A couple of North examples

[itsintheblood]

Richmond would be better with Ottens and being more sucessful would set a higher standard for new young players to achieve before they could get into the team

This is completely incorrect. Apart from one season, Ottens was an abject failure at RFC. Never have I seen a player carry such a huge reputation on potential alone; and he's still doing it at Geelong. The guy just does not perform. He is the epitome of the classic football phrase "built like Tarzan, plays like Jane". All he would have done with our younger players was infect them with his mediocrity and softness.

Trading him was one of the very few good trade decisions this club has made in the past 25 years. We did well to get 2 first rounders for him. How they turn out is another story. I'm hopeful on Meyer, very doubtful on Pattison. But the method was correct anyway.

As for North, one of my best mates supports them. After they beat Port in round 1 he said to me that they have a key defender even worse than Gaspar (now that's saying something); Jonathon Hay. And he can't believe they recruited Jade Rawlings.

I didn't see or hear any of today's game but did hear Robert Walls after the game describe Hay as "woeful".

Ridley, I was sitting behind the goals today and kept a close eye on hay. He has a gut bigger than Amanda Vandstone and has absolutely no idea what the hell he's doing. How this guy made all australian just staggers me. What the hell did laidley think in giving up good picks for this guy? They gave away picks 13, 18, 29 last year and will pay big time. They are a bottom 4 side. We have a few promising young kids. I cant say the same for them.

 

[itsintheblood]

I've said a couple of times my post wasn't in any way suggesting we emulate North's list management.  The examples I used could have been from any club, but just occurred to me when I was watching the game today.

2-It hasn't hurt Daniel Harris to serve a lengthy apprenticeship in the reserves before slotting into the senior team but some people on here jump up and down and demand selection after one half decent Coburg game.

In Harris' debut season (2000 or 2001) he played in the seniors from the very start and won rave reviews early on. He dropped away after that and did spend a lot of time in the magoos. Now he seems to have come good.

The difference between North of that time and us of now is that they were still regularly playing finals and had quite a bit of depth and competition for positions. RFC senior players have proven themselves as perennial failures. What is gonna change to all of a sudden make them successful? We are justing wasting time with them. I say play the kids and see what we've got. I can't stand seeing the same old losers run around every year with the same losing results.

I agree. We value some of our senior players far too much and look what we've achieved. Tiddley squat. Until Wallace makes some really hard decisions with some of these guys were will remain uncompetitive for a long while yet.
I've been really harsh on some of our boys over recent weeks but the fact remains some of our senior players just dont cut it in the big league any more. Eg? Kellaway, gaspar, tivendale, Im worried about coghlan, johnson.

 

[geoffryprettyboy]

Rosy, I was at the collingwood game today (under duress I might add) and let me tell you something. Jonathan Hay and to some extent Nathan Thompson are an absolute disaster for nth melbourne. Especially Hay. He is just shocking. Unfit, lazy, led to the ball by his opponent on every occasion, cant kick more than 30 mts and gets caught more than any other player I know. He is a total waste of space and the hawks did the best thing in offloading them. What it does, and this was highlighted by robert walls on the radio after the game, is take the place of a promising youngster who can be coached and developed.

I ALMOST FORGOT JADE RAWLINGS. My god, what were they thinking. Nth have avoided doing this but have become a dumping ground for hawk rejects and they will pay for it BIG TIME. Nth were deplorable today and I could honestly say I couldnt find one player on that field who I thought was a superstar in the making. Daniel Wells did some nice things but goes missing.

We must avoid recycled players at all cost. We did this with frawley and look where it got us. Good players are rarely let go these days. Let's develop our own stars for a change and reap the rewards.

I've said a couple of times my post wasn't in any way suggesting we emulate North's list management.  The examples I used could have been from any club, but just occurred to me when I was watching the game today.

Can anyone deny the two examples I used?  

1-Sav has been more than servicable, of course that isn't the case all of the time, but it's an example of why i think we need to remain open minded and judge each case on it's merits?

2-It hasn't hurt Daniel Harris to serve a lengthy apprenticeship in the reserves before slotting into the senior team but some people on here jump up and down and demand selection after one half decent Coburg game.

Recycled players are fraught with danger rosy as we at punt road have well and truely found out. Spud "topped up" with hudson, marsh, fleming, nichols, fletcher and it stuffed our list well and truely. Our older players are slowing down and our kids are just too young. Our "mid bracket" is almost non existent. These decisions have butchered us. No more.

Just a few more to refresh some memories;

Robert Powell
Wayne Thornborrow
Trent Nicholls
Aaron James
John Rombotis
Ashley Blurton
Craig Biddiscombe
Rory Hilton
Clinton King
Steven Sziller
Paul Hudson
Justin Blumfield

 

[itsintheblood]

Rosy, I was at the collingwood game today (under duress I might add) and let me tell you something. Jonathan Hay and to some extent Nathan Thompson are an absolute disaster for nth melbourne. Especially Hay. He is just shocking. Unfit, lazy, led to the ball by his opponent on every occasion, cant kick more than 30 mts and gets caught more than any other player I know. He is a total waste of space and the hawks did the best thing in offloading them. What it does, and this was highlighted by robert walls on the radio after the game, is take the place of a promising youngster who can be coached and developed.

I ALMOST FORGOT JADE RAWLINGS. My god, what were they thinking. Nth have avoided doing this but have become a dumping ground for hawk rejects and they will pay for it BIG TIME. Nth were deplorable today and I could honestly say I couldnt find one player on that field who I thought was a superstar in the making. Daniel Wells did some nice things but goes missing.

We must avoid recycled players at all cost. We did this with frawley and look where it got us. Good players are rarely let go these days. Let's develop our own stars for a change and reap the rewards.

I've said a couple of times my post wasn't in any way suggesting we emulate North's list management.  The examples I used could have been from any club, but just occurred to me when I was watching the game today.

Can anyone deny the two examples I used?  

1-Sav has been more than servicable, of course that isn't the case all of the time, but it's an example of why i think we need to remain open minded and judge each case on it's merits?

2-It hasn't hurt Daniel Harris to serve a lengthy apprenticeship in the reserves before slotting into the senior team but some people on here jump up and down and demand selection after one half decent Coburg game.

Recycled players are fraught with danger rosy as we at punt road have well and truely found out. Spud "topped up" with hudson, marsh, fleming, nichols, fletcher and it stuffed our list well and truely. Our older players are slowing down and our kids are just too young. Our "mid bracket" is almost non existent. These decisions have butchered us. No more.

Just a few more to refresh some memories;

Robert Powell
Wayne Thornborrow
Trent Nicholls
Aaron James
John Rombotis
Ashley Blurton
Craig Biddiscombe
Rory Hilton
Clinton King
Steven Sziller
Paul Hudson
Justin Blumfield

Craig Ednie?

Stop it GPB. You're making me vomit by recycling these names. Bloody hell.

 

[FightingFury]

Adam Pickering from Carlscum was another stroke of recruiting wizardry.

Now.....everyone lay off Jonathon Hay.
Yes yes yes,he can't kick or even play for that matter,
but his girl is immaculate. 8)

 

[DragicevicFan]

I've said a couple of times my post wasn't in any way suggesting we emulate North's list management.  The examples I used could have been from any club, but just occurred to me when I was watching the game today.

2-It hasn't hurt Daniel Harris to serve a lengthy apprenticeship in the reserves before slotting into the senior team but some people on here jump up and down and demand selection after one half decent Coburg game.

In Harris' debut season (2000 or 2001) he played in the seniors from the very start and won rave reviews early on. He dropped away after that and did spend a lot of time in the magoos. Now he seems to have come good.

The difference between North of that time and us of now is that they were still regularly playing finals and had quite a bit of depth and competition for positions. RFC senior players have proven themselves as perennial failures. What is gonna change to all of a sudden make them successful? We are justing wasting time with them. I say play the kids and see what we've got. I can't stand seeing the same old losers run around every year with the same losing results.

Gee its good to have you back Mr Ridley. :clap

 

[itsintheblood]

Adam Pickering from Carlscum was another stroke of recruiting wizardry.

Now.....everyone lay off Jonathon Hay.
Yes yes yes,he can't kick or even play for that matter,
but his girl is immaculate. 8)

She could play better than he does.

 

[Scoop]

has the brown deal helped us long term? no it cost us picks 6 and 20 where will browny be if we ever manage to overcome our ineptitude.
retired or well pst his best.
Has johnson helped us long term a big no its cost us a handy player in torney pick 2  to for pick 12 and a slipping down the order on 2 other picks.
has the blumfield deal helped us do i need to ask the question. one could make a case and say they have hardley helped us in the short term even.
i keep on telling people and i just wonder how long it will take for ferals to get it thru their thick skulls the successful sides treat early draft picks like gold. they rarely if ever trade early picks for players and when they do they trade for early picks thru another deal. an example of this is stkilda with koschitske and riedwoldt picks 1 and 2.  in the same draft they obtained hammil with pick 4 at the age of 23 and gehrig with pick 18 at the age of 24 both were young enough to be around for aby future success. in  they havent been scared to trade players for picks lockett hall the wakelins are a few that spring to mind.
im not against obtaining players from other clubs but i have 2 criteria we dont give up our early picks for players and we draft recycled players who arent to old.

how many on here would argue the ottens deal was bad for us. i would hazard a guess and say not one person. has this deal been good for us long term i would say yes although it may be to early to form an opinion on some of the kids. but fail or succeed this is the way to go .
imo we have 2 players who have real currency trading either one of them for early picks can only be good for us. just like the ottens deal was good for us. and just like the hall lockett and wakelins deals was  good for stkilda or the hay thompson rawlings deals were good for hawthorn. those two with currency are bowden and richo forget about sentimentality lets just get the deal done.

Spot on Claw. Keep our picks plus stockpile others and hope you have the right people picking the kids for you and just wait. It takes time for kids to grow into men. Deals like the Patrick Bowden one for late picks are OK when they fill massive gaps in your side (our lack of a CHF coming through made this deal a acceptable risk) but we must be looking to gather extra picks in the first 40 every year.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Adam Pickering from Carlscum was another stroke of recruiting wizardry.

Now.....everyone lay off Jonathon Hay.
Yes yes yes,he can't kick or even play for that matter,
but his girl is immaculate. 8)

She could play better than he does.

Over at the Searching Kangaroo forum they're saying they expect Laidley to go after Jon Barker next season.

LMAO :rofl

 

[the claw]

Adam Pickering from Carlscum was another stroke of recruiting wizardry.

Now.....everyone lay off Jonathon Hay.
Yes yes yes,he can't kick or even play for that matter,
but his girl is immaculate. 8)

She could play better than he does.

Over at the Searching Kangaroo forum they're saying they expect Laidley to go after Jon Barker next season.

LMAO :rofl

those in glass houses shouldnt throw stones ToO.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Over at the Searching Kangaroo forum they're saying they expect Laidley to go after Jon Barker next season.

LMAO :rofl

those in glass houses shouldnt throw stones ToO.

Boooooooo ;D

 

[the claw]

Over at the Searching Kangaroo forum they're saying they expect Laidley to go after Jon Barker next season.

LMAO :rofl

those in glass houses shouldnt throw stones ToO.

Boooooooo ;D

LOL :rofl

 

[Rayzorwire]

They did a Hay 'highlights' package on 'On The Couch' and really got stuck into him...geez...it's looking very much like one young coach's career will be made by cleaning out the senior dead wood (Clarkson), while another's career will quite probably be in ruins due to paying big dollars for dead wood (Laidley).

I agree Sav was a good pick up for the Roos Rosy...don't know what they're paying him but he's given pretty good service, despite quite a few games in the reserves.

What a difference a fortnight makes...after rd.1 most pundits had North pencilled in for their usual 6-10 finish...now I'd imagine most have their eraser out and are swapping their place for (ironically) the Hawks. Long way to go yet though...