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9/11
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Spike Lee has a new documentary series out NYC Epicenters 9/11-2021½, four eps, I'm watching the first one now. First one is on Covid19 in NY, but many of the people interviewed are 9/11 vets and talk about how this is impacting on their populations as well. Absolutely scathing on Governor Cuomo. The 3rd and 4th eps are on 9/11 specifically. Apparently Spike is a bit of a conspiracy theorist and had to re-edit some of the more bizarre stuff out. Definitely worth a watch if you want a black/minority view about how all this went down. It's a Spike Lee joint so he does things like caption President Barack "Brudda Man" Obama, and Trump is "President Agent Orange".
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It's on Binge/foxtel.
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Yeah. In the museum there’s a section where you can hear communications by first responders, air traffic controllers, and people inside the buildings and from the planes.
There’s one particular loop you can listen to of a guy called Sean Rooney who is trapped high up in the South Tower. He calls his wife Beverley a few times. I won’t ruin it if anybody wants to listen to the exchanges but geez. If your not moved by it you’re not human. There is also another sad twist to the exchange post of the attacks as well.
The United Airlines Flight 93 plane that crashed in Pennsylvania doesn't get enough of a mention I reckon. Passengers finding out what had happened and realising they were on one of the flights. Decide to fight back and take back the plane.
Undoubtedly saved many lives not sure they ever worked out where it was headed but the White House would be the most likely.
Undoubtedly saved many lives not sure they ever worked out where it was headed but the White House would be the most likely.
Agree, no one knows the target but it was likely something in Washington. Either the White House or the Capitol building you would assume.
An attack on the Department of Defence - tick
An attack on capitalism - tick
An attack on the US senate or president - highly likely
I thought it was Camp David.
Until you go stand in the area the towers stood you can’t comprehend how inconceivable is that TWO buildings would fall down in that area. It’s incredibly expansive but compact at the same time. I just stood there the first time I went and looked around, couldn’t really grasp what had happened where I stood.
Until you go stand in the area the towers stood you can’t comprehend how inconceivable is that TWO buildings would fall down in that area. It’s incredibly expansive but compact at the same time. I just stood there the first time I went and looked around, couldn’t really grasp what had happened where I stood.
Will never forget until the day I die the moment Sandra Sully said a plane has hit the second tower.
Chilling.
Standing in the lounge room watching it unfold, I thought it was the start of WW3.
Chilling.
Standing in the lounge room watching it unfold, I thought it was the start of WW3.
Watching Turning Point on Netflix it seems the Capitol was the target.
I was watching the West Wing and they went to news with the first tower being hit. We were speculating about how close the flight paths were to the towers, especially given the amount of traffic to a few busy airports in NYC. Also trying to work out if it was deliberate (back then you asked, how could that be?) and then the second tower got hit and you knew it was deliberate. Seeing it virtually live from the other side of the world it was just a shock.
Some years later we flew to Europe, Brussels, not long after the attack on that airport. Half the place was boarded up because of the damage and heavily armed cops/military everywhere. A mate of mine lived in Madrid when there was an attack there and would normally have been on one of the affected trains.
The world has changed because of these events but we need to understand more about why this is happening. When you look at countries like Afghanistan, Malaysia and lots of others there is more fundamentalism than there was back in the 1970s when things were getting freer, what went wrong? We need to understand the root cause of the radicalisation and the rise in terrorism and try and find out why some are radicalised and believe terrorist acts are worth committing.
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Some years later we flew to Europe, Brussels, not long after the attack on that airport. Half the place was boarded up because of the damage and heavily armed cops/military everywhere. A mate of mine lived in Madrid when there was an attack there and would normally have been on one of the affected trains.
The world has changed because of these events but we need to understand more about why this is happening. When you look at countries like Afghanistan, Malaysia and lots of others there is more fundamentalism than there was back in the 1970s when things were getting freer, what went wrong? We need to understand the root cause of the radicalisation and the rise in terrorism and try and find out why some are radicalised and believe terrorist acts are worth committing.
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In the new 9/11: Inside The Presidents War Room, they suggest the Shanksville plane was heading for a Washington target. Cheney had given the order to bring it down before the courageous passengers brought it down themselves.
The WTC area is nothing like it used to be obviously. What you see now as the Freedom Tower, various structures like the Oculus etc and all the space there, is now wildly different. The original towers plaza and footprints were quite large. Some people think the memorial pools are the same size footprints. They’re not quite.The pools are a bit smaller and obviously all the towers’ plaza infrastructure is gone, mostly consumed by the Memorial trees and such.
The WTC area is nothing like it used to be obviously. What you see now as the Freedom Tower, various structures like the Oculus etc and all the space there, is now wildly different. The original towers plaza and footprints were quite large. Some people think the memorial pools are the same size footprints. They’re not quite.The pools are a bit smaller and obviously all the towers’ plaza infrastructure is gone, mostly consumed by the Memorial trees and such.
Most spine chilling place I’ve ever been .
The second time I had the privilege of been there , I had a mate with me who had never been to New York so we were seeing as much as we could in 48 hours so I took him there for a ” quick look” 4 hours later we walked out with hardly a word spoke .
Reading one of the many chiiling stories in there was about a fire fighting team that people passed running out as they were running in knowing they would most likely die , but that’s what they were fire fighters and they had a job to do, *smile* it still gives me chills . So many incredible stories of courage ,and sacrifice .
Not sure if there’s an online way of viewing it , however if there is and you haven’t been there , it’s a must
A thing a lot of people don’t recognise is the toll post 9/11 as well.
There are some 111,000 people registered for assistance with the WTC Health Program for health related issues resulting from the towers’ collapse. Injuries, toxic dust inhalation etc. I think there’s 3000 or so directly attributable deaths to the toxic dust and tens and tens of thousands of cases of illness that appear related. Some $12 billion in aid and assistance has been spent helping these people v $4 billion spent on direct victims and their families - if that puts things into perspective. The support program covers an area from the tip of Manhattan up to Houston Street as it dissects lower Manhattan from the Hudson River (west) to the East River and then part of Brooklyn across the other side of the East River. Anyone in that area at the time can register for medical and financial support. That’s a huge populous.
A few years ago I had dinner at Delmonico’s in the Financial District. Went to their sensational bar downstairs after. Met a senior exec from AIG. Dunno how we got around to talking about it but he told me about one of his best friends dying recently from toxic inhalation from 9/11. He broke down crying as he explained the day, what happened to his friend etc.
Just a shocking day and act with outcomes that will be forever felt and the true quantum and reach of impact, not completely understood.
There are some 111,000 people registered for assistance with the WTC Health Program for health related issues resulting from the towers’ collapse. Injuries, toxic dust inhalation etc. I think there’s 3000 or so directly attributable deaths to the toxic dust and tens and tens of thousands of cases of illness that appear related. Some $12 billion in aid and assistance has been spent helping these people v $4 billion spent on direct victims and their families - if that puts things into perspective. The support program covers an area from the tip of Manhattan up to Houston Street as it dissects lower Manhattan from the Hudson River (west) to the East River and then part of Brooklyn across the other side of the East River. Anyone in that area at the time can register for medical and financial support. That’s a huge populous.
A few years ago I had dinner at Delmonico’s in the Financial District. Went to their sensational bar downstairs after. Met a senior exec from AIG. Dunno how we got around to talking about it but he told me about one of his best friends dying recently from toxic inhalation from 9/11. He broke down crying as he explained the day, what happened to his friend etc.
Just a shocking day and act with outcomes that will be forever felt and the true quantum and reach of impact, not completely understood.
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Was there for the 10 year anniversary, 10years ago. The most strange and eerie public event I've ever been to. Really crowded for blocks around, but no noise. Nobody speaking. You could speak if you wanted to, and a few were, I got talking to the police chief, who had a full police livery corvette, but nobody felt like it. The strangest thing was a different groups there, in matching costumes or grouped together with banners. Conspiracy theorists, amish peace choir, British Jewish anti-muslim nazis (I kid you not, I have photos), crazy bearded religeous freak on roller blades with stars and stripes, normal people mourning loved ones, and many more. No fighting or animosity between any of the groups, I asked the chief about it, why not? 'Its the constitution pal". Never forget it.
Wow. Hard to believe that in about 30 minutes it'll be 24 years to the moment that the first plane flew into the North Tower. Gee time flies. Still remember that day like it was yesterday.....
And eerily, right now, it's the same sort of morning. Brilliant sunshine. Clear skies. Calm Hudson River and Upper Bay.
What a tragic juncture in history.
And eerily, right now, it's the same sort of morning. Brilliant sunshine. Clear skies. Calm Hudson River and Upper Bay.
What a tragic juncture in history.
Was watching 1 of the numerous docos on 9/11 earlier. I'd seen this guy before but it chokes me up every time. There was a guy called Ron (not sure of his surname), he was Irish and was in the North Tower. He helped a woman he worked with who I think had a broken leg / ankle (I can't remember the whole story) and they came out of the North Tower to find an ambulance at almost the same time as the 2nd plane hit the South Tower. He was praying with the lady at the time.
Shortly after he phoned his sister to tell her he was safe, his brother in law answered and he asked for her, to which his brother in law said, she had been flying to California, and it turned out she was on flight 175 which was the plane that hit the south tower. You see the guys face as he recites his realisation that he was praying for the safety of the lady he helped out of the North Tower as his sister and his niece were flying to their death into the South Tower.
Shortly after he phoned his sister to tell her he was safe, his brother in law answered and he asked for her, to which his brother in law said, she had been flying to California, and it turned out she was on flight 175 which was the plane that hit the south tower. You see the guys face as he recites his realisation that he was praying for the safety of the lady he helped out of the North Tower as his sister and his niece were flying to their death into the South Tower.
Yeah. I've seen that before too. Some gut wrenching stories.
Two that stick in my mind are phone calls between a guy trapped in one of the towers and his wife. Heartbreaking. Made worse by the fact that 12 months later his wife dies in a plane crash herself. Had to get out of the 9/11 Memorial Museum after hearing them. Started to get a bit much. The other, a Chief or something in the NYFD sees his Ladder Captain brother go up into one of the towers for a second time knowing there was a limited amount of time before the tower came down. They say goodbye to each other, the Chief knowing he probably wasn't going to see his brother again. And he doesn't.
The scale of it all was just enormous. So many stories. So much bravery. So much carnage. Couple of years ago a guy who was in WTC 7 (which also collapsed) told me about the images of jumpers from the towers and their bodies landing in front of him being etched into his brain forever. It was horrific.
I've been to NYC more times than I've had Sunday dinners. Like many, watched a lot of documentaries. There's hundreds of places, street corners, buildings etc I go past in the downtown area and a 9/11 photo or scene or whatever often comes to mind. Makes you stop and think for a second or two sometimes.
Just the sound on the documentaries of the bodies hitting the ground was horrific, they were showing the underground areas, or lobby areas whilst the fire crews were being briefed and every now and then you heard this big thud, and then everyone stopped, knowing what was going on, everyone looked distressed and as the professinals they are, they composed themselves and then got back on with the task themselves.
I remember reading another story about 1 of the fire crews I think in the North Tower, the South tower I believe had already come down, and there was a disabled lady in one of the stairwells who couldn't move (I think she was disabled, I watched this a number of years ago), the fire chief orders his crew to evacuate and he decided to stay with the lady to give her comfort expecting these to be her (and his) last moments. The Tower then came down around them, they were in the 1 stairwell that remained standing, his crew were killed in the lobby as the table crashed down on top of them. He thought he was dong something heroic, and all he feels afterwards is guilt that he sent his crew to their deaths even though he thought the opposite at the time.
Harrowing and horrifying stories all around.
I was talking to my 15 year old about it, and as with most people I could recount what happened as if it happened yesterday, the feeling of watching it in real time, the feeling of helplessness and watching a tragedy unfold in front of you, with this deep felt feeling in your stomach that the world was changing right in front of your eyes. I think its 1 of those things that our generation will never ever forget.
for many reasons...
beyond accelerating the marginalisation and misinterpretation of Islam and Arab nations
it inflamed war, hate, death, conspiracy theories, 'terrorism', spending, etc etc etc
and it hasn't stopped
Also enabled the Mericans to wage war on Iraq.
My sympathy for the Yanks re Nine Eleven isn't where it once was.
Especially with the current human atrocities happening in Gaza right now under their watch.
Maybe a few of the current Palestinian stories should be given the same credence as those that died on September 11..
My sympathy for the Yanks re Nine Eleven isn't where it once was.
Especially with the current human atrocities happening in Gaza right now under their watch.
Maybe a few of the current Palestinian stories should be given the same credence as those that died on September 11..
The pain the conspiracy theorists, troofers, caused the victims families is unforgivable. Too excited about the thought of planes with no windows to stop and think about the ongoing pain they kept heaping on the families. *smile*.
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