AFL Drug Policy

[Rosy]

Also Rosy are you asking me to leave the site?

Sorry I forgot to answer that. The answer is no and I didn't mention, or think, anything of the sort.

You would be a great journalist

Thank you. Move over Caro. :hihi

 

[Stuart]

I wrote PRE as a source of public exposure in my initial post on this thread, you seem to have taken it as if you are PRE, are you?

I was referring to your comment about PRE having an extra thread, not rosy having an extra thread. (btw most people quote a point of interest to them rather than an entire post)

My personal views are nothing to do with being an Admin. (and I know you didn't say that exactly but it's not the first time you've had a similar dig at me and I haven't noticed you asking any other posters a similar question)

Stop talking hypotheticals, AFL players aren't using illicit drugs for AFL they are using them for what every one esle in the community uses them for- to get off there nut.

So my post is hyperthetical but your opinion is fact? :rofl

Get them the help they require, but publish their name so PRE has an extra thread- no way, they are people with lives after all.

Yes they do have lives and that's why I haven't named anyone. It was intended more as a generalisation about the situation, and by AFL naming them I didn't mean some official ceromony, just that if they're suspended being named would come with the territory.

It's nothing to get personal about, such as asking if I think I am PRE. It seems you're not the biggest fan of this thread, and I thought your thread titled Captain Pitiful was pretty ordinary. You get that. Such is Life.

Well firstly, context is an important thing whan quoting & making a point of it. I feel you have not taken my initial post for what it was, you have seen PRE written & gone like a bull through a china shop. Stop, read my post, take a whollistic view. I am on PRE hence I used PRE as my 'public/media' outlet in my post. It could have been Age, H-S or PRE, it doesn't really matter.

You then wote: So my post is hyperthetical but your opinion is fact?

To match your style- where did I write that?!! Continue to keep rolling on the floor Rosy. I didn't even quote you, but hey.

I don't want to be personally insulting you... it is an internet forum, so it is a bit hard really. I feel that PRE was in my qoute & you have taken it as an insult to you.
As for the Captain Pitiful thread, I still stick by it, he in my view is an average captain with no on filed leadership & a B grade midfielder, now being played in a negative role. I will stop cos this thread doesn't need to be taken over by KJ.
I only ask posters questions appropriate to them, yes it was a dig, but what do you expect we are going head to head!

 

[Ghost Who Walks]

High risk occupations are now bringing in drug testing with ZERO tolerance, for example Air Traffic Controllers.

While footballers actions do not directly impact on other lives, they are in the spotlight and accept the benefits that come from being a footballer (Money, Fame etc).

They say they are not role models, but sports people are Australia's for wont of a better word "Royalty".

Sacrifices are made in any occupation, so if you want to do drugs [Recreational or Performance] do not play first class sport.

IMHO the clubs should be notified on the 1st positive result, to enable support/education to be actioned.

If a 2nd positive result occurs then suspension / dismissal.

If you want to be Lawrence Angwen and party with your friends, so be it but don't play elite sports.

Simple choice really.

 

[Rosy]

You then wote: So my post is hyperthetical but your opinion is fact?

To match your style- where did I write that?!!

I dunno. I didn't say you wote that so why ask me? :ner

 

[Stuart]

You then wote: So my post is hyperthetical but your opinion is fact?

To match your style- where did I write that?!!

I dunno. I didn't say you wote that so why ask me? :ner

Ah ok! It was a question you were asking, my mistake. I should take the time to answer it then. The answer is YES, always will be in relation to any topic! That symbol thingy staright back at ya!

 

[mj72]

[/quote]Meth amphetamines could easily be considered performance enhancing mate.

[/quote]

Not in football.
At the levels required to not be detrimental you would be better off using caffeine which has superior anti-fatigue qualities.
Anyway, its a moot point, the players in question are combining their use with alcohol consumption and being out all night.

 

[Ian4]

For crying out loud, the difference between illicit drugs & streoids are one.
Illicit drugs will enhance you on a Saturday night & steroids, masking agents will enhance you on the playing field.
The AFL has to identify anyone using performance enhancing substances immediately as they are cheating, someone snorting coke in the bathroom at a nighbtclub does not need to be exposed as they aren't cheating in a sporting sense, they are only hurting themselves. To be exposed on a national scale when they might be a one time offender is crazy. Get them the help they require, but publish their name so PRE has an extra thread- no way, they are people with lives after all.

couldn't agree more with disco stu. you should be named and shamed if you get caught taking performance enhancing drugs. as for recreational drugs, they are illegal so they are a matter for the police. i can see the argument for recreational drug testing during the season as it may have potential to affect on field performance, but players should never be tested during the offseason. they are adults and should be considered responsible enough to make their own decisions, whether that be good or bad.

 

[Tigers of Old]

High risk occupations are now bringing in drug testing with ZERO tolerance, for example Air Traffic Controllers.

While footballers actions do not directly impact on other lives, they are in the spotlight and accept the benefits that come from being a footballer (Money, Fame etc).

They say they are not role models, but sports people are Australia's for wont of a better word "Royalty".

Sacrifices are made in any occupation, so if you want to do drugs [Recreational or Performance] do not play first class sport.

IMHO the clubs should be notified on the 1st positive result, to enable support/education to be actioned.

If a 2nd positive result occurs then suspension / dismissal.

If you want to be Lawrence Angwen and party with your friends, so be it but don't play elite sports.

Simple choice really.

Good post Ghost.
I tend to lean towards a lower tolerance than some.
Some of these drugs are hardcore and using can easily lead to an addiction.

Whilst it should probably be predominantly during the season it has to be remembered these guys are still employees of the club and could easily develop a habit in the six months they are not playing football. These drugs are illegal.

So no grey areas all year.

I'd say.

Once: Club, doctor & family are notified. Kept in house, Education etc.
Twice: You are named and suspended. Rehab etc.
Thrice: Booted out of the game and good luck.


Sorry but these guys need to be made an example of IMO.
Only fools get mixed up in Ice, ketamine etc.

 

[AstuteTiger]

Only fools get mixed up in Ice, ketamine etc.
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Kerr ur such a horse!

 

[skiptomystu]

What's the big deal? What, now footballers can't even choose what they have for brekky anymore?

http://www.stayspecial.com.au/

 

[Bill James]

High risk occupations are now bringing in drug testing with ZERO tolerance, for example Air Traffic Controllers.

While footballers actions do not directly impact on other lives, they are in the spotlight and accept the benefits that come from being a footballer (Money, Fame etc).

They say they are not role models, but sports people are Australia's for wont of a better word "Royalty".

Sacrifices are made in any occupation, so if you want to do drugs [Recreational or Performance] do not play first class sport.

IMHO the clubs should be notified on the 1st positive result, to enable support/education to be actioned.

If a 2nd positive result occurs then suspension / dismissal.

If you want to be Lawrence Angwen and party with your friends, so be it but don't play elite sports.

Simple choice really.

On the right track but it has to be first offence.

Does the AFL wait until a drug affected player spotting for a teamate in the gym lets him down, or gets on the field and leaves himself open for a huge hit?Better to be identified and stood aside from risk activities immediately. Its not a question of naming and shaming, but minimising the immediate risk in the workplace and then educating. Better to get pulled up on your first offence than sneak through for five years and blow your career and life, or worse still someone elses.

Suspension for performance enhancing drugs is a punishment. Suspension for illicit drugs should not so much be seen as a punishment but a necessary protection and opportunity for education.

 

[Richmond United]

Zero tolerance would cause players to think long and hard!

 

[Ian4]

Zero tolerance would cause players to think long and hard!

zero tolerance doesn't work in society, why would footy be any different?

 

[Western Tiger]

This is the problem; there is no one answer or a quick fix solution to the drug problem. What ever happens I just hope those caught are given all the help they need. This IMO is the real worry, sanctioning a player by suspension or whatever is a given, but lets hope the players life’s are sorted out so that they can move on with their lives afterwards. Being publicly shamed could make a bad situation much worse without proper help.

 

[SfB_AkA._DeLiCiOuS]

The AFL needs to take a good hard look at themselves with the stand they have on recreational drugs.

Personally i think their policy is shocking.

 

[IanG]

1 strike Club Doctor told, counselling offered.
2 strikes Clubs told, have to make it public because we all know clubs leak like sieves. Maybe a minor suspension of 2 weeks.