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2025 Draft Thread
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Keep in mind GC may also trade back their picks 15 and 18 to acquire more points.
A tandem from Cumming, Robey and XT seems reasonable given what's on offer in this draft (still much prefer a split and taking 3 in the top 12 if it were possible but that's unlikely).
However, where is the 100%, hard running Bona fide mid-on baller from these last 2 drafts ?
Where is the Cotchin or Prestia ? The McIntosh ? The Daicos or Bont. Butters. The genuine all-game long, running midfielder. So far, we've selected hybrids. Essentially fwd-mids. Renko is a long shot at it.
Smillie is about the best of it but we all know his struggles and he's not a good runner anyway. He tends to lope from contest to contest. The rest - Lalor, Hotton, Alger, and now Cumming and Robey are all fwd-mids. Hybrids. None are 100%, all game long midfielders. Yet. Can they move into that role ? Gee, dunno. Prefer to see some kids that already have that resume.
I get that we can't fix everything in just 2 drafts, and we're a bit limited with this particular draft as well, and maybe we'll hit the FA market in a few years. But I'd like to see us target some home grown, pure midfielders-on ballers, soon.
To that end, I think pick 38 becomes really important tonight. If the likes of a Burton, Dalton, BOB and so on are there, we've gotta take one of them. (Kellaway as a Rookie would also help). They are plug and play mids. I hear we have some interest in another big man at 38 (not Kong), but I'd like to see us take a proper midfielder-on baller tonight at 38.
Still a lot of work for Blair and Rhy to do over the next few years. Bona fide mids, ruck stocks, you could maybe mount an argument for another tallish defender. But I'd like to see us really nail some hard running, dedicated junior mids the next 12 months. Not hybrids that 'might' become that.
However, where is the 100%, hard running Bona fide mid-on baller from these last 2 drafts ?
Where is the Cotchin or Prestia ? The McIntosh ? The Daicos or Bont. Butters. The genuine all-game long, running midfielder. So far, we've selected hybrids. Essentially fwd-mids. Renko is a long shot at it.
Smillie is about the best of it but we all know his struggles and he's not a good runner anyway. He tends to lope from contest to contest. The rest - Lalor, Hotton, Alger, and now Cumming and Robey are all fwd-mids. Hybrids. None are 100%, all game long midfielders. Yet. Can they move into that role ? Gee, dunno. Prefer to see some kids that already have that resume.
I get that we can't fix everything in just 2 drafts, and we're a bit limited with this particular draft as well, and maybe we'll hit the FA market in a few years. But I'd like to see us target some home grown, pure midfielders-on ballers, soon.
To that end, I think pick 38 becomes really important tonight. If the likes of a Burton, Dalton, BOB and so on are there, we've gotta take one of them. (Kellaway as a Rookie would also help). They are plug and play mids. I hear we have some interest in another big man at 38 (not Kong), but I'd like to see us take a proper midfielder-on baller tonight at 38.
Still a lot of work for Blair and Rhy to do over the next few years. Bona fide mids, ruck stocks, you could maybe mount an argument for another tallish defender. But I'd like to see us really nail some hard running, dedicated junior mids the next 12 months. Not hybrids that 'might' become that.
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Yep, fully expect that to happen. Hopefully they trade back into our desired range ... before current pick #38.
In all reality, only him and Duursma are the 2 genuine mids in the top 10, albeit Sharp isn't that great a runner so happy to miss on him. We have enough of those types.
I’d argue Cumming is more of a genuine mid than Duurs. Could def see him being basically a full timer but with some bonus positional versatility
Rough back-of-the-envelope stuff.
Those mooted Carlton trades (21, 27, 25, 30) will basically get swallowed up in bid matching for Dean*.
21 probably becomes 23 but the others will remain roughly where they are.
Barring other pick swaps (e.g., Gold Coast), our #38 comes in further to #31.
(That new pick #30 for Carlton probably pushes back to just before our #38, so no benefit to us.)
Haven't factored in a bid for Ison but probably not material in the calcs.
*I've based this on Dean being bid upon by West Coast at #3
Those mooted Carlton trades (21, 27, 25, 30) will basically get swallowed up in bid matching for Dean*.
21 probably becomes 23 but the others will remain roughly where they are.
Barring other pick swaps (e.g., Gold Coast), our #38 comes in further to #31.
(That new pick #30 for Carlton probably pushes back to just before our #38, so no benefit to us.)
Haven't factored in a bid for Ison but probably not material in the calcs.
*I've based this on Dean being bid upon by West Coast at #3
Interesting Twombstone saying that Richmond have been very tight lipped about their preferences hoping that someone eg Arsendon might bite and allow us to split.
Can 100% guarantee that providing the offer was right, that is the club's preference. A 101 good draft strategy this year.
Seems unlikely though.
Can 100% guarantee that providing the offer was right, that is the club's preference. A 101 good draft strategy this year.
Seems unlikely though.
Lalor is a mid ,he played his bottom age as a inside mid,who rested up forward ,,he had to improve his outside game which he did in the last couple of games in his bottom age,of course injury lack of fitness made him play more forward last year,but he is a mid............
If we do take another two FWD/MIDs, is not that a better outcome than just a pure mid ?
I mean we may be focusing on that to have the most flexibility possible
What difference does it make if we have 6 fwd/mids rotating 50/50 : Hotton, Robey, Cummings, Lalor, Taranto, Smillie
compared to 3 full time mids
If the split is 50/50 its is the same outcome, but with more flexibility, more goals, more rest, more options
Cannot see the downside personally
I mean we may be focusing on that to have the most flexibility possible
What difference does it make if we have 6 fwd/mids rotating 50/50 : Hotton, Robey, Cummings, Lalor, Taranto, Smillie
compared to 3 full time mids
If the split is 50/50 its is the same outcome, but with more flexibility, more goals, more rest, more options
Cannot see the downside personally
Those mids aren't in this draft - at least not at the top end - which is one of the reasons it's weak. You gotta fish where the fish are.
My worry is we have a Gieschen calling the shots. We were bold last year and it looks like we hit the jackpot and I want us to continue in that vein. I know you shouldn't judge a son by his father but I'm nervous he'll want to be seen not to get it wrong - especially because it's his first year.
Every noise we've made sounds like we want to split. I'm okay with that if we get Robey first but if he's the carrot to entice a swap I think it's timid, and a big mistake.