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A blown opportunity

TOT70 said:
I have been concerned since the second half of last season that Wallace has gone into the inevitable "self-preservation" mode.

I'm being a little unfair on you here TOT70, cause I thoroughly believe 99% of everything you have said up until this stage. I thought Wallace was the opposite in the 2nd half of last year.
 
TOT, my take on the weekend was that he desperately wanted to win that match - that is why such a strong team was played. He and the club failed dismally. To me it doesn't bode well for his future at tigerland.
 
TOT70 said:
Actually, I'm not potting Wallace. He's in a no-win position. He has done much of the hard work to rebuild the club and now he has to wait for the younger bodies to mature. The most likely outcome is that everyone will run out of patience and show him the door just before it happens. A new coach will then come in and get the benefit of Wallace's work.

I have been concerned since the second half of last season that Wallace has gone into the inevitable "self-preservation" mode.

What is he? Is he a coach who is rebuilding a team? Is he as coach who is trying to contend for higher honours? As hard as it has been for him to come to grips wit this, he can't be both.

He needs to tell us what he is and everyone at the club needs to get on the same page. Otherwise, another generation of young Tigers will be lost.

Just in case he hasn't figured it out yet, it is plain to all and sundry that he is a coach who is rebuilding a team. He should get on with this job. He had a golden opportunity on the weekend to take a step forward.

But it was plain to all and sundry that he should of been rebuilding since coming aboard. His modus operandi hasnt changed...he will allways play the senior players in preference to the kids because he wants wins more than anything.

I think he's a good coach but his philosophy is flawed and this is just another indicator.
 
Djevv said:
TOT, my take on the weekend was that he desperately wanted to win that match - that is why such a strong team was played. He and the club failed dismally. To me it doesn't bode well for his future at tigerland.
Geez if that's what's considered a strong team we're in for some serious shellackings this year :-[
 
eveybody knows, the way to beat the tigers is force their fwds wide and apply pressure
nothings changed in 5 years?
 
CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:
Perhaps he wanted to give some of those senior players a chance of some kind of success albiet a NAB cup before the axe falls on them.

Has merit!

Wallace is on his way in being one of the biggest coaching flops in our history, next to the other flops.
 
CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:
Perhaps he wanted to give some of those senior players a chance of some kind of success albiet a NAB cup before the axe falls on them.The loss might actually be a blessing in disguise.It now gives Terry 3 practice matches to see if any of the kids are ready to stepup.

geoffryprettyboy said:
Has merit!

Let's hope there is a Master Plan that does in fact include this as a component.

geoffryprettyboy said:
Wallace is on his way in being one of the biggest coaching flops in our history, next to the other flops.

That's got to be one of the funniest ways of assessing our Coaching history. Can't wish it away though ...... have already tried that.
 
Skills said:
I'm being a little unfair on you here TOT70, cause I thoroughly believe 99% of everything you have said up until this stage. I thought Wallace was the opposite in the 2nd half of last year.

I'm referring to end of season decisions like recruiting McMahon but you are right. He turfed Kingsley as soon as the year was shot and gave some youngsters a few games. Maybe all is not lost.
 
The problem is waiting till the year is shot to give these kids a go. I don't believe that youngsters are better left in the ressies to gain a winning culture. I feel that they should be given game time in the seniors and mature that way. Some will fail miserably ala JON, but others will take huge steps ala Pattison. If half of your youngsters show improvement, then half the battle is won. What is the point of leaving them in the twos for 2-3 years, adapting to a slower, semi professional environment, where there is nowhere near the pressure applied on the ball, then thrust into the 1sts, being shellshocked and failing. See which players are up to it i say. Look at Connors and Edwards. Both lightly framed, but you could tell with the limited time they got they can handle the pressure. Whereas players like JON and White can't. From there you make your decision to move them on and try someone else, rather then keeping them in the system for 4-5 years and realising that they are never going to be good enough. That has been the story of the RFC. Unfortunately we are not blessed at the moment with players like the Cornes or Geelongs list, who can afford to slowly bring in youngsters every so often. We need a complete overhaul. Sink or swim approach i believe.
 
Gold Post TOT70. :cupgold

gREAT to hear someone from here who talks sense. You are spot on Wallet just went down the same road and played the same old's again, for exactly the same results.

Great post, it was refreshing NOT to hear

OHHH it's only the NAB Cup :cutelaugh

OHHH you are TOO harsh. :cutelaugh

OHHH you are a dark sider :cutelaugh
 
Tango said:
eveybody knows, the way to beat the tigers is force their fwds wide and apply pressure
nothings changed in 5 years?

You are exactly right. It is well known within AFL circles that the way to beat Richmond is to apply pressure. This was particularly evident in the thought processes of the umpires on Friday night.

Caught with the ball. Free kick. Caught with it again. Free kick. Goal St Kilda. There go those Tigers, crumbling under pressure again.

Slick handpass St Klida. Play on. Slick handpass St Klida. Play on. Slick handpass St Klida. Play on. Slick handpass Richmond. Throw. Free kick. Another goal. Nope, can't handle pressure.

Oh bugger. Crappy centre bounce went skew if, now there's an ugly pack. If I call another ball up I'll get my bum kicked after the game so I better pluck a free. Now, let's see, Richmond can't handle the pressure, so nothing for them. There's Robert Harvey, he's a champ, I'll give him another kick.

Was that a Richmond player I saw getting his head pulled off? No, he just couldn't handle the pressure. Play on. There's another one, knees buckled under the pressure and he ducked his head. Play on. Shut up, crowd, its not my fault your team can't handle pressure.

OK, free to Kane Johnson, up on the wing. Bring the ball back! Get it out of the crowd and bring it back to the wing! What's that, Johnno? No advantage, I don't care if you kicked a goal, I never called advantage. Take your free up on the wing. I never called advantage. If you were any good under pressure you would still pinpoint all those passes and get your goal anyway. It's your free.

Wow, nice mark by that young Richmond forward in the goal-square. Surprising, I thought they always buckled under the pressure. Sorry mate, hands in the back, no mark, hands in the back!

Oh, my Lord, what are those three defenders doing to Richo? They've tied him to the goal post and are trying to burn him at the stake! Stop sooking, Richo, or I'll pay a fifty!
 
TOT70 said:
You are exactly right. It is well known within AFL circles that the way to beat Richmond is to apply pressure. This was particularly evident in the thought processes of the umpires on Friday night.

Caught with the ball. Free kick. Caught with it again. Free kick. Goal St Kilda. There go those Tigers, crumbling under pressure again.

Slick handpass St Klida. Play on. Slick handpass St Klida. Play on. Slick handpass St Klida. Play on. Slick handpass Richmond. Throw. Free kick. Another goal. Nope, can't handle pressure.

Oh bugger. Crappy centre bounce went skew if, now there's an ugly pack. If I call another ball up I'll get my bum kicked after the game so I better pluck a free. Now, let's see, Richmond can't handle the pressure, so nothing for them. There's Robert Harvey, he's a champ, I'll give him another kick.

Was that a Richmond player I saw getting his head pulled off? No, he just couldn't handle the pressure. Play on. There's another one, knees buckled under the pressure and he ducked his head. Play on. Shut up, crowd, its not my fault your team can't handle pressure.

OK, free to Kane Johnson, up on the wing. Bring the ball back! Get it out of the crowd and bring it back to the wing! What's that, Johnno? No advantage, I don't care if you kicked a goal, I never called advantage. Take your free up on the wing. I never called advantage. If you were any good under pressure you would still pinpoint all those passes and get your goal anyway. It's your free.

Wow, nice mark by that young Richmond forward in the goal-square. Surprising, I thought they always buckled under the pressure. Sorry mate, hands in the back, no mark, hands in the back!

Oh, my Lord, what are those three defenders doing to Richo? They've tied him to the goal post and are trying to burn him at the stake! Stop sooking, Richo, or I'll pay a fifty!

This is brilliant TOT70 !
 
TOT70 said:
You are exactly right. It is well known within AFL circles that the way to beat Richmond is to apply pressure. This was particularly evident in the thought processes of the umpires on Friday night.

Caught with the ball. Free kick. Caught with it again. Free kick. Goal St Kilda. There go those Tigers, crumbling under pressure again.

Slick handpass St Klida. Play on. Slick handpass St Klida. Play on. Slick handpass St Klida. Play on. Slick handpass Richmond. Throw. Free kick. Another goal. Nope, can't handle pressure.

Oh bugger. Crappy centre bounce went skew if, now there's an ugly pack. If I call another ball up I'll get my bum kicked after the game so I better pluck a free. Now, let's see, Richmond can't handle the pressure, so nothing for them. There's Robert Harvey, he's a champ, I'll give him another kick.

Was that a Richmond player I saw getting his head pulled off? No, he just couldn't handle the pressure. Play on. There's another one, knees buckled under the pressure and he ducked his head. Play on. Shut up, crowd, its not my fault your team can't handle pressure.

OK, free to Kane Johnson, up on the wing. Bring the ball back! Get it out of the crowd and bring it back to the wing! What's that, Johnno? No advantage, I don't care if you kicked a goal, I never called advantage. Take your free up on the wing. I never called advantage. If you were any good under pressure you would still pinpoint all those passes and get your goal anyway. It's your free.

Wow, nice mark by that young Richmond forward in the goal-square. Surprising, I thought they always buckled under the pressure. Sorry mate, hands in the back, no mark, hands in the back!

Oh, my Lord, what are those three defenders doing to Richo? They've tied him to the goal post and are trying to burn him at the stake! Stop sooking, Richo, or I'll pay a fifty!

Gold post. I wonder if the "pulse' has the goolies to run this in his column.
 
now tot your not suggesting we lost because of umpiring decisions...... ha ha ha :rofl

and tying Richo to the posts, didnt know there were posts on the boundary line :hihi
 
Tango said:
now tot your not suggesting we lost because of umpiring decisions...... ha ha ha :rofl

and tying Richo to the posts, didnt know there were posts on the boundary line :hihi

I would never suggest such a thing. I am nothing if not fair-minded.

As for the Richo thing, I've seen that happen at least three times now.
 
I think i said in another post somewhere that I choose to believe that wallace deliberately fielded the same old same old last week in order to lull the oppostion into a false sense of security prior to round one. We'll run out against the blues with our gun side, brimming with young, raw talent. There'll be a completely new structure and a new game plan that will flummox the opposition.

Surely there can be no other possible explanation for the side he chose on Friday.

I'm going to stick with this theory because if i don't, what hope do we have?

On another point, how long were Geelong down the bottom before their current crop matured? Forget 2006, but I vaguely recall listening to a game in 2002 (?) where we beat their very young side. They made a prelim in 05.... but i don't remember much about the cats in 03 and 04.

i'm just trying to compare our current debarcle state to the time it took them to develop a bunch of kids into a premiership side.
 
the best way to bed in a new style, gam,e plan and structure is match practice
the NAB is an ideall opportunity to do this
i dont think there is any lulling going on

TW is trying to have a bit each way, pinch a few wins whilst trying to blood kids - message Terry

it aint working because the strength of the old guard culture smothers the kids