2022 Draft Thread

[spook]

Hard to believe on what we have seen that they rated Brown above Sonsie

I would hazard a guess we were in the market for a quick, classy, intercepting half-back, and when Brisbane took Wilmot the pick before ours, we didn't think Brown would last to 28 given how highly rated he was (he would have gone to Sydney at pick 18 apparently). We could have calculated that if Sonsie was gone by 28, another mid like Johnson, Butler or MacDonald would be there, and we didn't have as much of a gap in our rankings there as we did with Brown and the next-best HBF. e.g. we'd rather have Brown and MacDonald than Sonz and whoever the next-best intercepting HBF was.

Clark got his pants pulled down by Ashcroft in the last National Champs game. He is an inside grunt player similar to Hobbs last year. Hard at it but a little undersized and not particularly skilled. Not a slam dunk choice.

That's pretty much my read on him too.

Those calling for JVR I think are misplaced. Looks a Jay Schulz type forward at best. It's pointless taking key forwards unless they are top 10 talent. So few make it and those that do are top 10-12.

Except Jay could jump. JVR's leap is about as good as mine.

I find it interesting that we have quite a high level of de-listings and retirements. Eight in all.

We have H+T coming in - so that is six down on last year's list. Let's say that we only want 5 replacements - leaving one space open for next year's mid-season draft - do we take 5 kids?

If we do take 5 kids that means that we will have 10 first- or second-year players with next to no experience on our list - almost a quarter of our entire list (not to mention Nyuon, Colina, Ryan). I suggest this is too much and leaves us vulnerable to the vagaries of a long season. Sure, giving opps to our youngsters will be good and beneficial in the long run - but I wouldn't want to have to do this out of necessity rather than choice.

Take our midfield - yes it is super strong - but it is not super deep. Beyond the group for the senior side we have only Short, Graham and Dow in reserve by my reckoning. Not enough to even carry the load in the VFL team.

Would it be prudent to get in some mids with senior experience via the draft - there are some recently delisted types which may be suitable? How about Mathieson? Or Wallis? Or even, dare I say it, try Stocker as a mid?

Sorry if this thinking has been standard fair on this board since our latest delistings - I haven't kept up with the last 20 pages or so.

I reckon we will pick a state leaguer or two. Possibly Tylar Young and there are whispers around a WAFL mid.

 

[Dont Argue]

I find it interesting that we have quite a high level of de-listings and retirements. Eight in all.

We have H+T coming in - so that is six down on last year's list. Let's say that we only want 5 replacements - leaving one space open for next year's mid-season draft - do we take 5 kids?

If we do take 5 kids that means that we will have 10 first- or second-year players with next to no experience on our list - almost a quarter of our entire list (not to mention Nyuon, Colina, Ryan). I suggest this is too much and leaves us vulnerable to the vagaries of a long season. Sure, giving opps to our youngsters will be good and beneficial in the long run - but I wouldn't want to have to do this out of necessity rather than choice.

Take our midfield - yes it is super strong - but it is not super deep. Beyond the group for the senior side we have only Short, Graham and Dow in reserve by my reckoning. Not enough to even carry the load in the VFL team.

Would it be prudent to get in some mids with senior experience via the draft - there are some recently delisted types which may be suitable? How about Mathieson? Or Wallis? Or even, dare I say it, try Stocker as a mid?

Sorry if this thinking has been standard fair on this board since our latest delistings - I haven't kept up with the last 20 pages or so.

I said the exact same thing in a previous thread.
We have very little depth.
The 4 players we delisted last week were our 4 best contested players in the VFL. Actually probably our only contested players.
Hope Sonsie and other young players like Judd and Banks don’t get smashed in the clearances by seasoned men.
Graham or Ross may lend a hand if our list in the seniors is healthy but we are incredibly young and developing.
Hope injury gods are kind to us

 

[bullus_hit]

I would hazard a guess we were in the market for a quick, classy, intercepting half-back, and when Brisbane took Wilmot the pick before ours, we didn't think Brown would last to 28 given how highly rated he was (he would have gone to Sydney at pick 18 apparently). We could have calculated that if Sonsie was gone by 28, another mid like Johnson, Butler or MacDonald would be there, and we didn't have as much of a gap in our rankings there as we did with Brown and the next-best HBF. e.g. we'd rather have Brown and MacDonald than Sonz and whoever the next-best intercepting HBF was.


That's pretty much my read on him too.


Except Jay could jump. JVR's leap is about as good as mine.


I reckon we will pick a state leaguer or two. Possibly Tylar Young and there are whispers around a WAFL mid.

Joshua Browne, 22 disposals a match (high of 36), runs all day & is ultra professional. He's one I'd rookie.

 

[bullus_hit]

Anyone seen Ballenden play SANFL? Seems to have found a niche for himself as a forward/ruck, might be worth a stab.

 

[King Kong]

I find it interesting that we have quite a high level of de-listings and retirements. Eight in all.

We have H+T coming in - so that is six down on last year's list. Let's say that we only want 5 replacements - leaving one space open for next year's mid-season draft - do we take 5 kids?

If we do take 5 kids that means that we will have 10 first- or second-year players with next to no experience on our list - almost a quarter of our entire list (not to mention Nyuon, Colina, Ryan). I suggest this is too much and leaves us vulnerable to the vagaries of a long season. Sure, giving opps to our youngsters will be good and beneficial in the long run - but I wouldn't want to have to do this out of necessity rather than choice.

Take our midfield - yes it is super strong - but it is not super deep. Beyond the group for the senior side we have only Short, Graham and Dow in reserve by my reckoning. Not enough to even carry the load in the VFL team.

Would it be prudent to get in some mids with senior experience via the draft - there are some recently delisted types which may be suitable? How about Mathieson? Or Wallis? Or even, dare I say it, try Stocker as a mid?

Sorry if this thinking has been standard fair on this board since our latest delistings - I haven't kept up with the last 20 pages or so.

Seems like we'll be upgrading a number of Rookies. Pickett, Biggy and Miller all in line for an upgrade and take 2 picks in the draft. Lets hope for another Rioli / Ryan draft like last time we only had 2 later picks.

 

[eZyT]

Yeah Cotch and Bont are gliders more than sprinters.

The best testing areas to look at are maybe the Agility Test, Yo-Yo Test and Beep Test. They seem to be the tests that have a few good AFL names to them.

Vertical Jump Test​

rank	score (cm)	name	year
1	89	Aiden Bonar	2017
	89	Jordan Gallucci	2016
3	88 cm (34.5")	Marvin Baynham	2014
4	85 cm (33.5")	Dean Towers	2012
5	84	Godfrey Okerenyang	2020
6	83 cm (32.5")	Trent Croad	1997
	83	Jesse Lonergan	2012
8	82	Kyron Hayden	2017
	82	Spencer White	2012
10	81	David Gourdis	2007

Running Vertical Jump​

This list is collated with limited results from some years, so is incomplete

rank	score (cm)	name	year
1	107	Leek Alleer	2021
2	103	Kyron Hayden	2017
3	102	Jared Brennan	2002
	102	Nick Naitanui	2008
5	101	David Gourdis	2007
6	100	Corey Warner	2021
	100	Spencer White	2012
8	99	Dominic Bedendo	2020
9	98	James Van Es	2022
	98	Brady Rowles	2019

Agility Run​

rank	score (sec)	name	year
1	7.70	Darcy Jones	2022
2	7.77	Stephen Hill	2008
3	7.79	Danyle Pearce	2004
4	7.80	Elliot Yeo	2011
	7.80	Nathan Van Berlo	2004
6	7.86	Ahmed Saad	2011
7	7.88	David Armitage	2006
8	7.89	Nathan Street	2001
9	7.90	Brodie Lake	2020
	7.90	Billie Smedts	2010
	7.90	Kieran Lovell	2015

20m Sprint​

This list does not include results from the year 2000 due to unreliable test results. Dublin's James Madden ran 2.69 at the 2017 European combine.

rank	score (sec)	name	year
1	2.75	Joel Wilkinson	2010
2	2.78	Brad Harvey	2010
	2.78	Jonathon Marsh	2013
4	2.79	Danyle Pearce	2004
5	2.80	Ashley Smith	2008
6	2.81	Edward Allan	2022
	2.81	Marvin Baynham	2014
	2.81	Nathan Batley	2010
	2.81	Adam Saad	2012
10	2.82	Jack Watts	2008
	2.82	Nathan Freeman	2013
	2.82	Luke Livingston	2000

2-km Time Trial (first held in 2017)​

rank	result (min:secs)	name	year
1	5:28	Harry Sharp	2020
2	5:48	Cooper Hamilton	2021
3	5:50	Jay Rantall	2019
4	5:51	Finn Maginness	2019
5	5:52	Fraser Rodman	2020
6	5:54	Oliver Hollands	2022
	5:54	Jason Gillbee	2022
8	5:57	Josh Ward (Strava)	2021
9	5:58	Hamish Sinnott	2021
10	5:59	Josh Fahey (Strava)	2021
	6:00	Jaxon Binns	2022
	6:01	Dylan Stephens	2019

Yo-Yo Test (held from 2017-2019)​

rank	score (sec)	name	year
1	22.4	Andrew Brayshaw	2017
2	22.3	Dylan Moore	2017
3	22.2	Ned McHenry	2018
4	22.1	Sam Walsh	2018
	22.1	Luke English	2018
6	21.8	Jay Rantall	2019
	21.8	Cooper Stephens	2019
	21.8	Matthew Ling	2017
	21.8	Alex Martini	2017
	21.8	Aaron Naughton	2017
	21.8	Jaidyn Stephenson	2017
	21.8	Will Golds	2018

Repeat Sprint​

The repetitive sprint test was introduced in 2006, and discontinued in 2017. The test requires players to run 30m six times, with a 20-second break between each sprint.

rank	score (seconds)	name	year
1	23.40	Joel Wilkinson	2010
2	23.46	Brad Harvey	2010
3	23.59	Chris Kangars	2007
4	23.62	Nathan Freeman	2013
5	23.64	Ahmed Saad	2011
6	23.69	Shaun Atley	2010
7	23.79	Lachlan Delgleish	2011
8	23.82	Devon Smith	2011
9	23.84	Kieran Harper	2010
10	23.87	Matthew Haynes	2011

Beep Test - discontinued in 2017​

rank	score (level)	name	year
1	16.06	Billy Hartung	2013
2	16.02	Joshua Schoenfeld	2015
3	16.01	Caleb Daniel	2014
	16.01	Jack Hiscox	2014
	16.01	Brad Hill	2011
6	15.12	Will Hoskin-Elliott	2011
7	15.09	Nathan Drummond	2014
8	15.08	Tom Rischbieth	2005
	15.08	Mark Berts	2000
10	15.07	Tom Sheridan	2011
	15.07	Hayden Hector	2010

Anthony McKee from Queensland scored 15.10 on the beep test at the state screening testing in 2002.

3-km Time Trial (replaced with 2-km time trial in 2017)​

rank	result (min:secs)	name	year
1	9:15	Josh Schoenfeld	2015
2	9:18	Jack Hiscox	2014
3	9:30	Tom Rischbieth	2005
4	9:32	Josh Kelly	2013
5	9:37	Tim Houlihan	2006
6	9:43	Kallen Geary	2009
7	9:45	Tom Lamb	2014
8	9.46	Jarrod Berry	2016
	9:46	Nick Robertson	2013
10	9:47	Thomas Jok	2015

That data strongly supports my theory,

That the combine is a measure

Of whose who of nobodies.

Its usefullness is in excluding footballers

 

[Ricemagic]

That data strongly supports my theory,

That the combine is a measure

Of whose who of nobodies.

Its usefullness is in excluding footballers

Game tape means way more than combine form.

 

[Smoking Aces]

I said the exact same thing in a previous thread.
We have very little depth.
The 4 players we delisted last week were our 4 best contested players in the VFL. Actually probably our only contested players.
Hope Sonsie and other young players like Judd and Banks don’t get smashed in the clearances by seasoned men.
Graham or Ross may lend a hand if our list in the seniors is healthy but we are incredibly young and developing.
Hope injury gods are kind to us

Interesting observations. Yeah I see what you are saying but we are effectively replacing Hopper and Taranto for RCD and Aarts. And we can’t play all over Hopper Taranto Cotchin Prestia Ross Sonsie Graham in the seniors. So the overall effect will be nil.

Gut feel says we take two maturish picks in the draft. Could be a good time to pick a state leaguer with more form on the board.

 

[King Kong]

Interesting observations. Yeah I see what you are saying but we are effectively replacing Hopper and Taranto for RCD and Aarts. And we can’t play all over Hopper Taranto Cotchin Prestia Ross Sonsie Graham in the seniors. So the overall effect will be nil.

Gut feel says we take two maturish picks in the draft. Could be a good time to pick a state leaguer with more form on the board.

Nah we'll go kids - we are upgrading experienced rookies so will want some new talent coming in. It sparks the 2nd year kids alone knowing someone is gunning for them

 

[tigerman]

Selecting Pickett in the mid season draft has been an outstanding success, and while it's early days, Bauer is looking very promising.
Saving a place on the list for for an experienced player like Pickett or for someone like Bauer who showed good form after not getting drafted the year before is a good strategy, and could dig up a diamond.

 

[bullus_hit]

Game tape means way more than combine form.

I will confess that I was turned off both Bont & Cripps due to running data, particularly speed, have since disregarded most of this information. Priddis I think ran a hideously slow time, another example of the dangers in relying on sprint data.

Does this make the Allan sprint time a bit of a trap?

 

[Dont Argue]

Interesting observations. Yeah I see what you are saying but we are effectively replacing Hopper and Taranto for RCD and Aarts. And we can’t play all over Hopper Taranto Cotchin Prestia Ross Sonsie Graham in the seniors. So the overall effect will be nil.

Gut feel says we take two maturish picks in the draft. Could be a good time to pick a state leaguer with more form on the board.

Not sure I agree with Hopper and Taranto replacing RCD and Aarts. Think they replaced Edwards and Lambert.
Definitely agree with KK that the players delisted will be replaced by younger untried ones so net result is we’ve lost a bit of depth and some hardened bodies to protect our young players.

 

[Leysy Days]

Yeah you'd hope we'll get some strength around the contest by getting some decent VFL listed players in that role.

The quality of the VFL list has dropped off in past few years. Be good to see us invest a bit more in that area.

Morris, Coffield, Silvestro, Beasley, Ballard etc.

 

[Redford]

That data strongly supports my theory,

That the combine is a measure

Of whose who of nobodies.

Its usefullness is in excluding footballers

So after 28 years you’re saying the Combine has run its race ?

 

[Scoop]

I would hazard a guess we were in the market for a quick, classy, intercepting half-back, and when Brisbane took Wilmot the pick before ours, we didn't think Brown would last to 28 given how highly rated he was (he would have gone to Sydney at pick 18 apparently). We could have calculated that if Sonsie was gone by 28, another mid like Johnson, Butler or MacDonald would be there, and we didn't have as much of a gap in our rankings there as we did with Brown and the next-best HBF. e.g. we'd rather have Brown and MacDonald than Sonz and whoever the next-best intercepting HBF was.


That's pretty much my read on him too.


Except Jay could jump. JVR's leap is about as good as mine.


I reckon we will pick a state leaguer or two. Possibly Tylar Young and there are whispers around a WAFL mid.

We would be frothing like mad if we had a key forward in our twos who was doing this in year one.

Goals of every type possible. Elite prospect.

 

[jokershoppe]

I would hazard a guess we were in the market for a quick, classy, intercepting half-back, and when Brisbane took Wilmot the pick before ours, we didn't think Brown would last to 28 given how highly rated he was (he would have gone to Sydney at pick 18 apparently). We could have calculated that if Sonsie was gone by 28, another mid like Johnson, Butler or MacDonald would be there, and we didn't have as much of a gap in our rankings there as we did with Brown and the next-best HBF. e.g. we'd rather have Brown and MacDonald than Sonz and whoever the next-best intercepting HBF was.


That's pretty much my read on him too.


Except Jay could jump. JVR's leap is about as good as mine.


I reckon we will pick a state leaguer or two. Possibly Tylar Young and there are whispers around a WAFL mid.

Who's the WAFL mid

 

[spook]

We would be frothing like mad if we had a key forward in our twos who was doing this in year one.

Goals of every type possible. Elite prospect.

Promising. 18 games, 36 goals.

Bauer 15 SANFL/VFL games, 32 goals.

JVR is a workhorse and definitely talented. Strong, with good endurance, rather than pace and power. He did get off the ground once in that clip. The way things turned out I'm happy to say it's looking like we would be better off if we'd taken him instead of Brown. Would you take him if the butterfly effect meant we missed out on the Sonz?

Edit: Notice his one highlight against us was replayed three times? Biggie gave him an absolute bath that day. JVR 5 touches, Biggie 14, 8 marks. Good sign for our lad.

 

[spook]

Who's the WAFL mid

Loose lips sink ships. Not Browne.

 

[Smoking Aces]

Loose lips sink ships. Not Browne.

Recently delisted?

 

[Redford]

Promising. 18 games, 36 goals.

Bauer 15 SANFL/VFL games, 32 goals.

JVR is a workhorse and definitely talented. Strong, with good endurance, rather than pace and power. He did get off the ground once in that clip. The way things turned out I'm happy to say it's looking like we would be better off if we'd taken him instead of Brown. Would you take him if the butterfly effect meant we missed out on the Sonz?

Edit: Notice his one highlight against us was replayed three times? Biggie gave him an absolute bath that day. JVR 5 touches, Biggie 14, 8 marks. Good sign for our lad.

Pretty early to be making a call on Brown v JVR isn’t it ?