56 out of 378

[lamb22]

That's the number of possessions Tuck and Jackson had out of Richmond's total disposals.

In other words they had more than one seventh of Tiges total possessions. They also had over 20% of our inside 50s

Unlikely to win when that happens. I'd reconsider the game plan if I were Terry!

 

[Dyer'ere]

Both players are built for the game, Robert.

On the I50 thing, well, players know who to zone off. And in Jacko's case he earns the space he finds. But please note that when the captain had the chance to send it in he kicked it backwards- not even his customary sideways. (I'm still going insane over that. Aaarrrrggghh!!)

Tuck and Jacko can get the pill even when the nasty Swans (albeit in 2nd gear) are around the packs.

Shame we don't have another dozen heavy duty types. We could play some football then.

 

[Liverpool]

When I read the title of the thread, I thought it may have been the games we had won.... :hihi

 

[Rosy]

In other words they had more than one seventh of Tiges total possessions. They also had over 20% of our inside 50s

Unlikely to win when that happens.

They are both very handy players, not rolls royces but good workhorses who actually get in and do something. We get closer in games because of Tucky and Jacko's efforts. We'd be more likely to win if others had as much guts, endevour and determination.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

They are both very handy players, not rolls royces but good workhorses who actually get in and do something. We get closer in games because of Tucky and Jacko's efforts. We'd be more likely to win if others had as much guts, endevour and determination.

Just posted something similar on the player of the round thread. I was musing as to how much guts is required (and shown by Jacko, Collins Tuck, Cogs) to take risks and back yourself when you play in a side that isn't really protecting you i.e. providing shepherds, gut running into space etc? I'm hoping that these guys can pull the side along with them and we'll start to see more real team oriented behaviour and blokes willing to put themselves on the line the way these guys do.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

Although Jacko still makes mistakes, anyone else noticed that he's better when he doesn't think about things? His efforts yesterday were outstanding. What makes his performance more impressive was the fact that he was manning up on Goodes and actually beat the Brownlow medallist.

 

[lamb22]

Not an overt criticism of the boys more how the team structures up. In fact I am interested in how Jackson is tracking as he seems very coachable and keeps showing improvement.

However you dont want Jacko and Tuck being your key inside 50 men. You've got be make the right decisions and spot people up inside 50. For all their attributes Jacko and Tuck dont do that, (although Jackson is trying .........................................


very trying actually ;D Just kidding..........sorta)

 

[Scoop]

And out of that 56 there was 10 clangers. 1 in 5.6 touches results in the other side getting the ball back.

It's all about hurt factor with the ball in your hands. These two don't hurt, ergo the other team don't target them.

 

[lamb22]

They are both very handy players, not rolls royces but good workhorses who actually get in and do something. We get closer in games because of Tucky and Jacko's efforts. We'd be more likely to win if others had as much guts, endevour and determination.

Sorry, I missed the highlighted sentence before...excuse the typing but I think I sprained something when I fell out my chair reading the above.

Obviously we go to different games. I go to the ones were oppositions put their best ball users as distributers and Richmond do their comedy caper routines with Jacko, Tucky and White earnestly and diligently huffing and puffing and then after doing all the gut busting stuff meekly, although often inventively, handing it over to the opposition in some form of japanese humiliation ritual or surrealist comic theatre.

The lads give it 100% no doubt but they are the blue collars in the side. With ball in hand they have delusions of adequacy. someone should tell them that the fancy stuff (like kicking to a lead rather than 15 metres over their heads) should be the domain of Deledio, Tambling, Cotchin & Co (I acknowledge Co might have a small membership)

 

[GoodOne]

There's no doubt Tuck and Jackson are two of our poorer disposalists. It does hurt the team at times. I agree that it is going to be difficult to win a game when these two are our most profilic possession winners and key inside 50 producers. The Deledios, Cotchins and Collinss are where we will need the ball coming from in the future. So at least we have something to look forward to.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

There's no doubt Tuck and Jackson are two of our poorer disposalists. It does hurt the team at times. I agree that it is going to be difficult to win a game when these two are our most profilic possession winners and key inside 50 producers. The Deledios, Cotchins and Collinss are where we will need the ball coming from in the future. So at least we have something to look forward to.

If Lids had half of Jackson's inside game he would have won the brownlow last year

 

[GoodOne]

If Lids had half of Jackson's inside game he would have won the brownlow last year

Have always said Jackson is very good at getting the ball. Knows where to be. But it's Lids who gets tagged every week, not Jackson. Why would that be?

 

[lamb22]

If Lids had half of Jackson's inside game he would have won the brownlow last year

Jacko is great at going in a straight line for the ball, but an inside game implies you advantage your team in a hard contested ball situation. Jacko doesn't do that. Jacko reminds me of a loyal labrador who has two thoughts in his head. the first is "get the ball, get the ball". Then after he gets it you can actually see a pause and the switch click to "get rid of the ball, get rid of the ball". Instinctive players see the play around them and position themselves in the contest to advantage their side. sometimes it means not going for the ball and blocking or sheperding instead for a teammate.

I give as an example a contested ball near the boundary line yesterday in the first quarter. Jacko as usal is in the thick of it. It spills to the outiside where Foley is hovering. Jacko could do a number of things:

1. Nothing and Foley would get the ball with some room to move
2. Tap to Foley and sheperd/ block the players behind him and give Foley more time to move; or
3. Dive on the ball taking the ball off Foley as he is bending to pick it up and cause a ball up (and give the ump a chance to give a free against him)


Which option do you think Jacko took?

 

[hutstar]

There is nothing wrong with either of these guys - the least of our worries.
That doesn't change the point of the thread though, which is fundamentally correct.
These guys should not be going into 50 as much and should be using the ball better - but the guys who SHOULD be using it are not involved in the plays they should be. things need to be changed at a strategic level so that our ball users are given more opportunity, but will they have the nuts to take that opportunity? For now, i doubt it.

 

[Massai]

They are both very handy players, not rolls royces but good workhorses who actually get in and do something. We get closer in games because of Tucky and Jacko's efforts. We'd be more likely to win if others had as much guts, endevour and determination.

Jackson has done well over the last two games, he's starting to be more consistent with his game and you can't fault his efforts in getting ball out, same with Tuck. Foley needs to lift his game, Newman too, I'd drop the pair of them if they don't play well this week against Brisbane, give Delidio the Captains role, with Coughlan as VC.

Jackson shut Goodes out of the game and made some handy contributions, Tuck was Tucky, we've got two in and under types, plus Cogs, we've got to get Cousins and Cotchin back on the field to take the pressure off Delidio and Foley, that way the midfield strength is oh so much better, plus the disposal skills of both Cuz and Cotch are sorely needed for kicking the ball and hitting the relevant player right on their chest.

If Jacko and Tucky got that many possession's good on them, but they've got to use those possessions wisely, they'll learn. The other lesson from this statistic is that quite clearly a number of players are still slacking off with the belief that others will do the hard yards whilst they just fiddle around the edges Jordie McMahon being a case in point - DROP HIM back to Coburg and leave him there for the rest of the season.

 

[Hypoxic]

Turnovers and poor disposal is usually a sign of LACK OF SUPPORT at the contest and unfortunately we are seeing one Tiger player in a contest against 2 or 3 opponents far too often.

The talking appears to have disappeared and players are having to make decisions AFTER they get the ball because they have no idea where there team mates are.

The old days of 2 or 3 Tigers running down the ground supporting each other are a distant memory.

Maybe when that team support comes back our disposal effective will improve and turnovers will go way down.