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2022 Draft Thread
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Clark got his pants pulled down by Ashcroft in the last National Champs game. He is an inside grunt player similar to Hobbs last year. Hard at it but a little undersized and not particularly skilled. Not a slam dunk choice. Sonsie has the skills and class edge but not the same contested game.
It wasn't a reach. Sydney was devastated to miss him with the next pick, and other clubs were keen.
His player type was not a need though particularly if we knew we were getting Banks later on. Kai Lohmann was the pick we should have taken. A classy forward in the Toby Greene mould. We were keen and tried to trade up for him but Brisbane pounced.
Those calling for JVR I think are misplaced. Looks a Jay Schulz type forward at best. It's pointless taking key forwards unless they are top 10 talent. So few make it and those that do are top 10-12.
You may have been looking at the wrong values.
36 is worth 502 points
53 is worth 233
63 is worth 112
They would be losing points with that trade. No way they do it.
I can't see how we trade up from where we are. I don't see who would be interested in those low picks, as you infer it would need to be for someone who needs points but that only includes Brisbane, GWS, Essendon and Adelaide and I can't see a trade that makes sense for any of those clubs.
Our draft strategy has always been draft for talent and trade for need. Therefore its best available especially early in the draft.
So we clearly rated Brown over someone like Van Rooyen irrespective of the positions they played.
So we clearly rated Brown over someone like Van Rooyen irrespective of the positions they played.
Sonsie I ranked at 11, Clark I rank at 6 or 7, but I don't necessarily see them as similar types aside for the fact that they are midfielders. Clark is very much a meat & potatoes footballer, some are suggesting Selwood but I think Touk Miller is a better comaprison, Sonsie has a little bit more bling, his kicking depth is superior & I think he's a little bit more dangerous when resting forward. At this stage I take Sonsie but only with the benefit of seeing him at the highest level. I think Clark is actually a very safe pick, I think he's a good chance to be a 200 gamer.
Doesn’t matter what other clubs thought then.
I’m talking now in retrospect.
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That's my guy. Lit bit of dare I say it Jayden Short to him.
I like Northam tho, I still think there's a spot for guys like that.
I see shorter Nank. Think Northam has a leap. But when you look at 195cm players in the league, it's hard to see a match.
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I know blokes play taller but there isn't a true ruck in this group. That's why i would rookie Northam.
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Ryder was drafted at 194cm but grew 3cm, is there any growth left? That would be one question I may ponder. Probably the best example of an undersized ruck making the grade was Jason Blake, 219 games at the Saints & only 189cm. It's defintely possible, Ivan Maric was also drafted at 197cm, he grew another 3cm. Northam is right on the cusp, could be a very astute selection if he grows another 3cm.
I find it interesting that we have quite a high level of de-listings and retirements. Eight in all.
We have H+T coming in - so that is six down on last year's list. Let's say that we only want 5 replacements - leaving one space open for next year's mid-season draft - do we take 5 kids?
If we do take 5 kids that means that we will have 10 first- or second-year players with next to no experience on our list - almost a quarter of our entire list (not to mention Nyuon, Colina, Ryan). I suggest this is too much and leaves us vulnerable to the vagaries of a long season. Sure, giving opps to our youngsters will be good and beneficial in the long run - but I wouldn't want to have to do this out of necessity rather than choice.
Take our midfield - yes it is super strong - but it is not super deep. Beyond the group for the senior side we have only Short, Graham and Dow in reserve by my reckoning. Not enough to even carry the load in the VFL team.
Would it be prudent to get in some mids with senior experience via the draft - there are some recently delisted types which may be suitable? How about Mathieson? Or Wallis? Or even, dare I say it, try Stocker as a mid?
Sorry if this thinking has been standard fair on this board since our latest delistings - I haven't kept up with the last 20 pages or so.
We have H+T coming in - so that is six down on last year's list. Let's say that we only want 5 replacements - leaving one space open for next year's mid-season draft - do we take 5 kids?
If we do take 5 kids that means that we will have 10 first- or second-year players with next to no experience on our list - almost a quarter of our entire list (not to mention Nyuon, Colina, Ryan). I suggest this is too much and leaves us vulnerable to the vagaries of a long season. Sure, giving opps to our youngsters will be good and beneficial in the long run - but I wouldn't want to have to do this out of necessity rather than choice.
Take our midfield - yes it is super strong - but it is not super deep. Beyond the group for the senior side we have only Short, Graham and Dow in reserve by my reckoning. Not enough to even carry the load in the VFL team.
Would it be prudent to get in some mids with senior experience via the draft - there are some recently delisted types which may be suitable? How about Mathieson? Or Wallis? Or even, dare I say it, try Stocker as a mid?
Sorry if this thinking has been standard fair on this board since our latest delistings - I haven't kept up with the last 20 pages or so.
We have 5 free spots. Bauer took 1 of the free spots that you are referencing.
I wouldn't be against a DFA but I suspect we are more likely to take a player with a rookie draft pick if we are looking for depth as I think we will use the 2 spots on the main list for fresh draftees.
Edmends yep but can’t get with your Northam Scoop. Competitive but at 195 and a pretty average kick too, I’m not going there.
He competes. Size doesn't really matter after that. The Ivy Maric prototype isn't actually the worst comparison Bully. If he gets to 197cm, I could see him making it as a scrappy ruck who competes when the ball hits the deck.
I reckon they will get better offers than that on the night but you never know
You are dead right, and we've been aligned on kicking for year. My hard and fast rule on kicking only gets bypassed for one type, competitive rucks.
Northam gets a look over that. And he's not a must-have but if I could rookie him, I would in a heartbeat.
I think the points trade off didn't quite benefit Brisbane so I think you're correct. Fingers crossed for Lemmey, I think we can look forward with some optimism if he drifts a bit. Will be touch & go.
That works well when you are prepared to trade out surplus talent for market returns. Unfortunately, we don't seem to be willing to do that.
We rarely get market rate and often hang on to surplus players (Graham for example) on culture grounds.
I think we have done that on multiple occassions.
CCJ the most recent example.
As for Graham being surplus need, we are looking to build midfield depth so not sure why you would mention him.