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2009's 'Kel Moore'?

Which fringe player will the penny drop for in '09 just as it did for Kel Moore in '08?

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LidsandCotch said:
too much of the long hair, flannel shirts, truckers caps and nudie jeans for the steamer.

its all a bit much.
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I couldn't really care if he wears mascara off field but when he's on it Cleve needs to get his hands dirty next season if he wants to become a successful AFL player.
 
Tigers of Old said:
I couldn't really care if he wears mascara off field but when he's on it Cleve needs to get his hands dirty next season if he wants to become a successful AFL player.
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True but only as long as he doesn't roll up to a game with panda eyes 8)
 
TigerMasochist said:
Perhaps your right Rosy, it wouldn't surprise me. I know Cass was unhappy about being left at home to pop hamstrings while Coggy was carted overseas to have the specialist treatment. Had the feeling that he wasn't important enough, Coggy had shown he was a gun player, Cass never got to the starting line.
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TigerMasochist said:
Who knows perhaps if we'd sent him to have some of the mystical magic treatment that Cogs had in Germany he would have surpassed Cogs as a player.
Some that have watched him play thought he had the talent to be a very good player.
To refuse to send him along for a chance to get his body right but send over an established player who has struggled for three or four years with injury would obviously have p!ssed him off.
How can he be suffering from overselfworthedness ( surely thats not a real word? ) if he didn't think he was important enough?
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TM i'm not agreeing or disgreeing with you, but I'm not sure people understand just how full on this surgery is.

Sure many celebrities have used it and vouch for it Michael Owen, Ronaldo, Steven Gerrard, Maurice Green, Harry Kewell to name a few. However it is still untested thoroughly (in controlled scientific testing) and has not made it to scientifc journals or medical journals for professional consumption/contemplation.

It's not for everyone, it certainly couldn't be put into a neglecting someone if you don't send them there category.

I don't know the specifics of Cass's case, I'm not saying he should or should not have had it, I'm trying to shed a little more light on the situation.

More players and medical staff have considered it and passed on it than taken it up I believe would be a fair guess. It depends on the exact nature of the injury they are having than simply be suitable for ANY hamstring injury. I know of a couple AFL footballers who have considered it and passed. Buckley for one, who, his age aside was going through every treatment under the sun to get back on the field, with acupuncture being the most effective for him over more traditional options.

A couple of drugs involved in this procedure are illegal as injectable drugs in many countries around the world. For good reason. I'm not saying that means they are bad, but there are serious questions about them. Actovegin (which is the drug made from Calf's blood by a pharmaceutical company in Switzerland) has been at the center of many drug allegations. Traumeel is another one.

It's a bit like hip arthroscopies, there is no 100% assurance they will work and could make the recepient worse or at best be a waste of money.

As I said, I'm not passing judgement on Cass. I don't know enough about his circumstances. However I would lean toward a opinion that he would not be justified in being put out about not being sent to Germany.

One more thing for food for thought, the vast majority of reported people who have had the treatment have been 3/4's way through their careers, older athletes. Not kids. May mean nothing, may also mean a lot.
 
Dyer Disciple said:
More players and medical staff have considered it and passed on it than taken it up I believe would be a fair guess. It depends on the exact nature of the injury they are having than simply be suitable for ANY hamstring injury. I know of a couple AFL footballers who have considered it and passed. Buckley for one, who, his age aside was going through every treatment under the sun to get back on the field, with acupuncture being the most effective for him over more traditional options.

Didn't they wind up finding a small hole in Bucks hammy and when they fixed that with surgery he was able to finish off his career onfield?


A couple of drugs involved in this procedure are illegal as injectable drugs in many countries around the world. For good reason. I'm not saying that means they are bad, but there are serious questions about them. Actovegin (which is the drug made from Calf's blood by a pharmaceutical company in Switzerland) has been at the center of many drug allegations.
Woo Hoo mad cows.... oops I mean mad calf disease. Does this mean we get Coggy to take over from the Calf son of Bull. ;D
Guess thats the trouble with alternative medicines, therapies. Unless twenty years of in depth studies are done only the guy who invented them is going to use them.



As I said, I'm not passing judgement on Cass. I don't know enough about his circumstances. However I would lean toward a opinion that he would not be justified in being put out about not being sent to Germany.
He's probably seen Rooke come back from chronic hammies and play then Cogs come back and play and just wondered what the hell was going on, can't blame him I guess.
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Dyer Disciple said:
Sure many celebrities have used it and vouch for it Michael Owen, Ronaldo, Steven Gerrard, Maurice Green, Harry Kewell to name a few. However it is still untested thoroughly (in controlled scientific testing) and has not made it to scientifc journals or medical journals for professional consumption/contemplation.
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Stevie G? When did he have hamsting problems?
 
hptiger said:
Adam Thomson will be the big surprise.
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Yeah,I think i'll jump on the Thomson wagon early too.

Have a feeling this kid'll be a regular starting 22 from the word go.
 
TigerMasochist said:
Woo Hoo mad cows.... oops I mean mad calf disease. Does this mean we get Coggy to take over from the Calf son of Bull. ;D
Guess thats the trouble with alternative medicines, therapies. Unless twenty years of in depth studies are done only the guy who invented them is going to use them.

As I said, I'm not passing judgement on Cass. I don't know enough about his circumstances. However I would lean toward a opinion that he would not be justified in being put out about not being sent to Germany.
He's probably seen Rooke come back from chronic hammies and play then Cogs come back and play and just wondered what the hell was going on, can't blame him I guess.
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Sheesh TM you had me trying to think what I had posted and what you posted then, so just cut your post out of mine :hihi

Yeah I agree with you. I think it is more of a case Cass has done the...damn that could have done wonders for me too. Totally understandable. Being injury riddled all the time would been incredibly frustrating for him.
 
I went for Jacko. I haven't been a fan, due to his well documented failings, but he started to look the goods towards the end of the season. His decision making improved, he found team mates more often with his kicks and he stepped through traffic well. He is also big, strong and fast, and has a mean streak.
 
Couldn't help draging this thread up again. Hughes has really let a lot of people down.
 
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