a goood effort is not good enough

[goose]

IF you read my original post youwill see that one of the things that disapointed me most was the fact that we don't show this sort of effort often enough. As I said, an effort like yesterday beats Carlton last week, itis easy to get up for games against the competition big boys, good sides, or sides on the improve, or sides with potential have to beat the teams they are more advanced than.

I understand we were undersized and acknowledge there were some terrific efforts, but this is the AFL, theya re highly paid professioanls, it is not D4Ammos - even TW said it - a massive opportunity lost.

 

[Nik]

This post you placed proves that you are either stupid or need to go back to school. Have another read.

Mate, if you honestly believe that the same thoughts as yours have not been encountered by the entire administration of the Richmond Football Club in these past 25 years then I suggest you try and comprehend that these things don't always work out. The club made a few bad decisions in the past, the poor outcomes of which couldn't be predicted and on many accounts an attempt has been made to reverse them. The TW administration is just another effort to do just that, reverse the losing culture that has been developed over these 25 unsuccessful years. Yes, we've had a bad patch, but our time will come.

 

[blx]

i liken the H&A season to a 2200m horse race of which only 200m have been run. Would you write any horse of at the 200m mark?

Well maybe dont answer that one :hihi

 

[CarnTheTiges]

I'm gonna get sick of saying this, I know. It was a good effort and pretty much every player out there gave everything, however when you are up against a side was well drilled and professional as Sydney that is not enough. One of the commentators said that Richmond lacked an intangible. I don't believe this to be the case. What is losing games for Richmond are very tangible: poor skills by foot and bad decision making. The return of Simmonds and Brown will help, as will the injection of some of the younger, quicker, more skilled players when they're ready, but until the skills and decision making improve markedly right across the board the Tigers will continue to lose games like yesterday and will not be given the respect that they crave.

 

[Boris Yeltsin]

I'm gonna get sick of saying this, I know. It was a good effort and pretty much every player out there gave everything, however when you are up against a side was well drilled and professional as Sydney that is not enough. One of the commentators said that Richmond lacked an intangible. I don't believe this to be the case. What is losing games for Richmond are very tangible: poor skills by foot and bad decision making. The return of Simmonds and Brown will help, as will the injection of some of the younger, quicker, more skilled players when they're ready, but until the skills and decision making improve markedly right across the board the Tigers will continue to lose games like yesterday and will not be given the respect that they crave.

I agree with all of this, but might I add, the team as a whole lose concentration too easily, too often and seem to play aimlessly at stages during matches. I just don't know whether it's reflective of the youth and inexperience of the team, or reflective of our senior players and lacklustre gameplan. I just hope the improvement continues.

 

[AstuteTiger]

I for one thought the performance was admirable we ran hard and carried at every opportunity, spider said on the radio that the tigers move the ball very quick and we were not wanting them to have space to create, yes we didn't get the bikkies but i look at the positives and also the negatives we do still make some blunders like patto kicking in to no mans land on the wing which resulted in a goal.

Lids for me was the guy who decided to take the game to them and it was a treat seeing him take em on and kick some rip snorting passes to our fwd's.

The umpires for me were disgraceful, it’s not how many frees u get but where u get them and 2 goals were gifted to the swans.

In the last quarter i just think we lacked polish, on 2 occasions petts on the wing where i was sitting just went fwd and kicked with no real purpose it was like his legs were full of lead and when Hyde’s great run down the same wing handballing off to Gas, Gas should've kicked deep in to the FWD line but handballed to the opposition instead its these little things that we have to eradicate, it will come we have a young list and ill tell you forget about this 2011 stuff we are closer than that.

No Simmo, Cogs, Browny and thursty we played a good brand of footy and we will only get better with the inclusion of some of these guys and the maturing of our younger players.

Some supporters have to look where we have come from 2004 wooden spooners to improving steadily under TW, i can honestly see the structure taking place, in frawleys 5 year tenure i never new our game plan.

 

[tigersforever06]

Goose wrong! We are a bottom half team who was BADLY undersized yeaterday. I was a the Dump 12 months ago-when an undermanned RFC got belted by 120 points by the then reighning premiers. Yesterday I watched with pride the efforts of Polak and Pattison-who clearly inexperiencedand undersized took on the arguably the best ruck duo going around-I thought their efforts were fantastic. So undersized-that in the last quarter for a time Andrew Raines-stood next to Darren Jolly. The efforts yesterday from young blokes like Polo(who ran with Goodes all day) Foley, McQuane-were great and Brett Delidio announced himself yesterday with his best game-and the flashes of brilliance left no one in doubt that he has that class which lifts him above others. No goose -I went home smiling and with a warm fuzzy feeling about the years ahead-that performance was good enough for me!

Ask yourself why are we undersized. And dont say injury because all we have is Ray Hall to return in defence and hes not much chop. I will give u SImmonds in ruck though

 

[Tigerfan]

zip and two: same as last year. But a lot more competitive

Normally we win a game in the first fornight

Apart from the last two years you have to look back to '92 for the last time we went nil-2.

 

[Freezer]

...but until the skills and decision making improve markedly right across the board the Tigers will continue to lose games like yesterday and will not be given the respect that they crave.

Good point CTT. It appears to me the players have been so over coached with this "run and carry" mentality, they've lost the ability to make appropriate decisions about their disposals. A handball for handballs sake doesn't do anyone any favours and against Carlton, this killed us. Selling teammates into trouble has no consequences as long as the disposal was "slick".

And if we're able to "lift" against teams like the Eagles, Swans etc, what the hell are we doing the rest of the time - not going flat out...??? Roy Keane (ex ManU, now Sunderland mgr) thought it was hilarious oppostion teams used to "lift themselves up" when they played ManU - that's why they never won anything he said - they weren't giving everything, every week, no matter who they played.

 

[chislop]

I don't expect to win every week as you say Macca but I do expect to make a finals appearance every now and then and not what this club has provided since 1982. We should not be made to accept this limited amount of success and state that the best game since 1982 preliminary final when Cloke went wild is a draw against Essendon when Maxfield got his jaw broken in the mid 90's or a win in that same year in the finals against you know who, Essendon. Surely we can expect more success than that.

Then Gonzo, perhaps you should just barrack for whoever won the GF the year before, or direct your energies to soccer or rugby. Your bitterness about the RFC's performance (along with many others on this site) sure goes back a long way.

Exactly. There you have it. An acceptance of mediocrity. Unfortunately for me I don't change teams Donkey, oh I mean Go Toigs. I do follow other sports aswell, including soccer, but it still dosen't take away the fact that you are now the kind of supporter we have developed into. I'm sure players and the like at the club feels the same as you.

This post you placed proves that you are either stupid or need to go back to school. Have another read.

Dearest Gonzo, take a deep breath. Firstly, who is Donkey? I've only ever posted on one site (this one) under one pseudonym (now's there's a big word for the dumb person you allege I am eh?) and that's Go Toigs. And may I suggest that if you feel the need to stoop to personal insults about one's intellectual capacity than perhaps your argument is shot? And further, with strong family ties to the Tiges that goes back to the early 1920s, I have never felt either the need or inclination to be a supporter and member of any team other than the Tiges. My black and gold blood is thicker than water!

Yes, we have weathered the good, the bad and the indifferent as supporters but its the ability to stick through thick and thin that shows who true supporters really are. Hence my remark directed at you about supporting whoever won the GF the year before if you crave instant success but dont mind being seen as shallow and inconsistent.

And finally, I have a doctorate so I guess I've done my time at school. Seeing as your response to my post had about as much thrust as a toothpick in a sword fight, I suspect you might be the one in need of a little extra curricula education?

 

[skybeau]

Well, I like seeing this "limited amount of success" because I've never seen Richmond be anything more than mediocre...so you'll forgive me if I'm a little on the positive side of the outlook.

774 interviewed Leo Barry after the game in the Swans rooms and the interviewer and Leo both picked up on the fact that basically every player in the room was covered in ice and were exhausted. That said to me that although we couldn't get over the line, we at least made them earn it...which was something that most on here were NOT expecting 3-4 days ago...and something that Richmond isn't renowned for doing too often...

It was a good, entertaining fight and with more experience (that WILL come), we'll win games like this.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

Some supporters have to look where we have come from 2004 wooden spooners to improving steadily under TW, i can honestly see the structure taking place, in frawleys 5 year tenure i never new our game plan.

AT, neither did Danny.

 

[AstuteTiger]

Some supporters have to look where we have come from 2004 wooden spooners to improving steadily under TW, i can honestly see the structure taking place, in frawleys 5 year tenure i never knew our game plan.

AT, neither did Danny.

Yeah got me laughing their CTT :rofl :rofl :rofl