I didn't know about the exit meeting, but heard on here earlier in the year Dimma bottonholed him at a Q time huddle in a VFL game and had some strong words.
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2022 Draft Thread
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I think the same thing comes out for both Banks and Brown - beautiful kicks of the footy, great decision makers. A pre-season in the gym for both of them and I could see Banks being a replacement for Kamdyn in a year or two. Kamdyn is 191cm, Banks is 187cm. But the weight 92kg to 71kg, that's why he needs to hit the gym!!!
Comments from Steve Morris post-game player reviews -
Sam Banks (26 disposals, nine marks, four inside-50s, four rebound-50s)
"We want the footy in his hands because he makes great decisions and is a wonderful ball user. We probably didn't see as much as we would like of that, but when he had the ball, he certainly made things happen."
"He's move to defence over the last couple of weeks and played a little bit of wing on the weekend, but mainly in defence. He's a beautiful ball user, he's getting himself in really good positions and he's starting to play to our system really well which is pleasing to see. He also hit the scoreboard with a beautiful finish from outside 50m.
"Moved back to the backline this week and didn't miss a beat. I thought he defended really well, he made some great decisions on defence to impact, and I think it was a great step in the right direction for Sam's development as a long-term prospect for this club."
Tom Brown (19 disposals, four marks, four inside-50s, two clearances)
"Continues to excite those who watch him play at this level. His talent is undeniable, he is super clean with the footy and makes great decisions with ball-in-hand, and I thought his contest work on the weekend was much-improved. A great step forward in the right direction."
"He was really clean which was noticeable, and he is wanting to get more involved in offence. We're seeing a definite improvement in his defensive actions."
"When he's got the footy in his hands, he makes really good decisions and uses the ball well. He's got really clean hands but it's probably his off-ball stuff that we want to see improve slightly. He's only new to the wing role and he has a really good understanding of that already, which highlights his coachability."
"Browny was really clean. He took some great marks and made some good decisions with the ball in his hands. It was a really good challenge for him to gain an understanding of a different role on the ground."
Thanks, I had heard about that incident as well but I was just intrigued how the exit meeting discussion got out.
Couple of kids in their first season of playing against mainly mature men, they're coming off a double season of covid wipe out so there'd be shitloads for them to learn about training and playing to elite level professional sport. Can't see to much to complain about from these comments n even if Dimma gave one of them a bake during a game, that'd be no surprise. I'll happily bet he's given plenty of players an occasional bake over the years.I think the same thing comes out for both Banks and Brown - beautiful kicks of the footy, great decision makers. A pre-season in the gym for both of them and I could see Banks being a replacement for Kamdyn in a year or two. Kamdyn is 191cm, Banks is 187cm. But the weight 92kg to 71kg, that's why he needs to hit the gym!!!
Comments from Steve Morris post-game player reviews -
Sam Banks (26 disposals, nine marks, four inside-50s, four rebound-50s)
"We want the footy in his hands because he makes great decisions and is a wonderful ball user. We probably didn't see as much as we would like of that, but when he had the ball, he certainly made things happen."
"He's move to defence over the last couple of weeks and played a little bit of wing on the weekend, but mainly in defence. He's a beautiful ball user, he's getting himself in really good positions and he's starting to play to our system really well which is pleasing to see. He also hit the scoreboard with a beautiful finish from outside 50m.
"Moved back to the backline this week and didn't miss a beat. I thought he defended really well, he made some great decisions on defence to impact, and I think it was a great step in the right direction for Sam's development as a long-term prospect for this club."
Tom Brown (19 disposals, four marks, four inside-50s, two clearances)
"Continues to excite those who watch him play at this level. His talent is undeniable, he is super clean with the footy and makes great decisions with ball-in-hand, and I thought his contest work on the weekend was much-improved. A great step forward in the right direction."
"He was really clean which was noticeable, and he is wanting to get more involved in offence. We're seeing a definite improvement in his defensive actions."
"When he's got the footy in his hands, he makes really good decisions and uses the ball well. He's got really clean hands but it's probably his off-ball stuff that we want to see improve slightly. He's only new to the wing role and he has a really good understanding of that already, which highlights his coachability."
"Browny was really clean. He took some great marks and made some good decisions with the ball in his hands. It was a really good challenge for him to gain an understanding of a different role on the ground."
Builds always look better when you grab the rare pieces first, it becomes even more critical if you are selling out of two drafts. I think this one might be left to free agency to solve, unless we pull a rabbit out of the hat with a late third rounder.
We should have kept our 2020 1st rounder and drafted Max Holmes. Geesook made us look like amateurs with that trade
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Ripped as a new one. Kong...
Not sure what they were doing, which decision was worse? Higgins after the 2017 flag or Giving your direct opposition Geelong a leg up in 2020 by trading them a pick, that ended up on a kid that was close to BOG in a final..
I don’t understand all the negativity in here. Three flags, just picked up two talented midfielders and everyone wants to keep wallowing in the past. Those picks are history, get over it fellas, all the belly aching and whinging won’t change a thing. There is literally millions of other clubs supporters who would love what we have and yet we continue to carry on like it is still 2004.
Calm your farm. It’s a strategy discussion, not a call for heads to roll.
Would it be a strategy discussion if I said let's get rid of Clarke and replace him with Kinnear Beatson or Jason Taylor?
sorry to quote meself, but page 7 back in may, responding to KK on the exact same issue, same conversation, same going off half cocked. In one ear and out the other.so back to this, to benchmark us:
2011 B Ellis pick 15
2012 Vlastuin pick 9
2013 Lennon pick 12
2014 C Ellis pick 12
2015 Rioli pick 15
2016 No first round pick, traded for Prestia (Bolton pick 29)
2017 CCJ pick 20
2018 RCD pick 20
2019 Dow pick 21
2020 No first round pick, traded for Geelong future
2021 Gibcus pick 8
So on our recruiting record, objectively. We've had 3 top 10 picks in 10 years, (importantly, none in the top 5), we took 2, which I'd say we nailed. The data says you nail 1 out of 3 (28% chance of 200 gamer). We've nailed 2 out of 2, or 3 out of 3, depending on how you want to look at it. We have beaten the odds convincingly with Vlastuin and gibcus, and got Prestia into the bargain, (and I won't mention Bolton because I know you love your arbitrary pick 18 cuttoff
So of the remaining 11-20 pick bracket, 2 outright, unequivocal busts, and I'll give you RCD. I reckon CCJ is a bust too as a player, but we got our money back on him so he wasn't a complete bust for us, neutral. I'll put the future trade as neutral too, but I feel good about Brown. Dow hard to assess, for balance I'll call him a win, but its debateable.
So sample of 6, Lennon, C Ellis, RCD crosses. B. Ellis, Rioli, Dow Ticks.
50% strike rate, The numbers set the benchmark at 48% chance of 100 gamer, 27% 200 gamer. I'd argue we've beaten the odds comfortably. The cherry on top, for me, was the Geelong future trade.
So you say our first round drafting has been a disaster, the numbers don't lie, and say the opposite. Depending on how you get into the nitty gritty and how harsh want to be, objectively, we've been solid at worst, and pretty damn good at best.
Damn, imagine having the ability of picking since 2012 at Melbourne a mini draft pick 2 for Hogan, main draft picks 2, 2, 3, 3, 4 used on Toumpas, a 4 again, 9, 12 and diluted father/son pick Viney coming cheap your way at 26.Would it be a strategy discussion if I said let's get rid of Clarke and replace him with Kinnear Beatson or Jason Taylor?
And Tigers since 2012 have picked at 6 traded for Prestia, 9, 9, 12, 12, 15, 17, 20 and 21 the lowest picks we had.
I would really hope you're doing something good with eight picks before 9 and not getting getting too many Toumpas's or Hogan's in.
Is Beatson the guy Nank is going to thank in his retirement speech for giving him the opportunity to win three flags! (Or maybe more)
A retrospective strategy ??. Why not focus ahead rather looking back then ??
We have crap picks in a poor draft. Talls selected will not be conspicuous in their number, or with two or three exceptions, their achievements to date.