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2003 - Another Underperforming year

sgloury

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Aug 9, 2003
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With the 2003 season now completed, I can only ponder at what a disappointing year it has been.

Clearly the most disappointing aspect has been the fact that Richmond lost 13 out of their last 14 matches. Yes that is right 13 out of 14. If it wasn't for the fact that we started so well with 6 wins from our first 8 matches we would atleast be enjoying a priority draft pick right now.

Whilst we may not have the strongest list in the AFL with players on our list the quality of Ottens, Coughlan, Johnson, Campbell, Richardson, Gaspar, Chaffey, Kelleway, Stafford, Tivendale, Bowden, Rodan, Blumfield, Cameron, Newman, Krakouer and Fiora we have a far better list than our performances indicate. It is probably fair to say that with some of the talent in the Richmond team, that our side has been the most disappointing side in the AFL this year. Atleast the Bulldogs and Carlton have an excuse as to why they have performed so poorly.

Realistically we don't have any genuine excuses?

You can claim that injuries hurt us but somehow we managed to cover injured players in the first 8 weeks and thereafter we had a reasonably good run with injuries.

Losing 4 games by less than 7 points also hurts particularly when you are in front in 3 of them with a minute to go but hey good sides win the close ones.

A few things to me are obvious.

Firstly our worst 8 to 12 players on our list are not up to scratch and rarely if ever perform. You can only hope that there is some sense at the club and that Biddiscombe, King, Mills, Pettifer, Dragicevic, Houlihan, Rogers, Vardy etc are delisted.

Secondly of the quality players listed above that we do have, very rarely do they all gel together on the one day. How often do you see Richo, Johnson, Ottens, Stafford and Tivendale all fire up on the one day? That is not to be critical of the individuals I have just mentioned but all too often only one of these players will play a very good game.

Thirdly Danny Frawley for the past two years has not got the best out of the players at his disposal. You take a look at a side like Collingwood. Realistically their list is not that much stronger than ours. Both our list and their list is still essentially the same as Round 1 in 2002 when the Tigers smashed the Pies at the MCG. The big difference that I can see is that Malthouse has moulded a team that has leadership, that plays for each other, that is super displined and that believes in itself.

Richmond on the other hand has ordinary leadership, does not play for each other, has poor discipline (how many costly 50M penalties did we give this year) and has little or no belief in itself. As a result, Richmond languishes down in the bottom four for the second year in a row and Collingwood are right there in the mix for a second year in a row.

The hope that I do hang onto is that hopefully there is some coach out there that we will appoint that can get the best out of the current playing list. Because I refuse to believe that the quality of players on our list is that bad that we should be losing 13 out of our last 14 matches.
 
Great post YT. While our list isn't anywhere near up to standard, our top 20 or so players are far from worst in the league.

I agree they should have won more games than they did.

There must be a reason they never fire as a team. There will be a couple in the best players one week, then they lay down the following week while someone else has a crack.

There seems to be no real team spirit and passion in the team.

Yesterday they ran out flat as tacks. They didn't come out to play at all. People post about the Bryan Martin/Jason McCartney kind of games and say the emotion teams get from that kind of occasion only lasts 10 minutes or so.

With the build up our guys had and the momentous occasion, they didn't come out with the passion for even one minute.

I really question Spud's coaching yesterday.

The very start of the game he went negative with Chaff a loose man on the defensive 50. They took full advantage of the situation and it killed us.

In my opinion we needed to go out attacking and with belief.

The third quarter showed what we were capable of if we go fast and direct. It was actually good football to watch for a little while there.

When I mentioned that in the chatroom last night someone joked that Spud's phone must have broken down in the 3rd quarter and he couldn't get his message to the players.

I fear a negative losing culture has been ingrained in our players and I feel for any new kids coming through.

It has to change, the team needs leadership and self belief.
 
Young Tiger said:
Realistically we don't have any genuine excuses?

You can claim that injuries hurt us but somehow we managed to cover injured players in the first 8 weeks and thereafter we had a reasonably good run with injuries.

but you gotta realise that after *smile* and campbo got injured, we kept on losing after that. when both of them were playing, we were doing really well. out of those two players, though, the player that really hurt us was *smile*. there was no main defender - andy kellaway basically did all the hard work himself. when *smile* was in, we had a couple of key defenders, but ever since he got injured, our backline has weakened dramatically.
 
I would raise the question. Take out most captains and then your number 1 defender out of every team in the competition and see how they go. Would they struggle the way the Tigers did?

The answer some would and some wouldn't. Those that wouldn't are those that have depth. Look at Brisbane - if they lost Voss for half a season would they struggle - yes but not the degree Richmond does. That's because they have Black, Ackermanis, Lappin, Power to backup. Lose one of them and you have the likes of Copeland waiting around for an opportunity. Brisbane lose Leppitcsh and they have a Micheal or even White to cover.

We lose Cambo and we have the likes of Hyde, King and pettifer to fill the breach. We lost *smile* and we had no-one who stood up and so it was left to Andy Kellaway.

We lack depth and unless our second tier group are playing to their absolute maximum we are always going to struggle. And then even if they are playing their very best - their skills are nowhere near the likes of the Brisbane, Essendon or Port Adeliade's second tier players.

Excuses? IMO - No unfortunate facts about the state of our list.
 
I have no doubt that losing Gaspar in the Kangaroos game hurt us badly.

However we can't use losing Gaspar and Campbell as an excuse for losing 13 out of our last 14 games.

Take a look at Port Adelaide. They have been without two of their best players all year in captain and ruckman Matthew Primus and Brownlow Medal placegetter Josh Francou. Yet they have bonded together and still finished on top of the ladder 3 games clear of their nearest rivals.

I don't care which players we had out. Injuries are not a reasonable excuse for losing 13 out of the last 14 matches.

Spud is lucky that we lost 13 out of the last 14 and not 13 out of the first 14.
 
Young Tiger said:
Take a look at Port Adelaide. They have been without two of their best players all year in captain and ruckman Matthew Primus and Brownlow Medal placegetter Josh Francou. Yet they have bonded together and still finished on top of the ladder 3 games clear of their nearest rivals.

Exactly - great example - look at the Port list compared to ours. How many of our second tier players would get a game at Port - none, zippo, zilch, 0.

Look a their second tier players and say how many of them would get a game for us. I'd argue most of them. Guerra, Kane Cornes, Montgomery, Poulton - they'd all get a game at Richmond. Hyde, King, Pettifer, Biddescombe would not get a game at the Port Magpies let alone the Power

I am not saying the injuries are an excuse - what the injuries did was expose a problem that we have had for a number of years - a lack of depth.
 
The most frustrating thing is that we have finished bottom 4, but havent developed any kids

If we had finished bottom four, and Schulz, McGrath, Hyde had played 15 games each, they would start next year with some AFL footy under their belts, as it is, they will be basically rookies again next year
 
I am not saying the injuries are an excuse - what the injuries did was expose a problem that we have had for a number of years - a lack of depth.

Spot on KL, we have no depth. We've probably got 13-15 players who are up to playing AFL football at a consistent high level. That is why when we delist some of our "fringe" players who only get a game due to injuries (ie King, Bidders, Nicholls, Hyde, Mills, Vardy, Houlihan) we can't replace all of them with kids from the U18s. Hence the club is looking to recruit players in teh 21-24 category from other clubs to improve our depth. Lets hope that the players they select are better then some of the players we have chosen in the past.
 
KL - I agree with your comments - we have no depth.
You will note from my original submission that I highlighted that our bottom 8 to 12 players are not up to scratch.

However I still believe that with the players that we did have available that we should have done better over the last 14 matches than what we actually did. Just in the same way that we performed above expectations in the first 8 weeks, in the last 14 weeks we definitely underachieved.
 
Young Tiger said:
However I still believe that with the players that we did have available that we should have done better over the last 14 matches than what we actually did. Just in the same way that we performed above expectations in the first 8 weeks, in the last 14 weeks we definitely underachieved.

I thought at the start of the season - we could make the 8 if everything went our way YT. One of those things was no injuries to our key players. The rot set in (IMO) when we lost Cambo. The result of the games we lost mis-season by a couple of kicks would have different if he had of been there. A cool head in the dying minutes when the games in the balance - is what we needed.

But 'what if's" don't count do they?

If we had finished 10-12 or 9-13 with all the injuries would that have been under acheiving? I can honestly say with our list in 2003 I don't know.

Great post by the way Young Tiger
 
Cambo carrying the club? What he is Wayne Carey!!! If Cambo carried the club since 96, says alot for him as we have been a rabble for 6 out of 7 years.
The first move that spud should make is strip Cambo of the captaincy. Time to move away from the loyal servants who have kept us down the bottom. Good riddans!!!