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A hypothetical: Where will this team end in 2007?

Griff

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Jan 31, 2005
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I thought it would be interesting to have a bit of a hypothetical.

Take a team (unnamed) from 2006, and think about whether or not this team will go up or down the ladder in 2007.

Some background:

* It has a predominantly young list, from whom it should expect considerable improvement in 2007, gaining more experience of AFL football.

* Its young players include an NAB rising star winner, and a runner up.

* A bad run of injuries in 2006 gave its young list more opportunities to play AFL football than would have been normal.

* In the process two young players emerged as possible future stars

* Of all the teams with predominantly young lists, it ended up highest on the ladder at the end of 2006.

* In 2006 it beat all the teams below it except one or two; and lost to all the teams above it except two, suggesting that its 2006 result reflected its true strength then, relative to other teams.

* Its 2006 retirements played little role that year, with the exception of one player who was serviceable.

* There is little sign that its few players over 30 years old will play a lesser role in 2007

* Apart from the draft, its recruitment at the end of the year yielded two middle-level AFL standard key position players

* It had a bad run of injuries in 2006, and gets back its best player for 2007 fully fit

* It has one of the better (one of the best?) coaches and coaching teams in the AFL

When I look at all this, I see a team that--on paper--is all upside, and ought to be looking at winning more games and moving up the ladder--unless, of course, it had an exceptionally bad year with injuries, etc. Or if it played well below itself.

Now this is an entirely fictional proposition, but wouldn't it be strange if all the expert commentators predicted a radical slide down the ladder for such a promising outfit!!
 
What if it is also a team which has spent 25 years in the wilderness, has experienced several false dawns during that time and, in 2006, was unable to capture the imagination because it was belted big time on four occasions?

Besides, the media experts aren't that bright. They just rehash what they said last year and what their highly respected colleagues said last week. Listening to the Run Home on SEN lately, it is obvious that David Schwartz, for example, pulled a hypothetical ladder out of his left ear hole last week for something to say and now has to put up with irate Richmond fans whinging at him constantly.
 
Well argued, Griff.

Griff said:
* In 2006 it beat all the teams below it except one or two; and lost to all the teams above it except two, suggesting that its 2006 result reflected its true strength then, relative to other teams.

Excellent point.
 
Can you name the team Griff?  Sounds like it's developing well and it would be great to be a member and watch those young kids mature as footballers, cheering the team on as it's strength develops. 

With such a young list there will probably be some ups and downs but I'm sure fans of such a  promising sounding club understand that and will support them 100%.

P.S.  Sounds like that team is long overdue to be bypassed by the injury gods
 
Griff said:
I thought it would be interesting to have a bit of a hypothetical.

Take a team (unnamed) from 2006, and think about whether or not this team will go up or down the ladder in 2007.

Some background:

* It has a predominantly young list, from whom it should expect considerable improvement in 2007, gaining more experience of AFL football.

* Its young players include an NAB rising star winner, and a runner up.

* A bad run of injuries in 2006 gave its young list more opportunities to play AFL football than would have been normal.

* In the process two young players emerged as possible future stars

* Of all the teams with predominantly young lists, it ended up highest on the ladder at the end of 2006.

* In 2006 it beat all the teams below it except one or two; and lost to all the teams above it except two, suggesting that its 2006 result reflected its true strength then, relative to other teams.

* Its 2006 retirements played little role that year, with the exception of one player who was serviceable.

* There is little sign that its few players over 30 years old will play a lesser role in 2007

* Apart from the draft, its recruitment at the end of the year yielded two middle-level AFL standard key position players

* It had a bad run of injuries in 2006, and gets back its best player for 2007 fully fit

* It has one of the better (one of the best?) coaches and coaching teams in the AFL

When I look at all this, I see a team that--on paper--is all upside, and ought to be looking at winning more games and moving up the ladder--unless, of course, it had an exceptionally bad year with injuries, etc. Or if it played well below itself.

Now this is an entirely fictional proposition, but wouldn't it be strange if all the expert commentators predicted a radical slide down the ladder for such a promising outfit!!

early nomination for post of the year. Griff, you should email this to 3aw and SEN. as a matter of fact, I might just do so... i hope you don't mind me plagerising you
 
You have contributed some valid points there Griff, it'll be great if you went back and supportered your statements with the players you think.

Sssssnnnnnniiiiifffffffff!
 
Hey Pesto! said:
What's the Rising Star stuff go to do with anything? A complete irrelevance!

Maybe an indication there are some quality kids coming through the ranks. ;)
 
rosy23 said:
Hey Pesto! said:
What's the Rising Star stuff go to do with anything? A complete irrelevance!

Maybe an indication there are some quality kids coming through the ranks. ;)

It's clearly a contentious award, based on some pretty dodgy voting by media commentators and really exists only to promote its sponsor.

Every team has at least a couple of good kids, thus using this as part of the hypothetical, is baseless flim flam!
 
geoffryprettyboy said:
You have contributed some valid points there Griff, it'll be great if you went back and supportered your statements with the players you think.

Sssssnnnnnniiiiifffffffff!
All that flowersniffing seems to have affected your sinuses oh pretty one.
Perhaps you need to change from no - doz to rhinocort, just be careful the testers don't pick you up for the cortizone.
Things could get nasty.
 
TOT70 said:
What if it is also a team which has spent 25 years in the wilderness, has experienced several false dawns during that time and, in 2006, was unable to capture the imagination because it was belted big time on four occasions?

TOT70: It's not unknown for AFL/VFL teams to have had long periods in the wilderness. The team I started supporting as a kid had been in the wilderness for 16 years, during which it had been in the four only once, five years before I was born. When I started supporting them they'd been in the bottom four four times in the previous five years. They stayed in the bottom four for the three of the next four years (the other year they were eighth). Then, with a dynamic new club secretary, the team got a top quality experienced coach, who tragically died (mid-season I remember). Nevertheless, there were two years of improvement: to 9th and 5th, frustratingly just outside the four.

Then came an unknown premiership coach from the Victorian countryside, and another year just outside the finals. A total of 22 seasons with just one finals appearance, ending up 4th.

Does this all sound familiar?

Why would you be excited?
 
Hey Pesto! said:
rosy23 said:
Hey Pesto! said:
What's the Rising Star stuff go to do with anything? A complete irrelevance!

Maybe an indication there are some quality kids coming through the ranks. ;)

It's clearly a contentious award, based on some pretty dodgy voting by media commentators and really exists only to promote its sponsor.

Every team has at least a couple of good kids, thus using this as part of the hypothetical, is baseless flim flam!

Rising Star winners 1993-2002

* 1993 Nathan Buckley (Brisbane)
* 1994 Chris Scott (Brisbane)
* 1995 Nick Holland (Hawthorn)
* 1996 Ben Cousins (West Coast Eagles)
* 1997 Michael Wilson (Port Adelaide)
* 1998 Byron Pickett (North Melbourne)
* 1999 Adam Goodes (Sydney)
* 2000 Paul Hasleby (Fremantle)
* 2001 Justin Koschitzke (St Kilda)
* 2002 Nick Riewoldt (St Kilda)

Just give me some of that flim flam for my hypothetical team!!!!
 
Griff said:
Hey Pesto! said:
rosy23 said:
Hey Pesto! said:
What's the Rising Star stuff go to do with anything? A complete irrelevance!

Maybe an indication there are some quality kids coming through the ranks. ;)

It's clearly a contentious award, based on some pretty dodgy voting by media commentators and really exists only to promote its sponsor.

Every team has at least a couple of good kids, thus using this as part of the hypothetical, is baseless flim flam!

Rising Star winners 1993-2002

* 1993 Nathan Buckley (Brisbane)
* 1994 Chris Scott (Brisbane)
* 1995 Nick Holland (Hawthorn)
* 1996 Ben Cousins (West Coast Eagles)
* 1997 Michael Wilson (Port Adelaide)
* 1998 Byron Pickett (North Melbourne)
* 1999 Adam Goodes (Sydney)
* 2000 Paul Hasleby (Fremantle)
* 2001 Justin Koschitzke (St Kilda)
* 2002 Nick Riewoldt (St Kilda)

Just give me some of that flim flam for my hypothetical team!!!!

Yes, they are good players, mainly. But so what? These players are scattered around the different teams, so it doesnt really give anyone an advantage overall. At least, u can't use it as some sort of conclusive evidence in yr hyopthetical argument!
 
Hey Pesto! said:
Griff said:
Hey Pesto! said:
rosy23 said:
Hey Pesto! said:
What's the Rising Star stuff go to do with anything? A complete irrelevance!

Maybe an indication there are some quality kids coming through the ranks. ;)

It's clearly a contentious award, based on some pretty dodgy voting by media commentators and really exists only to promote its sponsor.

Every team has at least a couple of good kids, thus using this as part of the hypothetical, is baseless flim flam!

Rising Star winners 1993-2002

* 1993 Nathan Buckley (Brisbane)
* 1994 Chris Scott (Brisbane)
* 1995 Nick Holland (Hawthorn)
* 1996 Ben Cousins (West Coast Eagles)
* 1997 Michael Wilson (Port Adelaide)
* 1998 Byron Pickett (North Melbourne)
* 1999 Adam Goodes (Sydney)
* 2000 Paul Hasleby (Fremantle)
* 2001 Justin Koschitzke (St Kilda)
* 2002 Nick Riewoldt (St Kilda)

Just give me some of that flim flam for my hypothetical team!!!!

Yes, they are good players, mainly. But so what? These players are scattered around the different teams, so it doesnt really give anyone an advantage overall. At least, u can't use it as some sort of conclusive evidence in yr hyopthetical argument!

Oh you cant be serious mate... First you said Sandlinds for the Brownlow and now this. Seriously ban this guy