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2008 draft

ZeroGame said:
Turning over 7 players a year is 16% of the list, at that rate it means turning over a list of 42 every 6 years, half the length of a good football career (18-30yo)
It's no good cutting 1/4 of the list when the draft picks you are going to replace them with are 5th, 6th, 7th+ round stabs in the dark.
I'd much rather have a list of 42 1st-3rd round picks (plus rookies) taken over a period of 6 years, than a list of 42 taken over 4 years with 1st-8th rounders (plus rookies)

We won't use the PSD this year with Pick 8 unless we see a junior who trains with us after the draft. Seeing as the depth of quality players goes to about 25 in the National Draft, use a 3rd rounder to pick the best available of who's left then maybe pass in the 4th round to evaluate the kids first hand at the club. Turned out ok with Matty White, hopefully Gourdis too.

People critisise our 2005 draft, when this years is similar. Don't see too many guns who were picked up after what would have been our 4th round selection that year. In fact not many clubs have walked away from that draft looking great, still a long way to go though before true judgement can be made on that batch.
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i think you will find most clubs turn over about 5 ot 6 most yrs. but when clubs are in rebuild mode they turnover more. to me the rfc is in rebuild mode if they arent they should be.i have advocated useing just one pick past the 4th round of the nd if we were not to use that pick and used it in the psd on a player who has been training with us fine.
my attitude is along these lines if you want to find say 5 players you will inevitably have to turn over 9 this is the natural failure rate about 40%. the later the picks the more you have to use to find a player but the thing is if you are ousting 9 duds and you pick up 5 decent players from nine picks you are in front
 
the claw said:
i think you will find most clubs turn over about 5 ot 6 most yrs. but when clubs are in rebuild mode they turnover more. to me the rfc is in rebuild mode if they arent they should be.
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Rebuild or not, if the cattle isn't there then it isn't there. Shouldn't justify using picks for the sake of picks when in all likelihood the player will never be as good as the one we got rid of. We have some pretty decent guys looking after recruiting now, so if they aren't convinced that there is the talent there to replace what we've already got then no shame in holding onto what you've got, or at least give what you've got more of a chance to prove themselves.

We still don't have the depth to cut the list as much as you want to. You'd love it because it means we'd bottom out more, we'd miss the finals, Wallace would be gone and we'd get a few more early draft selections. Pretty selfish attitude when it gets you your ideal outcome but it's just not going to happen that way.

When we have a strong enough list that we are playing finals with a good young side then we can afford to cut loose the "maybe" type players in order to make our selections in the next draft. Alternatively as a strong finals side we can trade some fringe players for early picks as we have the depth to cover them and they look better than they are playing in a strong side. However, until we get stronger as a side, then a few will be kept on longer than they would at a Top 4 club while we get rid of the obvious delistings.
 
I'll have a stab, pending contracts and realism (IMO) I would like/expect to see the following:

Delist:
Tivendale
Hyde
Pettifer
King
Polak* (Delist or Rookie)
Graham (Delist or Rookie)

Rookie:
Cartledge (promote for Graham or delist)
Howat
Sylvestor

Trade / Delist (1 of)
JON – 3rd rounder
Meyer – 3rd rounder (personally I would like to keep)
Casserly – 3rd rounder
Jackson- 2nd rounder, early 3rd rounder
Raines – 2nd Rounder, early 3rd rounder
Polo - 2nd rounder

Outs: Tiv, Hyde, Pett, King, Polak, (1 of JON, Jackson, Polo, Meyer, Casserly, Raines), Howat, Sylvestor, Graham/Cartledge

Total outs: 8 ( Dependent on Polak health)

Draft: 8 & 26 best available, 42 (best), 50 (trade, need), 58 (need), 74 (need) 90 (need, Polak replacement)

Rookie: Collard, Graham/Polak Need, Need

Might be tough on Polak, but if the medical reports say he is unlikely to recover then we should delist now, pay out his contract and keep him at the club for a year doing a role to help his recovery. If he can potentially play, apply to rookie him.
 
Pett's knee is a blow for him. Bad luck. Hope he makes a good recovery. He's a good footballer.

But it's hurt us this year at the draft. We were definitely trading him. And he'd have drawn a twenty-something. Maybe a low thirty.

Even we know that we have to trade to improve our position this year. So I reckon we'll help somebody get back to SA.

But the rumours about Kerr have legs. Irrespective of the two picks in the top twenty rumour touted on Footy Classified I reckon 8 and 26 would nearly get it done. I cred the rumour that we are all over Kerr.

But Carlton has say, 6 and 24. And I think I'm pretty grateful for that.

Unless we are mad enough to throw the inheritance at the harlot we should miss out and by default we could end up with a very strong hand in this draft. I hope it works out this way.
 
Dyer'ere said:
Unless we are mad enough to throw the inheritance at the harlot.......
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Mr Dyer-ere, you use your tongue prettier than a 30 dollar harlot.

(With apologies to Mel Brooks.)
 
the claw said:
our draft hopefullygoes something like this.

ND: Picks 7, 24, a pick in the 25 to 39 bracket thru player trade, 40, 56,72, 1 psd depending whats available, and 1 in trade period.turn over 3 rookies this would give us a total turnover of 9 0r 10.

gone are rookies howat cartledge sylvester. list players pettifer, hyde, tivendale, johnson, pattison,meyer,jackson bowden.
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Listen to this:
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/74034

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CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:
Listen to this:
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/74034

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Hmmmm, not sure I agree with all that he said. Bit of a furphy that we have such a young list.
 
ZeroGame said:
I'm asking where this has been said, I've heard and read nothing that says anything other than he'll be looked after/taken care of
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It came out of Petts own mouth on an ABC broadcast of a Coburg game about halfway through the season. It is to be found somewhere on the Coburg board.
 
tigerlandishome said:
It came out of Petts own mouth on an ABC broadcast of a Coburg game about halfway through the season. It is to be found somewhere on the Coburg board.
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Thats Petts understanding. What he thinks, and what will happen could be two different things.

Wouldn't be the first guy to leave a club under such circumstances.

BTW - what is with parading guys out who you delisted and want to play on, and having them pretend its all chummy with a presser? Peverill, White, and Yse all did not want to leave the club, yet they get paraded out to say how sad it is and so on. If the guy is retiring fair enough, but if he wants to play on he is hardly leaving a happy man.
 
tigerlandishome said:
It came out of Petts own mouth on an ABC broadcast of a Coburg game about halfway through the season. It is to be found somewhere on the Coburg board.
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Was that before or after his knee?
As has already been alluded to, he'd be one of the last to know whats actually going on
 
Thinking that we won't be dumping any of our old guys in Richo, Toad, Browneye, Bowdo or Simmo.
Tivva n Monsta n Howatt n Silvesta likely gawn. Polak ?? who knows, maybe he'll get a Rama rookie spot.
Petts rumoured to get another year. Coggs not sure where his body is at for AFL.
Doubt we will cut much else from the list as most are under 22 so would think we would take five at most this draft.
Maybe first three picks and two rookies.
Guess there is a possibility of trading someone and a pick to improve a pick but wouldn't hold my breath looking for some kind of mega trades.
 
Elmer said:
Might be tough on Polak, but if the medical reports say he is unlikely to recover then we should delist now, pay out his contract and keep him at the club for a year doing a role to help his recovery. If he can potentially play, apply to rookie him (then).
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He is such a slim chance to make it - tough calls are required - the ground work is already being laid out in the media for this anyway. Definately offer a role around the club. He can then train when able - assess as required!
 
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