AFL Draw V AFL Draft

[mactiger]

Something seems horribly wrong with the Afl's way of thinking.. We have teams that finish lower able to rebuild their lists by the means of better draft picks in the 2 drafts that are offered. Which seems to probably be the fairest way thats available. Then on the otherhand they continously bring out their Afl draw that disadvantages the lower teams, whats the theory in THAT..!!

One would have thought that the 2 would go hand in hand, and give the lower teams a bit of an edge, rather than the stronger teams.

 

[bowden4president]

Whats that saying...Paying Peter to rob Paul ( or something like that)

I prefer to Rob Peter to pay Paul, but if you've got something against Paul, by all means pay Peter to Rob him!!

 

[blx]

Whats that saying...Paying Peter to rob Paul ( or something like that)

apparently Andrew is the new man on the block now. Peter and Paul have been givin the ar$e!

 

[newyorktiger]

Why are we robbing Peter? Couldn't we pass around the hat, you know, hold a few chook raffles?

Are we reporting Paul to the ACCC because of his disgraceful standover tactics?

What led us to this situation, where we have to rob someone, to pay someone else?

What's this country coming too...

 

[Tigerfan]

During a previous administration the draw was balanced.

If a club finished in the bottom 8 it was drawn to play top 8 teams just once and bottom 8 teams twice in the following year.

That sytem was based on logic and made sense.

So we got rid of it

 

[Bill James]

http://www.afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=52820

Read the supposed reactions from the clubs on the AFL website and I promise you will start dry retching.

If more than two of those quotes were initiated by the quoted I will die a collingwood supporter.

Clearly drafted by the AFL for the AFL. What a joke.

By the way has anybody actually found the draw on the AFL website, I can find all this self congratulatory rubbish but not the draw.

 

[Al Bundy]

Being the user friendly site the AFL has NOT (as Borat would say)

follow this link ... http://afl.com.au/2008Fixture/tabid/10586/Default.aspx

Now to download it... after hunting it down through a few news articles cross referenced.. Unbelievably madly hidden ! follow this link

http://afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=52786

Then chose the format you require.

Stupidity at its best by the AFL to ensure the frustration is felt by fans continuing at all fronts !

 

[CarnTheTiges]

The one and only factor that the AFL take into account when designing the draft is how to give Collingwood a draw that will maximise attendances, ratings and profits.

 

[TigerFurious]

The one and only factor that the AFL take into account when designing the draft is how to give Collingwood a draw that will maximise attendances, ratings and profits.

I think you'll find Seven have a pretty big say in who gets what games and when.

Fact of life kids. Collingwood draw big crowds, big ratings and big money and the draw is uneven. Accept it and move on.

 

[Rosy]

Richmond draw well too but the AFL have given up all guise of fair and equitable treatment of all clubs.  They like the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer, and some club's to do well at the expense of others and the draw regularly reflects their agenda.

I agree with mac's original concerns that the draft is supposedly designed to help create equality but the draw is quite the opposite.

 

[meltiger]

Maybe instead of creating 'equity' - Other clubs should try and follow Collingwood's lead and build their business to an equal level.


Of course, it's just easier to have a sook about the Pies then admit there is a lot of hard work for our club to do to be on an even playing field with them. :

 

[Rosy]

Of course, it's just easier to have a sook about the Pies then admit there is a lot of hard work for our club to do to be on an even playing field with them. :

It's not a matter of having a sook about the Pies, or about Richmond, it's about the AFL and it's agenda so : back at ya. :hihi

How are the weaker clubs such as the Roos and the Dogs going to follow Collingwood's lead and build up sponsorship etc when they don't get anywhere near the same prime exposure and their favoured draw? Friday night games are a massive advantage.

Sure Collingwood demand it and good luck to them but the AFL don't have to bow to them to the extent they do. They are more interested in feathering their own nests than having any semblence of a balanced and fair draw and they manufacture things to be the way they want them rather than be even remotely random or balanced..

I don't have our figures but I remember reading Richmond was one of the highest drawing crowds last year, despite our season horribillus so don't you find it a bit strange Collingwood get 128 (or so it seems) Friday night games and we don't even get a single one? We're as capable as the Pies of packing the G on a Friday night and I imagine we'd attract pretty handy telly audiences too.

 

[Stuart]

I think it is robbing Visy to pay Chris & the AFL off.

 

[meltiger]

Of course, it's just easier to have a sook about the Pies then admit there is a lot of hard work for our club to do to be on an even playing field with them. :

It's not a matter of having a sook about the Pies, or about Richmond, it's about the AFL and it's agenda so : back at ya. :hihi

How are the weaker clubs such as the Roos and the Dogs going to follow Collingwood's lead and build up sponsorship etc when they don't get anywhere near the same prime exposure and their favoured draw? Friday night games are a massive advantage.

Sure Collingwood demand it and good luck to them but the AFL don't have to bow to them to the extent they do. They are more interested in feathering their own nests than having any semblence of a balanced and fair draw and they manufacture things to be the way they want them rather than be even remotely random or balanced..

I don't have our figures but I remember reading Richmond was one of the highest drawing crowds last year, despite our season horribillus so don't you find it a bit strange Collingwood get 128 (or so it seems) Friday night games and we don't even get a single one? We're as capable as the Pies of packing the G on a Friday night and I imagine we'd attract pretty handy telly audiences too.

We won the wooden spoon, Collingwood finished in the toip 4.


The AFL's key goal is to increase it's exposure, and the tv stations who pay the bills (Including ours) want the games they can market the most. So of course, the games most popular club is going to be more attractive to them then a club who won 3 1/2 games last season. It's called reality Rosy.


FYI - My post wasn't specifically directed at you, there has seemingly been more sooking on here about Collingwood than comment on our own draw. :


With the two clubs you mention ... Footscray could ensure their future by using some of their handout money to promote themselves much more heavily out here (I live in the West). I'd consider them to be my second side because they are the locals, but gee they could work a hell of a lot harder out here.

Nth Melbourne as we know it are a basket case and dead in the water and deservedly so. If you compare their fanbase/attendances/membership with ours taking into account the two clubs respective performances over the 90's, they deserve to go.

 

[GoodOne]

We won the wooden spoon, Collingwood finished in the toip 4.

Regardless, even against teams who finish in similar positions to Collingwood, Collingwood always seem to get the dream draw. This is not really about where teams finish, its about the power that certain people have at certain clubs.

For the record, I am not unhappy with the Tigers draw next year. Other than the lack of Friday night games (which surely affects sponsorship capacity) we seemed to have received a fair draw.

 

[TigerFurious]

Honestly, I don't understand what all the bitching about.

Collingwood have more supporters, draw bigger crowds and rate high when on TV than any other club in the league. Hence why they get all their home games at the 'G', play half their games on Friday night and travel interstate less than any other Victorian club.

Yes it's not fair, but life isn't fair kids. Just accept it and move on.

 

[Jason King]

Lets not kid ourselves, the draft isnt fair either. We finish last and still dont get the 1st pick ???

Priority picks are fine, but they should be after everyone else has had their first pick.

The draw is a joke, but what do the afl care ? if RFC continues to pull big crowds despite the draw, the afl will think they were justified in doing so.

 

[Tiger74]

Honestly, I don't understand what all the b!tching about.

Collingwood have more supporters, draw bigger crowds and rate high when on TV than any other club in the league.  Hence why they get all their home games at the 'G', play half their games on Friday night and travel interstate less than any other Victorian club.

Yes it's not fair, but life isn't fair kids.  Just accept it and move on.

To be fair I think most are pretty happy with the draw in principle, we played a shocker in 2008 so we expect to get treated as such.

Problem is though the consistency of the AFL message which makes many  :.  When Richmond perform well and Pies/Dons do bad, we get told that its crowds that matter, and Dons/Pies bring in attendances and TV audience.  When the reverse happens however, the argument becomes its all about performance.

We are all big kids, and know the reality is that the schedule is driven by $$$.  If they came out and said "Richmond will always miss a big chunk of the marquee night games and will be forced to play at the Dome as we want to maximize the AFL's financial returns, but the equalization fund will kick in for you guys and help out for the loss of sponsor funds", I think most would have a quiet grumble but accept this as the reality of modern football.

The Dome issue really bugs me though.  How Hawthorn has played at the G more than us when they are selling games into Tassie baffles me.

 

[IanG]

Honestly, I don't understand what all the b!tching about.

Collingwood have more supporters, draw bigger crowds and rate high when on TV than any other club in the league. Hence why they get all their home games at the 'G', play half their games on Friday night and travel interstate less than any other Victorian club.

Yes it's not fair, but life isn't fair kids. Just accept it and move on.

So lets name it the Collingwood Football League and be done with it then.