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im with sky beau on this one far to many like to throw stones in this regard. those who resort to this tactic have lost any argument they are in it smacks of last resort desperation.purepowertiges said:
i think polak deal is a disgrace and the wrong way to go about building a list from a still very low point. yet im a sook and not a true supporter according to some. that may be so but on this topic im 100% certain im right.
people ask me to support polak ive seen heaps of him i dont think hes a player and as such he wont get my support until he proves he can play. ive said it before i dont support underachievers i never will.
I think the point has been missed. This thread isn't about a particular single draft decision by RFC. It's about the general idea of giving a person a second chance. This is interesting because trade week just ended and quite a few well known AFL names find themselves at new homes. Will the supporters and (new) teammates give their new recruits a second chance?
the claw said:
An under achiever at present, sure Claw but there is nothing you can do about the fact that the bloke will be playing for us next year and your opinion means Jack until at least one third of the way through 2007 no matter which way you look at it. The facts to this point on Polak may support you it so congratulations but facts can change and hopefully they will. If they don't then do you want a medal or just a chest to pin it on!
I believe that is bit of a pointless exercise. We will never know who RFC might have selected with those picks as compared to who actually gets taken at each number. You may not be comparing apples with apples
Who knows what will happen in the draft! In theory we could end up with the same draftee at 13 that we would have taken at 8 anyway.
PPT, I guess you won't be reading or responding to this, but oh well. I'll make it brief.
The real reason why you're now distancing yourself from this is because you said something silly and irrational, got called out for it, and since then you've been desperately trying to alter what you said. Unfortunately you didn't think before you posted initially...and you got caught out. I won't say you need to apologise for what you said, but just think things through next time.
By the way, nice ninja edit :
...if claw hadn't quoted your edited message, I would not have seen your alterations. Will you change your original statement now that tygrys and claw have come and said similar things to me, I wonder...
The real reason why you're now distancing yourself from this is because you said something silly and irrational, got called out for it, and since then you've been desperately trying to alter what you said. Unfortunately you didn't think before you posted initially...and you got caught out. I won't say you need to apologise for what you said, but just think things through next time.
By the way, nice ninja edit :
...if claw hadn't quoted your edited message, I would not have seen your alterations. Will you change your original statement now that tygrys and claw have come and said similar things to me, I wonder...
Polak to the rescue
The Age, 16 June 2005
Geoff McClure
Such is the nature of the media that while we're quick to pick up on players when they get into strife, what we often don't get round to reporting is some of the good things they do too.
Take the case of Fremantle star Graham Polak, who, along with teammate Steven Dodd, was suspended for one game last week over a drinking misdemeanour.
We now discover that at the precise moment Polak was sit-ting at home watching coach Chris Connolly tell the world about his young stars' naughty-boy exploits, there was a bang at the door from a neighbour who frantically explained to him that she had inadvertently locked her two-year-old daughter in the upstairs bedroom of their Canning Vale home.
With Connolly still waffling on about team rules, knight-in-shining armour Polak was out of his chair in an instant and was across the road - and had the door open and the baby back in her mother's arms - before the sports reader even had time to cross to the weatherman.
Polak, by the way, turns 21 today so if the neighbour hasn't repaid him with a gift this might be the perfect opportunity.
If she does, let's hope it's not a bottle of anything resembling alcohol.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/geoff-mcclure/sporting-life/2005/06/15/1118645865759.html
Doesn't sound like the actions of a drug-addled layabout (not counting alcohol as a drug
). Who knows, he may even have leadership qualities waiting to be developed.
The Age, 16 June 2005
Geoff McClure
Such is the nature of the media that while we're quick to pick up on players when they get into strife, what we often don't get round to reporting is some of the good things they do too.
Take the case of Fremantle star Graham Polak, who, along with teammate Steven Dodd, was suspended for one game last week over a drinking misdemeanour.
We now discover that at the precise moment Polak was sit-ting at home watching coach Chris Connolly tell the world about his young stars' naughty-boy exploits, there was a bang at the door from a neighbour who frantically explained to him that she had inadvertently locked her two-year-old daughter in the upstairs bedroom of their Canning Vale home.
With Connolly still waffling on about team rules, knight-in-shining armour Polak was out of his chair in an instant and was across the road - and had the door open and the baby back in her mother's arms - before the sports reader even had time to cross to the weatherman.
Polak, by the way, turns 21 today so if the neighbour hasn't repaid him with a gift this might be the perfect opportunity.
If she does, let's hope it's not a bottle of anything resembling alcohol.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/geoff-mcclure/sporting-life/2005/06/15/1118645865759.html
Doesn't sound like the actions of a drug-addled layabout (not counting alcohol as a drug
). Who knows, he may even have leadership qualities waiting to be developed.
rosy23 said:
Agree, however it's human nature for prospective employees to see themselves in terms of what they are capable of in future, and for employers to picture people according to their past. Most (if not all) PREnders would be members and as such are stakeholders in RFC; if a new player has a questionable history, they are right to be concerned.
If Polak keeps this in mind he should be able to cope with the doubters and be motivated to realise his full potential.
rosy23 said:
Yes, thats the one I meant. I'll highlight the bits I took issue with...and the bits ppt has desperately tried to unsay...
purepowertiges said:
You're quite correct in that it was not personal, he wasn't aiming it at one person...he was aiming it at all 'negative' posters. As evidenced by his comment that it was a general statement. He never out-and-out says that he believes that these people with 'negative' opinions are lesser supporters (compared to himself, I guess)...but, to me, its quite clear what he meant. If that's his opinion...then its a shoddy one, and definitely not a credit to him.
Thanks for the reply sky. I certainly can't see anything to offend anyone myself. Some would agree with the post and some wouldn't. I suppose we all have different perceptions of what supporter means. I don't think vitriolic abuse is necessary but there's always room for civil constructive criticism. Of course just imho.
Bloody hell mighty boy take a look at what Freo had to cough up to get a couple of middle aged almosts that have done very little for the last couple of years.mb64 said:
I can't for the life of me see how Freo can think they've done well with Taz and Solly.
I think they've overrated where they are because they got on a bit of a roll this year and have grabbed a couple of guys that have passed their best.
Not sure that they can get past a prelim at best in the next couple of seasons and have blown a bit of a whole in their drafting last year and this just to try and get some cred.
mb64 said:
Out of interest mb, what would you have given up? Is it 8 to 13 that was too much or the 3rd rounder? In my opinion we could have done something about 3rd rounder, maybe 4th rounder instead, but the 8th pick was the key to the three-way deal coming off.