules commitee for the push in the back/ touching the arms attrocity.
We haven't heard the last of Teflon Benny just yet.
Matthew Lloyd should be the one charged with bringing the game into disrepute.So too KB and the rest of his rules commitee for the push in the back/ touching the arms attrocity.
We haven't heard the last of Teflon Benny just yet.
Re: Cousins charged by AFL bringing game into disrepute
I find it amusing people are getting so het up about Ben Cousins either way. We don't know the terms of his contract or his AFL registration and wouldn't have a clue about what would constitute a breach or not. Ben would have known the terms though so I hope he had the sense not to breach them if he wants to play again.
I find it amusing people are getting so het up about Ben Cousins either way. We don't know the terms of his contract or his AFL registration and wouldn't have a clue about what would constitute a breach or not. Ben would have known the terms though so I hope he had the sense not to breach them if he wants to play again.
Re: Cousins charged by AFL bringing game into disrepute
Rosy,
It has to be the case that Ben was registered on the same terms as everyone else, or else the AFLPA would have rightly responded to what would have been a re-write of their agreement on player registration with the AFL. Ben's employment contract with WC however no doubt included much more rigerous provisions than you would find in the average contract. W C's remedy for breach was to sack Ben which they have done and for which Ben, if he feels aggrieved, may sue.
By charging him now, with bringing the game into disrepute Demetriou is attempting to manipulate the process so that a penalty may be imposed on Ben, which involves his right to future employment. Surely he has an obligation to wait to see if an outstanding drug related charge, is proven before he takes the draconian step of interfering with Ben's future employment rights.
Don't let your views about Ben joining Richmond, cloud your thoughts on what Demetriou is seeking to do here. The fact is that Demetriou is nothing more than a school yard bully who lacks the capacities to hold the job that he has. His recent attempts to bully North with the threat of go to Gold Coast or else, is just another in a long list of examples.
Rosy,
It has to be the case that Ben was registered on the same terms as everyone else, or else the AFLPA would have rightly responded to what would have been a re-write of their agreement on player registration with the AFL. Ben's employment contract with WC however no doubt included much more rigerous provisions than you would find in the average contract. W C's remedy for breach was to sack Ben which they have done and for which Ben, if he feels aggrieved, may sue.
By charging him now, with bringing the game into disrepute Demetriou is attempting to manipulate the process so that a penalty may be imposed on Ben, which involves his right to future employment. Surely he has an obligation to wait to see if an outstanding drug related charge, is proven before he takes the draconian step of interfering with Ben's future employment rights.
Don't let your views about Ben joining Richmond, cloud your thoughts on what Demetriou is seeking to do here. The fact is that Demetriou is nothing more than a school yard bully who lacks the capacities to hold the job that he has. His recent attempts to bully North with the threat of go to Gold Coast or else, is just another in a long list of examples.
