2nd Ruck

[Juffaricho]

Here's a tip. How about instead of this constant crap on about Patto we wait until Round 1 and see if he is named on the bench as our 2nd ruck. If so, then we will list all the other teams 2nd rucks sitting on the bench and see how they compare. I have a feeling that those who rate Patto as an absolute hack will then have some extremely harsh words for the majority of the other 2nd rucks in the league at the moment.

 

[Baloo]

Here's a tip. How about instead of this constant crap on about Patto we wait until Round 1 and see if he is named on the bench as our 2nd ruck. If so, then we will list all the other teams 2nd rucks sitting on the bench and see how they compare. I have a feeling that those who rate Patto as an absolute hack will then have some extremely harsh words for the majority of the other 2nd rucks in the league at the moment.

Don't be silly. It's glass half empty at RFC, glass half full everywhere else.

As long as EFC name Laycock in their team, I'm happy to have Patto.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

Interesting Stat from Sunday,s game-Source AFL.com[Re:Sandilands]

The giant ruckman had 35 hit-outs to Richmond's combined 30, but his side didn't capitalise, notching just two more clearances than Richmond.

 

[Mr Brightside]

Interesting Stat from Sunday,s game-Source AFL.com[Re:Sandilands]

The giant ruckman had 35 hit-outs to Richmond's combined 30, but his side didn't capitalise, notching just two more clearances than Richmond.

More proof Ruckman are just filling holes ;D, Putt and Vickery no doubt will form part of a great 3 headed monster in not to long, been a few flags won by teams with hardly adequate 2nd rucks

 

[Dyer Disciple]

I find it hard to fathom that some people still think Patto is a ruck.

Gus has to be given the 2nd Ruck position this year, (I'm not confident in him at all, but it's a monty), unless he fails abysmally. I can't see him playing worse than Pattison in the ruck, so I think he will be ok and he offers something different to Simmo in match ups which is important.

Vickery will obviously take time to develop, so my next big hope for the 2nd Ruck is Putt. I think he actually offers something. His knee injury was dissapointing as I was hoping he would over take Gus this year for the 2nd Ruck position.

So I think it has to go to Gus, if for no other reason than who is most developed/fit for the role then to finally give him plenty of opportunity in order to properly assess him.

I think our future will be a Vickery/Putt ruck tandem though longer term and that Gus is just "filling a hole" for now. I hope I'm wrong. Be very handy if Gus can develop.

Then we can get something for him at the Draft Table...oh sorry, thought we were coached by Laidley for a moment.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Interesting Stat from Sunday,s game-Source AFL.com[Re:Sandilands]

The giant ruckman had 35 hit-outs to Richmond's combined 30, but his side didn't capitalise, notching just two more clearances than Richmond.

That is classic Freo though, they continually fail to capitalize on the advantage Sandilands gives them. Do they have the worst midfield in the AFL? I say yes.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

That is classic Freo though, they continually fail to capitalize on the advantage Sandilands gives them. Do they have the worst midfield in the AFL? I say yes.

Actually, from what I know of your hobby project you probably know better than I do, but one criticism I have of Sandilands is that he is a poor ruck in terms of tapping to advantage. Good midfields shark opposition taps, let alone their own, that's how St Kilda got by for so long without a decent ruck under Thomas.

Yet you get found out, like they did, when you get ruckman who can tap "smart/to advantage". Sandilands is still learning the game (scary but true), if you watch him closely he seems to struggle with the mental side of rucking. He gets so many taps purely from his massive physical advantage, not from his smarts.

Agree with you Fremantle's midfield is ordinary, but i don't think you can give Sandliands a pass there either.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Actually, from what I know of your hobby project you probably know better than I do, but one criticism I have of Sandilands is that he is a poor ruck in terms of tapping to advantage. Good midfields shark opposition taps, let alone their own, that's how St Kilda got by for so long without a decent ruck under Thomas.

Yet you get found out, like they did, when you get ruckman who can tap "smart/to advantage". Sandilands is still learning the game (scary but true), if you watch him closely he seems to struggle with the mental side of rucking. He gets so many taps purely from his massive physical advantage, not from his smarts.

Agree with you Fremantle's midfield is ordinary, but i don't think you can give Sandliands a pass there either.

Yeah definitely you can't let Sandilands off the hook, he rucks like the kid playing junior footy who is 195cm at 17. He punches all the taps forward because it is a mucho cool thing to show he is beating the other ruckman, but he drives his midfielders nuts because he doesn't tap into their space. Ok to do this at 17, bad when you a a professional footballer.

It's a bit of both really, look at the names Freo had playing in the midfield on Sunday, it's a car crash.

 

[IanG]

I find it hard to fathom that some people still think Patto is a ruck.

Gus has to be given the 2nd Ruck position this year, (I'm not confident in him at all, but it's a monty), unless he fails abysmally. I can't see him playing worse than Pattison in the ruck, so I think he will be ok and he offers something different to Simmo in match ups which is important.

Agreed, Patto has to now be tried at CHF.

Vickery will obviously take time to develop, so my next big hope for the 2nd Ruck is Putt. I think he actually offers something. His knee injury was dissapointing

What knee injury? ACL?

 

[Dyer Disciple]

What knee injury? ACL?

Sorry Ian, didn't mean to ring alarm bells. I was referring to his injury last year, it would have slowed his recent development.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

*bump*

If you take a look at time on ground our second ruck (Browne or Gus) has spend about 35% of the time on the ground thus far this year. This is extremely low by any standards (Edwards get 62% ToG) and rucks, the AFL average for second rucks is about 60% and that's what Patto got roughly last year.

This is basically means that the Richmond second ruck is the least played of any player in the AFL, good work team!

 

[tha8ball]

Patto is our best second ruck option by the flemington straight atm.

 

[Spirit of Jack]

Patto is our best second ruck option by the flemington straight atm.

i reluctantly concur...only because of the others, one is a rookie and the other (Gus) will never be a footballer