This is why I don't think its a good idea to load up on talls with draft picks because many will fail and you pay a high price for that failure. Load up rookie positions where the cost of failure isnt that great. Or I have seen a number of teams, trade excess of smaller players for taller players once they've matured a bit. Or start visiting basketball games - k thats a long shot. If there are talls not taken then they can be taken as rookies right? Low cost. I see where you are coming from though.the claw said:
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Thats not a bad strategy goodone, not sure if more talls fail, but apart from the standouts, they do seem to be a bit harder to spot so rookies are probably not much worse than mid to late picks.GoodOne said:
Only problem with not using high picks on higher quality talls means you end up with Limbachs, Cartledges, Moores and Silvesters and Vardys instead of Nathan Browns, Alex Rances, Paddy RYders and Buddy Franklins.
I know who id rather build my list around.
High quality talls are more likely to make it than speccy types.
This is an area the RFC has been hurt time and time again, may i also refer to the Fiora / Pavlich debacle
Heres what we couldve had of recent if we select obvious misses ie Franklin, Pavlich, Selwood, N Brown , Hurn and even Cam Wood last trade or instead of Meyer, Bling and Riewoldt/Polak and Jon
Heres a 2008 / 2009 line up
B Thursfield N Brown King
HB Hurn Rance Bowden
C Deledio Coughlan Newman
HF Brown Pavlich Cotchin
F Edwards Richo Franklin
Simmonds - Connors - Foley
Inter from - Wood, Tuck, Hughes, Johnson, Selwood, Polo, Pattison, Casserly, Raines, Pettifer, Jackson etc etc
In my mind thats a damn sight better a side than the one we got at the moment.
Our recruiting and trading has hurt us and has been poor.
I will make one concession with this side and that is one M Pavlich who i strongly doubt would still be at the RFC if we hadve taken him instead of muppet arms anyway.
Id have money that he'd have probably left RFC by now anyway and be back in Adelaide
I know who id rather build my list around.
High quality talls are more likely to make it than speccy types.
This is an area the RFC has been hurt time and time again, may i also refer to the Fiora / Pavlich debacle
Heres what we couldve had of recent if we select obvious misses ie Franklin, Pavlich, Selwood, N Brown , Hurn and even Cam Wood last trade or instead of Meyer, Bling and Riewoldt/Polak and Jon
Heres a 2008 / 2009 line up
B Thursfield N Brown King
HB Hurn Rance Bowden
C Deledio Coughlan Newman
HF Brown Pavlich Cotchin
F Edwards Richo Franklin
Simmonds - Connors - Foley
Inter from - Wood, Tuck, Hughes, Johnson, Selwood, Polo, Pattison, Casserly, Raines, Pettifer, Jackson etc etc
In my mind thats a damn sight better a side than the one we got at the moment.
Our recruiting and trading has hurt us and has been poor.
I will make one concession with this side and that is one M Pavlich who i strongly doubt would still be at the RFC if we hadve taken him instead of muppet arms anyway.
Id have money that he'd have probably left RFC by now anyway and be back in Adelaide
Yep but id prefer 2.
Tall 195cm superquick and agile long kicking Full Backs dont fall from the sky you know. Along with Rance and THursty is an instant 10 year backline with agility, skill and height, thus no need for lesser skilled smaller types that are not overly exciting as far as im concerned in regard to long term success and structure such as Moore and McGuane
Id have happily taken this kid ahead of Riewoldt, in fact i was hoping we would until they swapped the pick for Polak.
Nathan Brown, Franklin, Selwood, Cam Wood , Hurn and Pavlich (who we couldve had instead of Muppet Arms )@!!@%^^@@@ Frawley will never forgive him for that one.
or
Tambling , Meyer, JON, Riewoldt, Sanchez and Polak
geez i know which id prefer.
What is so sad sad is that could easily have been the case for the Tigers and even more sad when you add recent draftees in Cotchin, Rance, Connors, Casserly, Putt, and Edwards wed have a list to be the envy of others instead of being a laughing stock.
I gotta have another lie down this is killing me.
Tall 195cm superquick and agile long kicking Full Backs dont fall from the sky you know. Along with Rance and THursty is an instant 10 year backline with agility, skill and height, thus no need for lesser skilled smaller types that are not overly exciting as far as im concerned in regard to long term success and structure such as Moore and McGuane
Id have happily taken this kid ahead of Riewoldt, in fact i was hoping we would until they swapped the pick for Polak.
Nathan Brown, Franklin, Selwood, Cam Wood , Hurn and Pavlich (who we couldve had instead of Muppet Arms )@!!@%^^@@@ Frawley will never forgive him for that one.
or
Tambling , Meyer, JON, Riewoldt, Sanchez and Polak
geez i know which id prefer.
What is so sad sad is that could easily have been the case for the Tigers and even more sad when you add recent draftees in Cotchin, Rance, Connors, Casserly, Putt, and Edwards wed have a list to be the envy of others instead of being a laughing stock.
I gotta have another lie down this is killing me.
Not trying to be harsh but hindsight certainly is a wonderful thing. Pick the players that have performed the best as the players we could have picked up. Now is time to pick up the talls, we have the nucleus for a great midfield and daresay it flankers. We need to ensure we have the likes of Richo and Simmonds covered. That is what we need to know focus on.
Tis not hindsight i am pretty sure i sooked it up draft days when we missed Franklin and Brown in their drafts and then took Jon at 8 in his.
I wasnt angry we took Richie T but i still wanted Franklin and Lids.
I think it was three drafts in a row i had fits of blood spitting, which i didnt have last year however i was furious and still am over the Sanchez travesty.
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I wasnt angry we took Richie T but i still wanted Franklin and Lids.
I think it was three drafts in a row i had fits of blood spitting, which i didnt have last year however i was furious and still am over the Sanchez travesty.
;D ;D
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Clever drafting would not have obtained a list as i have put together above.
Common sense and safe drafting wouldve achieved it.
Franklin was the only risk but geez he was that highly rated he was worth the risk.
Good charcters or nice guys level headed boys are introverted types and the Tigers are full of introverts who are followers this club has no leaders with spunk and bravado.
Hopefully Foley and King can get this area under repair. Riewoldt has a bit of cockiness too as does Connors Extroverts are needed at Tigerland.
I wouldn't have minded Franklin or Roughhead at the time. Franklin has always been a star in the making and has definitely performed better than Tambling so far. Still feel that Tambling has alot more improvement in him. The only issue with Franklin is his mind, which is not a problem whilst he keeps kicking bags of goals. Roughhead was always going to take longer to perform but is startring to come on. Kicked 3 goals in 5 of the last 7 games he played last year and again opening round this year.
There are points i agree with craig and claw in regards to talls but i differ on one thing, id rather build a midfield nucleus first then talls, thats just my way of thinking...
Premiership sides of recent yrs have been build on great midfielders,
Brisbane: Voss, Lappin, Black, Acker, Power
Eagles: Judd, Kerr, Cousins, Embley, Braun etc
Cats: Bartel, Ablett, Ling, etc
We are developing a very young midfield group, not including tuck, johno or cogs...
Lids, Foley, Bling, Cotch, Edwards, Connors, Polo, Jackson, Collins, and another 1 or 2 hard nuts adding to this mix in the next draft and we'll have a 10 nucleus of rotating midfielders...
Contrary to some id rather have a Polak/Riewoldt combination than Ben Reid, who went no 8 to the pies.
Think Putt, Rance, Gourdis, Graham is a start which i agree with some should've started a few yrs back. I think our next 2 drafts have to be predominately on key talls with a few strong bodied midfielders adding to the mix, no more flankers as we have enough.
On Cam Wood, he's shown me nothing in 3 yrs to change my opinion of him, now thats not to say that he wont come good as he is only 21 but definitely not worth pic 14 IMO.
Still think tambling will be a very good player for us and it wont be anything like the comparison of Fiora and Pav, like craig said muppet arms was a blunder, absolutely.
In 2005 i wanted Hurn instead of JON as he had a ready made body and was strong. Also didnt mind birchall and clarke at the time.
Premiership sides of recent yrs have been build on great midfielders,
Brisbane: Voss, Lappin, Black, Acker, Power
Eagles: Judd, Kerr, Cousins, Embley, Braun etc
Cats: Bartel, Ablett, Ling, etc
We are developing a very young midfield group, not including tuck, johno or cogs...
Lids, Foley, Bling, Cotch, Edwards, Connors, Polo, Jackson, Collins, and another 1 or 2 hard nuts adding to this mix in the next draft and we'll have a 10 nucleus of rotating midfielders...
Contrary to some id rather have a Polak/Riewoldt combination than Ben Reid, who went no 8 to the pies.
Think Putt, Rance, Gourdis, Graham is a start which i agree with some should've started a few yrs back. I think our next 2 drafts have to be predominately on key talls with a few strong bodied midfielders adding to the mix, no more flankers as we have enough.
On Cam Wood, he's shown me nothing in 3 yrs to change my opinion of him, now thats not to say that he wont come good as he is only 21 but definitely not worth pic 14 IMO.
Still think tambling will be a very good player for us and it wont be anything like the comparison of Fiora and Pav, like craig said muppet arms was a blunder, absolutely.
In 2005 i wanted Hurn instead of JON as he had a ready made body and was strong. Also didnt mind birchall and clarke at the time.
The misses out weigh most hits especially when
Deledio and Tambling and or Franklin with picks 1 and 3 was a no brainer. Anyone on this site coulda gone in to the draft that day and call out two of those 3 names .
Cotchin after Kreuzer last year likewise whilst Rance at 18 was nothing short of good luck as opposed to good planning. If Rance was gone then we wouldve taken Selwood thus de stabilised the list structure even more as one less tall.
Jon was a mistake i am starting to believe and to only take he Casserly and Cleve in that draft was very poor.
Deledio and Tambling and or Franklin with picks 1 and 3 was a no brainer. Anyone on this site coulda gone in to the draft that day and call out two of those 3 names .
Cotchin after Kreuzer last year likewise whilst Rance at 18 was nothing short of good luck as opposed to good planning. If Rance was gone then we wouldve taken Selwood thus de stabilised the list structure even more as one less tall.
Jon was a mistake i am starting to believe and to only take he Casserly and Cleve in that draft was very poor.
hindsight most of us let it be known or worked outwho we prefer and where well before the nd starts.from pick 2 to 50 i knew exactly my order of preference and options for each of our picksGoodOne said:
without looking at my notes my preference was cotchin at 2 i seriously considered masten at 2. morton did not come into it. 18 was pears or collier when rance was still there we had to take him.
i wanted pears or collier at 19. i wanted to keep 35 cant recall the players i had penclled in around this pick i dont really rate morton and i gave my reasons why.
i was prepared to trade pick 28 for schulz.with 28 i wanted levi greenwood.all of renton putt and sullivan were in the mix for 35 i think i had mcginnity pencilled in at 35 when mcginnity was still there still i wanted to use pick 64on him was happy to take gourdis psd but had mcginnity in my sights still.also had the more mature wilkes in my sights for the rookie/psd.and also considered sampi for a longwhile as well. .and had renton putt pencilled in for pick 51 along with sullivan.
i felt both renton or sullivan should have been our first rookie pick was hoping we would look at wilkes a 21 yo from wce. luke casey- leigh was another i had my eye on at rookie time.
draft day if it was down to me it would have been 3 mids one of quality cotchin 2 one big battering ram greenwood 28 and one quick inside type mcginnity 35. 2 kpds rance18 and pears 19. 2 ruckmen putt 51 renton 64/sullivan (r) 1 kpf gourdis psd and would have wilkes and 3 other young rookies mainly talls.although i have to say i was happy to see them give collard a go.
oh another i had pencilled in around 19 was vespremi. i didnt expect either selwood or rance to go where they did.i dont think many did.allof these kids were sorted pre draft some didnt get drafted at all some slipped like rance.some like vespremi went earlier than expected. some went in the psd and some went as rookies.
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Got a lot of spare time there Billy but there you go.
I remembered liking both of them and i did.
But crivens how wrong was i and most others at the time re the Hawx cos i recall PRE skiting and sniping at them yet that has come back to bite.
Kudos to them.
Actually it was the jon draft i cut up rough big time cos i wanted Clark i think or talls.
I remembered liking both of them and i did.
But crivens how wrong was i and most others at the time re the Hawx cos i recall PRE skiting and sniping at them yet that has come back to bite.
Kudos to them.
Actually it was the jon draft i cut up rough big time cos i wanted Clark i think or talls.