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7 year Plan.
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frawleyudud said:Wallace at it again trying to keep himself out of trouble. What a load of crock. In two years time it will be 2012 and so on. Looks like he underestimated the duds on our list and realises he should of gone all out youth and released the majority of them including players like Jackson, Hartigan, Moore etc.
We are in for a LOOOONG year, starting this Sunday.
Another one struggling with actually reading the articles you're criticizing.
Too many footy supporters on this site that no nothing about actually developing and making a good side!
You cant expect to have one of the worst lists in the AFL turnover over half the side in 3 years, then recruit youngsters, expect them to have an immediate impact all the while having a appointed a new coach and when we're not top 4 in 3 years crack and say your fed up????
It takes time boys I kno we havnt had success and I as well as the whole RFC want success but it aint comin in 2007 or 2008 but surely you can see its building!!!!
All you DOWNERS sit down and relax cos their is no saviour or quick fixes. Strong teams are built!!!
You cant expect to have one of the worst lists in the AFL turnover over half the side in 3 years, then recruit youngsters, expect them to have an immediate impact all the while having a appointed a new coach and when we're not top 4 in 3 years crack and say your fed up????
It takes time boys I kno we havnt had success and I as well as the whole RFC want success but it aint comin in 2007 or 2008 but surely you can see its building!!!!
All you DOWNERS sit down and relax cos their is no saviour or quick fixes. Strong teams are built!!!
Disco08 said:frawleyudud said:Wallace at it again trying to keep himself out of trouble. What a load of crock. In two years time it will be 2012 and so on. Looks like he underestimated the duds on our list and realises he should of gone all out youth and released the majority of them including players like Jackson, Hartigan, Moore etc.
We are in for a LOOOONG year, starting this Sunday.
Another one struggling with actually reading the articles you're criticizing.
No worries mate, you keep holding on to the HOPE that we are going to win a premiership in 2010 with players like Hartigan, Hyde, Moore, Tambling.
Wallace's first year was 2005, so in 2010 we should realistically be having a shot at the big one!! Fed up with this mid age bracket excuse that keeps popping up.
I pose these questions to you. Considering both clubs development phases, shouldn’t we be going into Sunday’s game outright favourites with a sense of an easy win?? Afterall, this is Wallace’s third year, the blues finished dead last, had a heap of board issues etc, have missed out on crucial draft picks etc. Are Carlton favourites merely because they won the NAB cup?? Why do all pundits have us finishing in the bottom four, yet have teams like Carlton above us?? Can you HONESTLY tell me, you are expecting a comfortable win on Sunday?? I’m sure most on here would be heading to the ground with heart in mouth. It really is not good enough.
We realistically should come out and smash the blues on Sunday going by the ratings of each teams list. It will basically be a test of the Blues youngsters against ours.
i'd be very very worried if we made the GF this year or in general played well above our division.
We've had our two false starts in 95 and 01. Played well above where we really were and the fallout is well documented.
I'd rather us take the sure and steady road this time even if it means a longer wait. Would no way want another false dawn, PLEASE NO.
My heart couldnt take it again :hihi
We've had our two false starts in 95 and 01. Played well above where we really were and the fallout is well documented.
I'd rather us take the sure and steady road this time even if it means a longer wait. Would no way want another false dawn, PLEASE NO.
My heart couldnt take it again :hihi
frawleyudud said:
Yep. That's right. I suppose you do get some unreliable form in the first five or so rounds of the season (phoney season IMO) but the prices are wrong.
Carlton is the reigning spooner and has no talent. The Blues have no rucks, two AFL class mids (one is 19yo FXS), one KPP (under an injury cloud) and the bravest of the rest are lightweight terrified flankers (some fatter than others). The balance of their contingent are total poonces, not worth four bob.
Logical spoon favourites for 2007 IMO.
An ideal benchmark really.
frawleyudud said:
Actually I was having a crack at you because you, like Bono, were saying that somehow Wallet had pushed the timetable back, when if you read the article properly he didn't do that at all.
On your questions, firstly, I really couldn't give a *smile* what the pundits think. They, as a rule, don't do anywhere near enough homework to be able to make accurate assessments and typically can't stand Richmond. Who can blame them after what we've served up over the last 25 years but that doesn't excuse rating us blindly.
Secondly, I have no idea how we'll go on Sunday. It's the first game of the season. Have we paced our pre season to ensure we get off to a flying start or to ensure we finish the season strongly? What about the same questions of Carlton? Who knows? The Swans lost a few early games last year and the year before IIRC, how did that turn out? What I do know though is that no matter the result this week I won't be joining the chorus of Chicken Little's if we lose, nor will I be calling us premiership contenders if we win by 20 goals.
Lastly, if you think the middle age bracket theory is being used as an excuse, try having a look at the structure of the Eagles, Swans, Crows and Lions premiership teams.
The problem is that i believe we need to start our recruiting fresh once again to get to that mid age bracket with quality players, because as i have said all along, i don't believe the current players that we are waiting for will be good enough. The other issue is why is it that Cartlon's youngsters are looked upon with much more promise than ours. All i ask is that we recruit a youngster in the mould of a Marc Murphy as that kid is and will become and absolute star, can easily see it, whereas with ours i just don't have that confidence. Hope i'm wrong and we come out and smash the blues and especially the doggies, but somehow i can't see it happening.
Wallace coming out and stating that we more than likely will finish 9th, considering the heartache we have endured is criminal. I mean if he is that confident that we will end up 9th - 10th why not give the young guys game time, get pick 1 and reach our goal in half the time. There is absolutely nothing to gain by finishing 9-10 anymore. Supporters would be more excited about having the no 1 pick. It' just the way the game has become.
Wallace coming out and stating that we more than likely will finish 9th, considering the heartache we have endured is criminal. I mean if he is that confident that we will end up 9th - 10th why not give the young guys game time, get pick 1 and reach our goal in half the time. There is absolutely nothing to gain by finishing 9-10 anymore. Supporters would be more excited about having the no 1 pick. It' just the way the game has become.
Im not suprised you rate the blues youngsters over ours.After your backflip regarding Eadefrawleyudud said:
not sure why, but reading this thread has soothed me a little. last year when we got thrashed by 19 goals in round 1 we all jumped on here and abused the boys. we all thought the sky was caving in. i'll be upset if we lose on sunday, but it won't be like last year
Ian4 said:
I disagree .
All tiger forums will be going bezerk, talk back shows will be running hot with fury.
This would be a nightmare.
ullhair
frawleyudud said:
Finishing last upteen times might have something to do with the quality of some of these kids.
Disco08 said:
It's logic like this that earned you 3 votes from me this month. :clap
yes its good to plan ahead but to change it from 5 years to 7 its total rubbish sorry terry injurys or not we dont make finals this year you have failed wtf is going on down there stop playing games just tell the truth worry about sunday and rest of year not 2009 or 2010
2009 or 2010
frawleyudud said:
Let me ask you the same question I've asked you once or twice before. How closely have you watched Murphy? And Griffen? Are you basing your judgment of their potential on news highlights or do you watch more Carlton and Dogs games than the average Richmond fan? I ask this because again evidence suggests that what you're saying is purely impatient ranting. Similar to the Griffen comparisons, Murphy's average rating was 10% lower last year than Deledio's was in his first year, despite the fact that Murphy is a whopping one month younger. Compare Deledio and Murphy last year (seems fair if they're basically the same age) and Deledio is a long way in front.
Which of Carlton's other young stars are you so rapt in? Gibbs? Hasn't had a chance to prove anything yet, either way. Kennedy? Done nothing at all but has time. Russell? Please. Walker? Seems to be coming good but Raines seems at least his equal for about 50 draft slots less. Bentick? Foley beats him across the board. Carrazzo and O'Hailpin? Both are 23 and nothing special. Beyond these guys they have a bunch of kids that haven't played a game.
frawleyudud said:
Wallet said:
All I'm asking is that you read the article before commenting on it.
I'd just like to back Disco up here. There has been no push back of any plan, in fact I think the term "five year plan" is a media-ism and not something ever spruiked by Terry, Greg.
Geez there are some sooks on this site. Thank god the people running our club are not the same defeatist, 'woe is me' hysteria-mongers!
When Terry was appointed the overwhelming consensus was that it would take his full five year contract just to reach finals.
It's only 2007, not 2009, and we haven't even played an *smile* game yet!
Geez there are some sooks on this site. Thank god the people running our club are not the same defeatist, 'woe is me' hysteria-mongers!
When Terry was appointed the overwhelming consensus was that it would take his full five year contract just to reach finals.
It's only 2007, not 2009, and we haven't even played an *smile* game yet!
from what wallace has said about the 7 year plan and what he has planned i think we will be very active in the next two years of drafting.
7-10 players picked up in the draft in 07 and 08 by the time we get to year 2010/11 which wallace is looking for top 4 status
*the players picked up in those 2 drafts will be 21, 22, 23.
*players such as collins, connors, edwards, peterson, reiwoldt will be in the premiership age bracket (22-26)
*the 04, 05 draft class will be in the middle of the premiership age bracket.
7-10 players picked up in the draft in 07 and 08 by the time we get to year 2010/11 which wallace is looking for top 4 status
*the players picked up in those 2 drafts will be 21, 22, 23.
*players such as collins, connors, edwards, peterson, reiwoldt will be in the premiership age bracket (22-26)
*the 04, 05 draft class will be in the middle of the premiership age bracket.
When Terry took over Richmond were bottom of the ladder. In his 1st year they finished 11th (I may be wrong there, it might have been 12th) and last year they finished 9th. Anyone want to tell me where the Blues have finished since appointing Pagan? What's his plan? 15 years? The term 5 year plan was something the media attached to TW when he was appointed, because he was given a 5 year contract. It's something they say about any coach appointed for more than 3 years ever since Barassi's 5 year plan at Melbourne failed.