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Tony Braxton-Hicks

Tony Braxton-Hicks

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I'm not usually one to get involved in team selection or list management threads, so go easy on me, but I was looking through the list yesterday and thinking about what it would look like in 3 years.

We have some key retirements by then (Simmo, Brown, Bowden, Richo, Johnson and Cogs will be gone or on their last legs), and it's not too hard to come up with 9 delistings while sparing some of the youngsters who haven't completed their apprenticeships yet. Some of these, of course, won't make it or will be merely as competent as the players they are replacing.

The bottom line is that I put together a best 22 and 6 depth players, but there are question marks all over the park. And my best 22 even included two speculative recruits (capitalised)!

Anyway, here goes.

B King HURLEY Thursfield
HB Polo? Rance Newman
C Connors Cotchin Tambling
HF Edwards Riewoldt Morton
F Putt? Hughes? Collard?
R WARNOCK Deledio Foley

IC Patto Collins? JON? McMahon (he'll still be in the team to annoy you all ;D)

Depth: Moore?, Schulz?, Gourdis, White, Casserly?, Graham?

Of course, in that time we'll recruit 10-11 other kids + rookies and typically make 2-3 other trades. And I'm assuming that Hurley will last to pick 4-6 and we'll trade our second pick and maybe a WA player (Polak!!!) for Warnock (we desperately need a ruckman). And maybe we can give the Gold Coast our Queenslanders for a late first round pick.

Anyway, I'm rambling, but it's now mid-way through the season so list speculation is once again fair game! >:D
 
Don't think Jack will develop into a KPP, more of a 3rd tall - flank/pocket type.
 
Who is Hurley and how will he de-thrown the AFL's no.1 spoiler?

I'd like to find a small/quick defender to match up on small forwards.
 
Tony Braxton-Hicks said:
B King HURLEY Thursfield
HB Polo? Rance Newman
C Connors Cotchin Tambling
HF Edwards Riewoldt Morton
F Putt? Hughes? Collard?
R WARNOCK Deledio Foley

IC Patto Collins? JON? McMahon (he'll still be in the team to annoy you all ;D)

Depth: Moore?, Schulz?, Gourdis, White, Casserly?, Graham?
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Nice work, TBH.

This is what I'm ranting about. This is the looming crisis that I'm talking about. What you have posted here as a 2011 side is fully plausible IMO.

And this is why I'm going into meltdown. It's nothing but a runt roster.

King- under 80kg. Cripes. Under 75.
New FB- will need to be 130kg to make up for the anorexia plague that surrounds him.
Thursfield - dangerously underweight with little or no ground presence. Fine aerialist.
Polo - slim type. Good side on or run down tackling. Very limited front on. Not heavy or strong.
Rance - maybe he fills out. Maybe he's a swap for the old man (very lean). Unknown. But I'm hopeful
Newman - Good size. Not physical. Poor tackler.
Connors - the great white hope. Only passable in terms of strength and mass. Should be nearly our smallest instead he's got the physical requirements of the team resting on his reserve grade 19yo shoulders. And he's no certainty.
Cotchin - Could be anything. If he blooms he will have three blokes hanging off him for 120 minutes a game. Let's hope he has the constitution for it. Cause he'll get bugger all physical support from this, the Ethiopian second 18.
Tambling - flanker. Passable size for the role. Passable size for HFF duties given his athleticism. Good clearance talent for change mid duties but definitely on the small side for the role.
Edwards - talented footballer. Dangerously underweight.
Riewoldt - Excellent kid. May have toe talent to offset his comparative lack of mass and strength.
Morton - dangerously underweight for #3 forward duties. Skinny even for a flanker given his lack of pace and tackling technique.
Putt - athletic type. I don't know. Far too few suspensions for a 19yo IMO. Should be a regular at the tribunal by now if he has a future in the role of pimping 20 supermodels.
Hughes is the least physical player on the Richmond list ATM. Yes. The Richmond list.
Collard. I don't know. At least he's over eighty kegs. Will be even after a year on the Jenny Craig. A welcome fatty.
Warnock- a bean pole ruckman. Well, with every team looking for aggressive inside rucks this would be just what we need. Bean poles used to be useless but they're not as useful these days.
Lids - has the mass to absorb punishment but is athletically framed. For explosive power not strength. Very satisfactory outside mid likely to develop into an insider.
Foley - Inside rover. Under 80 kg. (Is anybody noticing what happens to the little guys at the stoppages? Complete footballer but a very small one.

Patto, a bit light, I concede, has a dip. But the bench has a bigger problem. Collins, McMuffin, JON - guess which one is the strongest one.


There's no problem with being a skinny footballer. But skinny teams are headed for delusion and heartbreak.

Those who should be our average players are our big strong ones. And then there is the fleet of scrawns. Not gamebreaking rovers. They're gold. You can play four of them. Maybe six. If you support them with a KP structure, inside rucks and a battalion of pigs.

And IMO this size problem has little or nothing to do with the gym. We have to target pretty much exclusively heavy, strong, aggressive players from here on.

That team stinks. Just totally unsuited to football. And unless we focus on the right type this rabble of ribs will be what we get for seven years of misery. Somebody just *smile* kill me.
 
sheesh jack you pick my brain while i was asleep or something. great post and exactly what ive been saying. great minds do indeed think alike.
player type and structure i wonder how long it will take terence to realise the error of his ways.
 
This does highlight a shortage of quality talls coming through. This draft will be our last chance to land some quality key poition players. The rest looks very strong
 
se7en said:
Don't think Jack will develop into a KPP, more of a 3rd tall - flank/pocket type.
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Maybe its a bit hard to say because he still has to put on a lot of muscle, once he does that he should be a strong mark. I think he'll be a floating HF type and with his smarts he should get into the right areas of the fwd line. I guess we need a strong marking stay at home type to complement Reiwoldt.
 
hellenictiger said:
Who is Hurley and how will he de-thrown the AFL's no.1 spoiler?

I'd like to find a small/quick defender to match up on small forwards.
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Good question Greek Tiger, who is Hurley, where's he from?

Only Hurley I know is the guy from LOST, but he weighs half a ton! ;D
 
Hurley played full-back for Vic Metro at last year's junior champs, but can also play as a key forward. He's eligible for the draft this year and will be one of the top few picks.

See the juniors board. There's been a thread on him since last year.

http://www.puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=28808.0
 
benny_furs said:
Hurley makes us look like a seriously talented side... we need him and then a star CHF and we'll be a chance to win a flag in the not so distant future.

Look at this team Terry, you can make it a reality...
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1 player makes us look seriously talented and with one other will take us to a premiership, brother u need to do some research and realize a premiership isnt won by 2 players. thursty is the #1 for spoils in the comp and ur commenting on hurley making our side look talented and he hasnt even played a game, cmon man get with it.
 
Tony Braxton-Hicks said:
I'm not usually one to get involved in team selection or list management threads, so go easy on me, but I was looking through the list yesterday and thinking about what it would look like in 3 years.

We have some key retirements by then (Simmo, Brown, Bowden, Richo, Johnson and Cogs will be gone or on their last legs), and it's not too hard to come up with 9 delistings while sparing some of the youngsters who haven't completed their apprenticeships yet. Some of these, of course, won't make it or will be merely as competent as the players they are replacing.

The bottom line is that I put together a best 22 and 6 depth players, but there are question marks all over the park. And my best 22 even included two speculative recruits (capitalised)!

Anyway, here goes.

B King HURLEY Thursfield
HB Polo? Rance Newman
C Connors Cotchin Tambling
HF Edwards Riewoldt Morton
F Putt? Hughes? Collard?
R WARNOCK Deledio Foley

IC Patto Collins? JON? McMahon (he'll still be in the team to annoy you all ;D)

Depth: Moore?, Schulz?, Gourdis, White, Casserly?, Graham?

Of course, in that time we'll recruit 10-11 other kids + rookies and typically make 2-3 other trades. And I'm assuming that Hurley will last to pick 4-6 and we'll trade our second pick and maybe a WA player (Polak!!!) for Warnock (we desperately need a ruckman). And maybe we can give the Gold Coast our Queenslanders for a late first round pick.

Anyway, I'm rambling, but it's now mid-way through the season so list speculation is once again fair game! >:D
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im interested to see that Raines isnt in our side for 2011, im also a bit miffed that White is included in the depth category ahead of JON who is on the bench. he is a much improved player who is very quick and will keep improving over the next couple of seasons and will definitly be there in our 22 in 2011 whereas JON will continue to chase backsides for coburg. Warnock still needs to be recruited and id say there would be a few clubs after him (we really need to improve Graham quickly because if we dont recruit any rucks, we can kiss our premiership window goodbye). I would hope Gourdis being a #1 pick will be a regualr in our 2011 side. I would also not be writing off Polak just yet, ppl seem to have very short memories in the fact he played a very good 07 season which basically most were happy with. obv if his 2nd half of season 08 is ordinary he'll have 09 to prove himself that he's worthy with a 1 year performance based contract to keep his AFL career alive.
 
Whether JON or White make up the bench, or are even on the list, will make very little difference to the overall picture.

White may instead have Polo's place at half-back. Again, they're probably making up the numbers.

When you see someone like Cotchin step into the side, get the ball and know what to do with it, it shows up the difference between the classy players and the foot soldiers like White.

And as for Jack at CHF, I'm more concerned with Hughes as the FF option let alone whether Putt will even make the side. Our tall forward options are Jack, Hughes, Patto and Putt. Ouch!

Maybe Gourdis develops as a tall back to release Hurley forward (if we even get him). My point is that our current options are B grade at best, and this is the last draft for a while where we'll be able to address the deficiencies bearing in mind the obvious delistings and retirements over the next 3 years.
 
Tony Braxton-Hicks said:
My point is that our current options are B grade at best, and this is the last draft for a while where we'll be able to address the deficiencies bearing in mind the obvious delistings and retirements over the next 3 years.
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Oh you made your point, Tony.

Itsee hard. And itsee hard. And itsee hard and itsee hard. And it's a hard rain's gonna fall.
 
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