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a question re: our new recruiting guru, Craig Cameron

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On Fox Footy Teams tonight they dissected melbourne and geelongs drafts picks from the 2001 superdraft and compared their relative fortunes.

Melbourne picked up : Luke Molan, Steven Armstrong, Aaron Rogers and Brad Miller
Geelong picked up : Janes Bartel, James Kelly, Charlie Gardiner, Steve Johnson, Gary Ablett jnr, Henry Playfair

Where these CC's picks? if so... does anybody else have doubts on Craig Camerons track record?

He might be held in high regard by those in the know but his long record at the Dees isnt really one you'd look at and say "WOW".

What is it about CC that makes him such a desirable entity?
 
I've been canning him for years, blx. Melbourne's picks have been ordinary at best. Terrible really.

The scuttlebutt has been that he has a network, ground support sort of thing. But sheisen.

Frank had an ordinary 2005 but he only got three choices and one of those is chronically injured and it was his first year. And maybe one of the trio goes nuts. But his 2006 looks okay to good inasmuch as it can be assessed ATM.

Let's hope he's picking the draftees.

In Cameron's favour is that he is pretty upfront with the faithful. He'll state the reasons for his picks and what the club is aimong for. At least he did at Melbourne.

And maybe he's on contract list management duties and Frank will keep doing the picking.

FWIW I reckon we're too light and I have thought Melbourne has been too outside for years. So I'm pretty skeptical about Craig Cameron's capacity to right our ship.
 
Dyer'ere said:
In Cameron's favour is that he is pretty upfront with the faithful. He'll state the reasons for his picks and what the club is aimong for. At least he did at Melbourne.
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I bet he won't, make that can't, provide info in a similar manner at Richmond. Gee I'm betting a lot lately. :hihi
 
Who knows what goes on at football clubs he may have had other players in mind but may have been overruled by the club wanting a certain type of player. Melb may have poor player development much like us in recent years. Some recruiters do have a better eye for talent but there is also a lot of luck involved. All we can do is hope the club can get the best out the players we draft in the next few years, especially the Gold Coast Charity drafts
 
It was suggested by some melbourne supporters that his record while poor around 2001 and that era he has iomproved over recent years..
I guess someone could post his draft record to put that theory to the test...? I would but i am at work :)
 
I've said it before that while Cameron's records in actual selections is spotty, some good some bad, his identification of list needs has been quite good, such as when they identified they needed inside midfielders and got McLean and Sylvia. Given that his role at Richmond is list management I think its right up his alley. Francis Jackson is still in charge of recruitment and while he reports to CC he is making recommendations on recruits and undoubtedly being strongly involved in decisions made about recruits.
 
Well said Ian, Cameron isn't our recruiting manager so I don't know why we are judging him as such.
 
Redford said:
So he declined an offer to participate on PRE like he used to on one of the Melbourne forums ?
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The boys at work tell me he is going to post on another Tiger Forum.
 
If you consider that a list runs from about 18yo to 30yo, ie 12 years, which for the current list would span from 2007 way back to about 1995. To select merely one year from 12 is not a significant sample considering that the entire population of Geelong & Melbourne picks were available for analysis.

I look at Melbourne and I see a great bunch of kids:

Mark Jamar 198 100 24
Brad Miller 194 96 24
Matthew Warnock 192 93 24
Brent Moloney 182 88 24
Jared Rivers 192 90 23
Daniel Bell 186 92 23
John Meesen 200 97 22 new
Chris Johnson 188 87 22
Colin Sylvia 186 87 22
Brock McLean 184 88 22
Stefan Martin 198 97 21 new
Michael Newton 193 91 21
Lynden Dunn 192 92 21
Matthew Bate 192 90 21
Simon Buckley 190 87 21
Shane Valenti 176 80 21 new rookie
Colin Garland 191 85 20
Jace Bode 183 82 20
Clint Bartram 181 78 20
Nathan Jones 180 81 20
Trent Zomer 196 94 19 new rookie
James Frawley 193 88 19
Jack Grimes 187 81 19 new
Ricky Petterd 185 81 19
Isaac Weetra 184 83 19
Austin Wonaeamirri 176 76 19 new rookie
Jake Spencer 203 98 18 new rookie
Cale Morton 192 79 18 new
Tom McNamara 190 84 18 new
Kyle Cheney 184 85 18 new
Addam Maric 178 77 18 new

There might be one or two on that list with question marks, but gee, it looks like the basis for a very good list in 3 years time.

Just go back a few years when everyone was flogging Geelong & Bomber Thompson for underachieving.
If you're on the right course things can turn round within a few years.
 
jb03 said:
Geelong never "underachieved" to the extent the Dees are this year.
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Geelong spent their time at or near the bottom of the ladder.

For Melbourne, I did say a couple of years ago that they'd held onto their older players, as a group, for too long. Now they're paying for it. But it's all cycles.
 
jb03 said:
Geelong never "underachieved" to the extent the Dees are this year.
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Agreed jimboob.

The lowest that the Cats have finished is 12th in the past decade.
The Dees on the other hand look virtual certs for the spoon this year with a long road ahead.
 
Certainly not a bad year to hold up the ladder considering the Dees can go hard at this draft so they can set emselves up going forward whilst the likes of the Kangas, Saints, Sydney and most likely the Tigers miss the absolute best this year and for the next 2 or so.

Add NN and another 2-3 good youngsters to Bartrim, Dunne, Bate, McLean, Wonnameirri, Maric, Morton, Jones theyve got a bit to work with going forward.


Morton doing nicely and good to see Bartrim fit again.
 
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