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2022 Draft Thread
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Just how good is Hewitt? He went at a range in the Draft where Clubs were seemingly happy to trade out of in favour of future picks.
Whilst all the new top 30 picks look nice and shiny the things that stand out to me is the way clubs were looking to go out of the 2023 draft or get into the top 6/7 and throwing 2-3 first rounders at the trade
Bullus rates the 3 kids in Hewett , Cowan & Keeler as the picks we should have taken and he is a good judge but at the same time we have to also consider why the clubs didnt rate the picks after 6/7 ? was there such a massive drop off in talent ?
Hewett was selected at #14 by west coast , How much of that had to do with him being the best available WA kid rather than the best kid at that pick ? where would he have been selected if eagles didnt have that selection ?
Cowan was drafted by Carlton with pick #30 which the pies traded out to carlton for 2023 2nd rounder which most likely will be later than pick #30 with carlton expected to take the next step and play finals in 2023. For me thats a big call as the pies didnt rate him and were happy to take less and get out of that range
Keeler - I wanted him and would have been wrapped to get him , But is that due to our needs ? Is that due to his highlights and the similarities to Ryder ? Why did he slide past so many teams multiple times all the way to #44 in a weak'ish draft
Time will tell but i am still liking our trades for Taranto & Hopper
Taranto - #14 + #22
Hopper + (542 points) - F1 + ( 494 points )
Personally im thinking our picks were not really that great and if we had bundled them all up 14+22+34+f1 we would be lucky to get into the the top 6-7
Bullus rates the 3 kids in Hewett , Cowan & Keeler as the picks we should have taken and he is a good judge but at the same time we have to also consider why the clubs didnt rate the picks after 6/7 ? was there such a massive drop off in talent ?
Hewett was selected at #14 by west coast , How much of that had to do with him being the best available WA kid rather than the best kid at that pick ? where would he have been selected if eagles didnt have that selection ?
Cowan was drafted by Carlton with pick #30 which the pies traded out to carlton for 2023 2nd rounder which most likely will be later than pick #30 with carlton expected to take the next step and play finals in 2023. For me thats a big call as the pies didnt rate him and were happy to take less and get out of that range
Keeler - I wanted him and would have been wrapped to get him , But is that due to our needs ? Is that due to his highlights and the similarities to Ryder ? Why did he slide past so many teams multiple times all the way to #44 in a weak'ish draft
Time will tell but i am still liking our trades for Taranto & Hopper
Taranto - #14 + #22
Hopper + (542 points) - F1 + ( 494 points )
Personally im thinking our picks were not really that great and if we had bundled them all up 14+22+34+f1 we would be lucky to get into the the top 6-7
Hewett was a campaign in cotton wool, vintage West Coast, his skill set is easily top 10, this was the value pick in that range. Cowan slides to 30 which is strange to me, second best kick in the draft, leader, pace, I think he's another value selection. Keeler has the ability but maybe lacks a bit of mongrel but given he projects as a second ruck I think the odds of success are pretty good. I don't think Adelaide needed a forward either, they also didn't have a big hand to play with. Obviously there are few guarantees in life, it could go either way, I'm reasonably confident these guys pass the character test, Keeler has his fans, even in SA, once in the system he might lift the intensity, being a tall his value is unlikely to diminish, certainly not from a mid 40s pick. We also have to consider next year's first, there is still an element of the unknown. can't afford any slip ups from here.
Reported on here by @Redford that Hewitt had questions about his attitude and professionalism. There is risk attached.
On Mitch Szybowski:
”For the Dandenong Stingrays, the AFL draft was as much a story of who didn’t get selected as who did. Jaxon Binns was taken at No.32 by Carlton. Henry Hustwaite was taken at No.37 by Hawthorn.
Mitch Szybkowski was taken by no one.
And that left Stingrays coach Nick Cox stunned. Cox was surprised when his captain’s name wasn’t called in the national draft, but he assumed he would at least be picked up as a rookie the following day. The 186cm midfielder was overlooked in that too.
An hour or so after the rookie draft, Cox spoke about the “brutal side of football”. In the days since, he has been in constant contact with Szybkowski and his family. He says the 18-year-old’s emotions range from “angry, disappointed, upset, all those things”.
The way Cox saw it, Szybkowski had done more than enough to be drafted.
He averaged 23.1 disposals in his seven games for the Stingrays, played well for the AFL Academy against Collingwood’s VFL team, was among Vic Country’s best players in the national championships, and was selected in the NAB League Boys team of the year.
Ahead of the draft, AFL talent oracle Kevin Sheehan called Szybkowski a “midfielder with a sharp competitive edge” who “attacks the ball aggressively and lays strong tackles on the opposition”.
“A good ball-winner with clean hands and great vision, he also creates for his team with smart ball use,” he noted.
“Was among Victoria Country’s most consistent players at the national championships, averaging 24 disposals and four tackles. Demonstrated his power at the draft combine with his running vertical jump of 83cm, which ranked eighth overall.”
Cox says he was dumbfounded a player who had been “highly touted all the way along” was passed over.
“Perplexing. He’s got great attributes – an inside mid with a big body, a good decision-maker, really good with his inside and outside work – and he was really consistent,” he says.
“I suppose if there was a question mark, it would have been with his speed. But his power and stuff around the stoppages is at a high level. I can’t work it out.
“He had a great season. His numbers were good. His impact was very good. He was one of Vic Country’s better players.
“Before the draft we thought we had three genuine chances. Two of them got through. I would have put my house on Mitch and that’s disappointing.
Cox adds: “What I will say is he will find a way eventually. Whether that happens in the next 12 months or longer, because of who he is as a person and as a footballer, he will find a way to get there. He will have to do it a different way than what we all thought.”
VFL and interstate clubs have been quick to contact Szybkowski, who won a bundle of league and club best and fairests as he came through Beaconsfield Football Netball Club.
He and Binns figured in Caulfield Grammar’s APS premiership this year, as did Blake Drury, who had no takers in the national draft but was the first player claimed in the rookie draft.
Cox hopes Szybkowski lands a train-on position with an AFL club and is considered for a listing in the pre-season supplemental selection period.
He says the AFL has support mechanisms in place for young players overlooked in the draft, and officials had contacted Szybkowski, who is managed by Mark Kleiman.
“There are a lot of tools he can use to work through it,” Cox says.
An AFL recruiter agrees Szybkowski was the “hard-luck story” of the draft.
“He wasn’t one for us – we’re OK for inside mids, and he’s one of those – but I thought someone, somewhere would pick him,” the recruiter says.”
”For the Dandenong Stingrays, the AFL draft was as much a story of who didn’t get selected as who did. Jaxon Binns was taken at No.32 by Carlton. Henry Hustwaite was taken at No.37 by Hawthorn.
Mitch Szybkowski was taken by no one.
And that left Stingrays coach Nick Cox stunned. Cox was surprised when his captain’s name wasn’t called in the national draft, but he assumed he would at least be picked up as a rookie the following day. The 186cm midfielder was overlooked in that too.
An hour or so after the rookie draft, Cox spoke about the “brutal side of football”. In the days since, he has been in constant contact with Szybkowski and his family. He says the 18-year-old’s emotions range from “angry, disappointed, upset, all those things”.
The way Cox saw it, Szybkowski had done more than enough to be drafted.
He averaged 23.1 disposals in his seven games for the Stingrays, played well for the AFL Academy against Collingwood’s VFL team, was among Vic Country’s best players in the national championships, and was selected in the NAB League Boys team of the year.
Ahead of the draft, AFL talent oracle Kevin Sheehan called Szybkowski a “midfielder with a sharp competitive edge” who “attacks the ball aggressively and lays strong tackles on the opposition”.
“A good ball-winner with clean hands and great vision, he also creates for his team with smart ball use,” he noted.
“Was among Victoria Country’s most consistent players at the national championships, averaging 24 disposals and four tackles. Demonstrated his power at the draft combine with his running vertical jump of 83cm, which ranked eighth overall.”
Cox says he was dumbfounded a player who had been “highly touted all the way along” was passed over.
“Perplexing. He’s got great attributes – an inside mid with a big body, a good decision-maker, really good with his inside and outside work – and he was really consistent,” he says.
“I suppose if there was a question mark, it would have been with his speed. But his power and stuff around the stoppages is at a high level. I can’t work it out.
“He had a great season. His numbers were good. His impact was very good. He was one of Vic Country’s better players.
“Before the draft we thought we had three genuine chances. Two of them got through. I would have put my house on Mitch and that’s disappointing.
Cox adds: “What I will say is he will find a way eventually. Whether that happens in the next 12 months or longer, because of who he is as a person and as a footballer, he will find a way to get there. He will have to do it a different way than what we all thought.”
VFL and interstate clubs have been quick to contact Szybkowski, who won a bundle of league and club best and fairests as he came through Beaconsfield Football Netball Club.
He and Binns figured in Caulfield Grammar’s APS premiership this year, as did Blake Drury, who had no takers in the national draft but was the first player claimed in the rookie draft.
Cox hopes Szybkowski lands a train-on position with an AFL club and is considered for a listing in the pre-season supplemental selection period.
He says the AFL has support mechanisms in place for young players overlooked in the draft, and officials had contacted Szybkowski, who is managed by Mark Kleiman.
“There are a lot of tools he can use to work through it,” Cox says.
An AFL recruiter agrees Szybkowski was the “hard-luck story” of the draft.
“He wasn’t one for us – we’re OK for inside mids, and he’s one of those – but I thought someone, somewhere would pick him,” the recruiter says.”
Perhaps.
It was always going to be difficult for someone to step into Jacks shoes and down the track Lynchs.
But if we can't get the ball down there then we could have 6 lynchs and still go nowhere.(Remember all those years with Richo).
TT & Hopper will more than compensate for a missing Lynch or Jack(Short term).
Long term i think Blair has targets.
If youre gold coast offering 5+ to blokes like Rory Atkins to play VFL
Your logic is sound.
But i actually dont see how we go wrong with Tarantuhopper for 14 years.
1. They either impact and win us a decline premiership
2. They dont help us win a flag, in which case we are rebuilding for 5 years anyway, and theylle be fun to watch taking the heat while kids put on muscle
3. the money isnt huge now, and in 6 years wont be much over an average wage.
Given this, plus the draft pool we traded out of, the speed and upside we picked up in the 50s, Cadman or King will be ripe in our northern orchard in 4 years
i firmly beleive its an unmitigated masterstroke
Jack/Rance & Astbury
vs
Balta/Miller & Gibcus.
Clarke's not too far behind Jackson.
Rather we go after someone like Treacy(Freo).Won't cost us much in either a pick or $ wise.
Save the big $'s for someone like King.
I totally agree with this. I went back to our midfield of this year (I've left out Dusty and Lambert as neither really played a lot this year), so this is a top 6 finishing midfield this year and looked forward 3 years (to 2025). So we already have the bulk of our midfield for 3 years time. We knew we needed to replace those top liners like Cotch and Prestia and we have done that. Mitchell would not have been in this picture in 2025 so is the biggest short term move we could have made, and we STILL would have needed to find a top line replacement for 1 of those 2.
The one from 2022 that we really won't have replaced yet is Edwards, but I think thats why we are going hard with these types. We'll be hoping that someone like Baker (keep progressing), Green, Clarke, Campbell, maybe even MRJ could potentially make it in this role. We have the flexibility to fill this role over the next couple of years as Dion, Dusty and Trent (for 2023) will still be there to support the 2025 midfield group.
Personally I reckon we've played this perfectly for the short term and the medium term.
I wonder if it's not another Jack Darling westwash. Hewett is top-5 on potential for me.
This boy Hewett sounds amazing.
Taranto quality by his third year some on here reckon.
Geez we must have just bailed out of a super draft. What were we thinking?
If he’s that good, imagine the quality of the 13 that were picked ahead of him.
Taranto quality by his third year some on here reckon.
Geez we must have just bailed out of a super draft. What were we thinking?
If he’s that good, imagine the quality of the 13 that were picked ahead of him.
I think he’s a solid pick but I don’t think he’s in that range at all. And I don’t expect him to be a first line strike mid in three years.
This is the exact situation I would want to avoid, paying part salary, selling at below market rates. The salary cap squeeze can lead to some pretty undesirable outcomes.
If you redid the 2016 draft would you have Taranto at pick 2? Certainly not from my perspective. I'd have him at 7-8, about where I rate Hewett.
He has all the weapons, best sidestep in the pool, long range bombs from 50, has a very high 30+ possession ceiling. Two way running is the big question mark but once in the system I expect this to improve. Looking at the West Coast line-up he's Luke Shuey's heir apparent, I expect him to be spearheading that midfield by his third year.
Who are the 5-6 players you rate above Taranto from the 2016 draft ?
McClugguage - I would say TT has been better
Shai Bolton - Roughly same perhaps shai for his upside slightly higher
Florent - No
Graham - No
Ridley - No but close
English - No but very different position and should not be compared
Darcy - No similar to english different position
There really is not many players even close
1. Hugh McCluggage
2. Shai Bolton
3. Tom Stewart
4. Tim English
5. Jy Simpkin
6. Sean Darcy
7. Tim Taranto
8. Jordan Ridley
9. Brennan Cox
10. Rohan Marshall
You could push a case for top 5 perhaps, that would be prioritising a midfielder over a tall, I'm looking at overall standing in the league, English & Darcy the two best junior rucks from 2016 onwards. I think looking at career trajectory McCluggage has another gear, Taranto not so much. that's just my gut feel at this stage. Part of this ranking acknowledges where these players fit in their respective team's hierarchy. Simpkin is a top 2 mid at North, he's trending up, 40 possession games starting to roll through, he edges Taranto in my opinion. Has Taranto ever been the headline act at GWS? Not really, he's always been behind Kelly, Ward, Coniglio & occasionally behind Treloar, Shiel and various others at certain stages.
