He's a lot more exciting than most of our recent past. I wouldn't want to be the guy that let him go to another club...David C said:
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A new contract for Lids.
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Tigers of Old said:
Big difference between "letting him go" anywhere and going ballistic on over the top praise and predictions for his future (which is what I was referring to).
Just have a look at this thread, one decent season (by Richmond standards, outstanding.....) and some people are heading in the direction of sainthood........
Looks very similar to the over-reaction Coughlan got after he won the B&F, so as I stated:
Let's see if we ever learn from the mistakes of our (recent) past........
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" lets play like the tigers of old ! "
An interesting thread and very interesting views from everyone. Everyone knows my thoughts on Brett, everytime I see him run the lines i get goosebumps!!! normally I would have a similar view to David C but this kid is DIFFERENT!!!!
No doubt a future captain at RFC (maybe even the next one) $350K for 3 would be a starting point IMO. The kid will simply be that good. No need to worry though...GM will be all over this when the time comes.
So let's sit back and enjoy BD in yellow and black for the next 15 years
No doubt a future captain at RFC (maybe even the next one) $350K for 3 would be a starting point IMO. The kid will simply be that good. No need to worry though...GM will be all over this when the time comes.
So let's sit back and enjoy BD in yellow and black for the next 15 years
I have to agree Rosy and Cogs didn't have the immediate impact that Lids did. The year after he won the B&F he copped the OP, had that no happened he may have improved on his B&F form and how could he or us for that matter be blamed for his injury?rosy23 said:
not such a silly idea. ala alistair lynch. every one laughed or gasped when he got 1.8 million but in the end was cheap. if we offered 4million over 10 years that is 400,000 a season but in 4 years time mite only be chicken feed 4 some winning their 2nd brownlow. ( i know but there not much else to write about)tha8ball said:
CarnTheTiges said:
Ohmigod, players can get injured!!!!, how could that possibly happen when we've just anointed our B&F winner as the new "face" of Richmond, and people are talking about making him captain.........
(This should answer the question about the "mistake" I referred to with Coughlan).
I'm sure if we all cross our finger and toes, the form a player shows in one season will be carried through his whole injury free career as we have signed him (and his children) up for the next 10 years, no matter what circumstances dictate as to what will be delivered.........
Deledio may be the best first-year player we've had at Richmond for a while, and he may go on to be an AFL star, but there is no guarantee whatsoever that he will - especially after just one season.
If people are so limited in their vision that they want to offer the world for such a player, one only has to point to other clubs who have made similar stupid gambles to see the consequences.
The mistake is - as always - that people at Richmond get carried away by a modicum of success and just do not have the discipline to restrain themselves and handle the situation in a common-sense manner.
I have no doubt that some people at the club - if they deemed the action would be "popular" with the majority of Richmond supporters - would sign Deledio to a massive contract, no matter what the potential negative consequences would be (that would be "someone else's" problem to deal with later on.......).
Well, the current situation we enjoy is the result of "later on" catching up to us right now, so if those advocating our policy of over-rewarding are serious, just tell us all that our current situation is acceptable to you and you are happy for us to make the same mistakes again...... and again...... and again.......
David I strongly agree with regards to the contract issue - Signing anyone up to a long term contract is fraught with danger and surely after the Daffy/Knights/Richo/Campbell and then Gaspar contracts you would hope we have learnt our lesson (Although there is Simmo's contract lol)
However, why wouldn't you anoint your best and fairest as the face of the club??? Especially when you take into account the individuals young age and the fact that he is actually very marketable. I don't really feel the criticism on that point is warranted.
However, why wouldn't you anoint your best and fairest as the face of the club??? Especially when you take into account the individuals young age and the fact that he is actually very marketable. I don't really feel the criticism on that point is warranted.
With all due respect David I think you're making the mistake in thinking our opinions have any great great effect either way. Sure we were rapt with Cogs, and I think he'd be a good captain still, but what harm is there in that? He's a wonderful rolemodel to have as "face of the club"
It didn't increase his contract or affect the club in any way. It just gave supporters something to be happy for.
Cogs had a year off but his form this season, despite his handicaps, wasn't that far removed from the form that made us all sit up and look.
People on here are saying similar things about Lids as they were about Cogs but I fail to see how it's any mistake at all. In fact I think it makes bugger all difference really.
My glass is half full.
It didn't increase his contract or affect the club in any way. It just gave supporters something to be happy for.
Cogs had a year off but his form this season, despite his handicaps, wasn't that far removed from the form that made us all sit up and look.
People on here are saying similar things about Lids as they were about Cogs but I fail to see how it's any mistake at all. In fact I think it makes bugger all difference really.
My glass is half full.
meltiger said:
A short answer:
Time, time, time.
A longer answer:
One good season doesn't make a player a champion, one reasonable first year performance doesn't guarantee that a player is going to win a Brownlow.
Some of us still remember a period where a player had to deliver 3 or 4 seasons of consistent good quality football to even be considered one of the better players in our club, let alone the AFL.
At Richmond one decent year of anything (by our standards, not others) seems to be enough to have people drooling over what might be, and that is just a reflection of the desperation that years of continual failure bring.
It is also a recipe for continuing failure, and anyone who doesn't recognise that is part of our problem, and certainly not part of any viable solution that will break us out of this pattern.
I await any historical examples to show me how wrong I am in this matter..........
Now, on Coughlan specifically, after one good year in an ordinary side, we suddenly jump on this kid - who came to us with his chronic OP condition, so we certainly knew it was an issue - and make him our poster boy! - along with people talking about him being captain (FFS......)
Maybe if the kid had been in our top 3 for 3 consecutive year, maybe if he had proven himself to be in the AFL's top 20 players over a period of time and had demonstrated outstanding leadership skills, but no, we burden the kid with all that we did and then wonder why he broke down trying to meet our expectations.
As I stated previously, will we ever learn?, or will we try and send Deledio down the same path?...... :-[
rosy23 said:
Our "opinions" - as Richmond supporters - certainly have an influence, Coughlan was chosen because of his popularity and appeal to Richmond supporters - as discovered by the ubiquitous "market research" and other methods.
Do not underestimate "the supporters would like that" factor in any marketing issue, even if some of us thought the whole thing was too much for someone in his position to take on.
Marketing is all well and good in its place, but risking a young - and essentially unproven over any decent time frame - player to the fickleness of the supporter's favours based on what he might do is a gamble, a gamble that those clubs whose desperation overrides better judgement only seem to take.
Maybe Coughlan would have taken the badly needed rest after his B&F season without being subjected to the pressure of being the "Poster boy", he could well have managed his injury far better than what occurred and ended up doing himself and the club a lot more good than what occurred.
So often you hear of experienced players either saying things like "if I had know then what I know now", or "the advice I got from the blokes who had been around a while made me realise back then that I was making a mistake......", one wonders if anyone advised Coughlan that he might have been better off keeping a lower profile and further establishing himself.....
Anyway, as this thread is related to Deledio, let's see what path we take with him.
Yet again what mistake was there in us thinking Cogs was wonderful David. It hasn't hurt us one single bit. The club gave him a 3 year contract which was reasonable and it wasn't on an over inflated salary.
It didn't make a scrap of difference what we said.
If Deledio is offered similar to what Cogs was I'll be very happy.
Better keep Lids off the posters though in case he does a hammy. ;D
It didn't make a scrap of difference what we said.
If Deledio is offered similar to what Cogs was I'll be very happy.
Better keep Lids off the posters though in case he does a hammy. ;D
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