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2020 finals–week one: the other games

LeeToRainesToRoach

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geelong won’t beat Collingwood.

Was a gutbuster for the Pies - huge mental buildup and the longest road trip in football. How do they repeat it? And Geelong has had an extra two days to regroup.

I don't think Geelong are certainties, just that they will have the edge. I'd anticipated we would play them in a prelim, but I think Brisbane's a better match-up for them.
 

tigersnake

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My money would be on Collingwood, just. Yes it was a tough task, but they look sharp and refreshed, and Geelong look old, slow and uninspired.

I can't pick it, it might have been Collingwood's GF, but my feeling is they can keep rolling another week.
 
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seven

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Reckon Geelong will get up. Extra day or two break and no travel. Cox won’t have the same influence .
 

leon

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Yes, Geesook have the advantages but, I have to say, that I was impressed with the Skunks last night. Buckley is not a creative coach but a damn good copier or student of others. I'm certain he learnt so much from how we beat WCE; it was the template for last night.
The Skunks attacked really aggressively from the back half, dispensing with their slow ball movement game of chip and mark. They burst forward with precise passing when possible but, for once, were happy to run with dirty ball often. This throws the WC defence out not allowing them type to set up and repel by aerial dominance as is their dominant method.
Barass was again found wanting on Cox in Q1, then at the death, Mihocek and DeGoey kick miracle goals. The forward pocket mark was an in-the-back from Mihocek on McGovern for which the ump promptly answered his complaints with " ... that's no longer a rule; not for three years ..."! Colonwood received crucial umpiring favours including a mark that was clearly touched and should have been play-on to Stevenson near the death.

Anyway, the thing is, this is the game-style that works against the Moggs too. Skunks have a backline and FL that succeeds against Geesook and a midfield that will win or match.
 
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DavidSSS

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The forward pocket mark was an in-the-back from Mihocek on McGovern for which the ump promptly answered his complaints with " ... that's no longer a rule; not for three years ..."!
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Wow, just wow.

It is a rule, and has been for well over 100 years. You can hold your position with your arms in the back of an opponent, but you can't push the opponent.

If this is the calibre of umpiring I am not surprised we have so many issues.

DS
 
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T-Shirt Tommy

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Can't stand the Skunks and seeing them win just compounds my shitty weekend.

Have a feeling that they will start a bulldogs 2016 like run and it makes me sick to my stomach.
 

antman

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Wow, just wow.

It is a rule, and has been for well over 100 years. You can hold your position with your arms in the back of an opponent, but you can't push the opponent.

If this is the calibre of umpiring I am not surprised we have so many issues.

DS

Did the defender say "hands in the back?" Just asking.
 

MD Jazz

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Was a gutbuster for the Pies - huge mental buildup and the longest road trip in football. How do they repeat it? And Geelong has had an extra two days to regroup.

I don't think Geelong are certainties, just that they will have the edge. I'd anticipated we would play them in a prelim, but I think Brisbane's a better match-up for them.

Good points LTRTR.
 

MD Jazz

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The forward pocket mark was an in-the-back from Mihocek on McGovern for which the ump promptly answered his complaints with " ... that's no longer a rule; not for three years ..."!

Wow, just wow.

It is a rule, and has been for well over 100 years. You can hold your position with your arms in the back of an opponent, but you can't push the opponent.

If this is the calibre of umpiring I am not surprised we have so many issues.

DS
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He didn’t push him though. And you can use your hands to hold your ground now. Clear mark, well done by micheck
 

leon

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Did the defender say "hands in the back?" Just asking.
I couldn't make out McGovern's words exactly but he clearly was complaining that he had been pushed under the ball, out of position.
He was in front, in best position to mark it.
 
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leon

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I couldn't make out McGovern's words exactly but he clearly was complaining that he had been pushed under the ball, out of position.
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leon

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Wow, just wow.

It is a rule, and has been for well over 100 years. You can hold your position with your arms in the back of an opponent, but you can't push the opponent.

If this is the calibre of umpiring I am not surprised we have so many issues.

DS

He didn’t push him though. And you can use your hands to hold your ground now. Clear mark, well done by micheck
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I think he did move him forward out of front position to take that mark. The altering of the rule leaves it open to interpretation, of course. I think in the old days you were expected to keep your hands out of an opponent's back completely and raise them to attempt to mark. You have always been allowed to leap for the ball or hold out using your hip/shoulder legally.
That decision won the game - and others.
 

antman

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I couldn't make out McGovern's words exactly but he clearly was complaining that he had been pushed under the ball, out of position.
He was in front, in best position to mark it.

Ok, if he'd said "hands in the back" the umpire would be right. The push in the back is administered so inconsistently these days, I can see why players get upset over it.
 
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tigertim

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I still don’t know if you can use “forearm” to the back or not. Sometimes a player does it and commentators say “that’s ok, he didn’t use his hands” then sometimes an umpire will ping a player for a forearm to the back.
 
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leon

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I still don’t know if you can use “forearm” to the back or not. Sometimes a player does it and commentators say “that’s ok, he didn’t use his hands” then sometimes an umpire will ping a player for a forearm to the back.
Yes that's just it. The current rule is quite ambiguous to my mind so of course, allows 'interpretation.' So at the whim of the umps, which is just the way the AFL wants it imo. Can do what they like without much challenge at all.
 
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Streak

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Was a gutbuster for the Pies - huge mental buildup and the longest road trip in football. How do they repeat it? And Geelong has had an extra two days to regroup.

I don't think Geelong are certainties, just that they will have the edge. I'd anticipated we would play them in a prelim, but I think Brisbane's a better match-up for them.

Agree L2R2R.

Cats for me, they'll out run the pies in the second half.
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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Agree L2R2R.

Cats for me, they'll out run the pies in the second half.

And under the current finals system, QF losers are 32-8 in semis.

Would've been less confident of Geelong beating West Coast as the Eagles can match them in the air as well as being quicker on the ground.
 
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Tigaman

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Just a snippet from the West in regards WAFL Grand finals

Colts Claremont (Tigers) lost to Subiaco
Reserves Claremont (Tigers) lost to East Perth
Seniors Claremont (Tigers) lost to South Fremantle

Good reason for a Wake.
 

DavidSSS

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I think they are making out that it is harder to differentiate between a player being pushed and a player not being able to push back in a marking contest. I know players exaggerate but the umpires should know what to look for.

I'm not sure what Mihochek said either, but if he said he was pushed in the back and the umpire does not agree then the reply is that he wasn't pushed, not that pushing in the back is no longer a rule. Would explain why Hawkins gets away with so many pushes in the back though if that is what the umpires think.

DS
 

Tigaman

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Music for one's ear today as one did tune into 6PR (Perth) talk back radio with those West Coast choker fans venting their spleen on last nights exit by those feral dirty etc etc etc etc Hot Pies plus the umps.