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2008 draft profiles
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Harry said:
Yeah, I'm keen on Sibosado at 58
and Sharples at 74 (if Hislop is gone)
don't know where they are rated and if there is any chance of them getting to those picks
Was hoping for Mitch Brown at 58 but now it seems like he might not even be there at pick 26?
Hopefully Mitch will be similar to Stefan Martin where he was an expected bolter in the 06 draft but was not even drafted that year IIRC
Don't know much bout Cockie but if DD says he is good then I'm in
Fair old write up on Rich in the HS. (Note: you can get discount roast chickens in the HS today too. Awesome.)
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24683176-19742,00.html
Interest in WA youngster Daniel Rich
Jon Anderson | November 21, 2008 12:00am
WELCOME to the world of AFL draft vernacular, where inside means tough and outside means petrified. Inside and outside players are just two of the many terms you will hear leading up to tomorrow week's 24th National AFL draft.
To illustrate the nature of the draft, and the thousands of verbal assessments muttered about 70-80 teenagers, let's take someone certain to be an early selection this year.
Daniel Rich, the brilliant Subiaco on-baller who has been playing successfully at senior level since 2007, has long been seen as part of a top-three trifecta made up of himself, tall Sandringham forward Jack Watts and Fijian-born West Australian jumping bean Nicholas Naitanui.
Suddenly that may not be the case with slight doubts cast over Rich's endurance and suggestions Fremantle are wavering towards Indigenous "outside runner" Stephen Hill with pick No. 3, given that Melbourne appears committed to Watts and West Coast to Naitanui.
And Rich may not be that disappointed given his preference was always said to be West Coast and moving interstate does not daunt him.
Another reason Fremantle may not select Rich is because of the presence of 2008 NAB Rising Star Rhys Palmer and Garrick Ibbotson in the Dockers' midfield plus the anticipated return of Paul Hasleby from a knee reconstruction.
Early beep tests (10.7) suggested a query on endurance, although that was from Rich's time at the AIS in January, 2007.
He has since increased that test to 13.01, which while passable is a fair way from the elite midfield runners.
But his 2.95sec for 20m suggest he is clearly quick enough for AFL level.
Such is the physiological testing done on the youngsters these days, that there have even been concerns raised about the length of his arms, prompting some recruiters to question whether his aerial skills will be below par in the more competitive AFL arena.
He also is perceived by some as having a mature body, meaning there may be minimal room for development compared to some youngsters who are yet to hit the weight room.
But one AFL recruiting manager contacted yesterday (he didn't want to be quoted but how many do a week out from the draft?) said clubs that ignore Rich early on will do so at their own peril.
"Jack Watts could be anything and Nicholas Naitanui is so far from his best it's impossible to tell where he will end," was his assessment.
"But for pure skill and displayed form, Daniel Rich is the most talented boy in the draft, just ahead of Hamish Hartlett."
If Rich is ignored by the Dockers, and given he is a Perth youngster it would be a massive call, then it's possible he could even slip through to pick six.
Port Adelaide's believed desire is for Hartlett, while Essendon, with pick No. 5, is expected to go for a key position player with Mal Michael retired and Dustin Fletcher, Matthew Lloyd and Scott Lucas not that far away from doing so.
That player would be Tyrone Vickery, leaving the Blues to have the luxury of adding Rich to a midfield containing Chris Judd, Mark Murphy, Nick Stevens and Bryce Gibbs.
Rich may well be the longest and most penetrating kick of that quartet (think Luke Hodge) which must be mouth-watering for Carlton full-forward Brendan Fevola.
But as good as Rich is, when it comes to the draft, and the way he is discussed, he's just another potential piece in the jigsaw.
His ability is such that most said about him is positive yet there are always room for negatives, even with the game's greats.
And don't forget it's only two years ago that a young Bendigo boy, originally touted as a potential No. 1 pick, slipped through to No. 7, and went on to play in a premiership side in his first season.
There's quite a few clubs wishing they'd taken Joel Selwood these days.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24683176-19742,00.html
Interest in WA youngster Daniel Rich
Jon Anderson | November 21, 2008 12:00am
WELCOME to the world of AFL draft vernacular, where inside means tough and outside means petrified. Inside and outside players are just two of the many terms you will hear leading up to tomorrow week's 24th National AFL draft.
To illustrate the nature of the draft, and the thousands of verbal assessments muttered about 70-80 teenagers, let's take someone certain to be an early selection this year.
Daniel Rich, the brilliant Subiaco on-baller who has been playing successfully at senior level since 2007, has long been seen as part of a top-three trifecta made up of himself, tall Sandringham forward Jack Watts and Fijian-born West Australian jumping bean Nicholas Naitanui.
Suddenly that may not be the case with slight doubts cast over Rich's endurance and suggestions Fremantle are wavering towards Indigenous "outside runner" Stephen Hill with pick No. 3, given that Melbourne appears committed to Watts and West Coast to Naitanui.
And Rich may not be that disappointed given his preference was always said to be West Coast and moving interstate does not daunt him.
Another reason Fremantle may not select Rich is because of the presence of 2008 NAB Rising Star Rhys Palmer and Garrick Ibbotson in the Dockers' midfield plus the anticipated return of Paul Hasleby from a knee reconstruction.
Early beep tests (10.7) suggested a query on endurance, although that was from Rich's time at the AIS in January, 2007.
He has since increased that test to 13.01, which while passable is a fair way from the elite midfield runners.
But his 2.95sec for 20m suggest he is clearly quick enough for AFL level.
Such is the physiological testing done on the youngsters these days, that there have even been concerns raised about the length of his arms, prompting some recruiters to question whether his aerial skills will be below par in the more competitive AFL arena.
He also is perceived by some as having a mature body, meaning there may be minimal room for development compared to some youngsters who are yet to hit the weight room.
But one AFL recruiting manager contacted yesterday (he didn't want to be quoted but how many do a week out from the draft?) said clubs that ignore Rich early on will do so at their own peril.
"Jack Watts could be anything and Nicholas Naitanui is so far from his best it's impossible to tell where he will end," was his assessment.
"But for pure skill and displayed form, Daniel Rich is the most talented boy in the draft, just ahead of Hamish Hartlett."
If Rich is ignored by the Dockers, and given he is a Perth youngster it would be a massive call, then it's possible he could even slip through to pick six.
Port Adelaide's believed desire is for Hartlett, while Essendon, with pick No. 5, is expected to go for a key position player with Mal Michael retired and Dustin Fletcher, Matthew Lloyd and Scott Lucas not that far away from doing so.
That player would be Tyrone Vickery, leaving the Blues to have the luxury of adding Rich to a midfield containing Chris Judd, Mark Murphy, Nick Stevens and Bryce Gibbs.
Rich may well be the longest and most penetrating kick of that quartet (think Luke Hodge) which must be mouth-watering for Carlton full-forward Brendan Fevola.
But as good as Rich is, when it comes to the draft, and the way he is discussed, he's just another potential piece in the jigsaw.
His ability is such that most said about him is positive yet there are always room for negatives, even with the game's greats.
And don't forget it's only two years ago that a young Bendigo boy, originally touted as a potential No. 1 pick, slipped through to No. 7, and went on to play in a premiership side in his first season.
There's quite a few clubs wishing they'd taken Joel Selwood these days.
Wow, makes it pretty clear why Rich is slipping. I wouldn’t be that thrilled about drafting a mid who has so-so pace and endurance top 3 either no matter how well he kicks.Redford said:
And I don’t see why the Dons would go Vickery when the already have Laycock...
Col.W.Kurtz said:
Laycock.... :rofl (not laughing at you Col, I agree with you, just really don't rate him)
As I've said, I've always thought Rich was a little over rated, and I do mean little. He is a gun, but his not the clear best "midfielder" we have had each year of late for mine. His penetration and skills are awe inspiring, as was reported in the article his athleticism not so. I also don't rate his work ethic as A+ which really bothers me for a kid of his ability.
That is why from the information I've known, I backed Swift so early as potentially the best midfielder in the draft, despite all the obvious protests.
Honourable mentions to Hartlett though who I don't know enough about from my hack position, I keep seeing things from others. Not just on here, but offline, that pump this kids tyres up. Wish i had seen more/knew more of him.
Interesting to see Emma Quayle came out today and also said this is the craziest draft she can remember, I know I've said it before, but I am staggered at how open this Top 10 is this year compared to previous years.
This could be a VERY good year for a Selwood, Judd, Bartel , Franklin etc etc
Laycock.... :rofl
Dyer Disciple said:
I was taking the micky about Laycock. But seriously given they had a near all Australian ruckman already who is in his prime but massive holes in their future midfield KPP stocks it makes no sense to me that they would draft Vickery, a guy who will primarily play as a ruckman.
They can get an upgrade on Laycock anywhere basically, including their rookie list where they have Bellchambers.
Yup, I understood where you were coming from, as i said I agree. However come Draft day, I will be listening to it with a Essendon supporter and I will be spewing if Vickery makes it past 4 only for Essendon to call him out.
Depending on what Wallace does with Graham, I reckon another 'Jordy' (Roughead) wouldn't be a bad pick for ruck.
SCOOP said:
Because I think Sidebottom could make a fair argument to be in the Top 4 midfielders for pure class skill wise and football brains.
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RFC - can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em
Likewise, I would go Sidebottom and quite a few others actually before Ziebell....we're crying out for genuine class to compliment a few others and I don't see Ziebell being that player...
Very in depth analysis here.
Kevin Sheehan’s 2008 Top 30
Profiles for: (Not in order)
Dayne Beams
Sam Blease
Matthew Broadbent
Ayce Cordy
Aaron Cornelius
Phil Davis
Matthew *smile*
Hamish Hartlett
Nick Heyne
Stephen Hill
Michael Hurley
Lewis Johnson
Tom Lynch
Shaun McKernan
Nicholas Naitanui
Daniel Rich
Mitch Robinson
Tom Rockliff
Jordan Roughead
Ryan Schoenmakers
Steele Sidebottom
James Strauss
Nick Suban
Tom Swift
Jackson Trengrove
Tyrone Vickery
Jack Watts
Chris Yarran
Will Young
Jack Ziebell
http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/74/10/7410962_firstfileFILE.pdf
Kevin Sheehan’s 2008 Top 30
Profiles for: (Not in order)
Dayne Beams
Sam Blease
Matthew Broadbent
Ayce Cordy
Aaron Cornelius
Phil Davis
Matthew *smile*
Hamish Hartlett
Nick Heyne
Stephen Hill
Michael Hurley
Lewis Johnson
Tom Lynch
Shaun McKernan
Nicholas Naitanui
Daniel Rich
Mitch Robinson
Tom Rockliff
Jordan Roughead
Ryan Schoenmakers
Steele Sidebottom
James Strauss
Nick Suban
Tom Swift
Jackson Trengrove
Tyrone Vickery
Jack Watts
Chris Yarran
Will Young
Jack Ziebell
http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/74/10/7410962_firstfileFILE.pdf