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AFLW season

DavidSSS

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It will take time, but I saw some glimpses of what AFLW can be in Carlton's ball movement at times in the third quarter.

It will not be the same as men's footy. A fair few of the women playing AFLW would go fine in mixed leagues at lower levels, but at the top level you are dealing with the best of the best and that is where the biological differences do come into play. For most of us biological sex is not going to be the determining factor of who is a better player, but at the top, where the skill levels are similar and advantages are small, it makes a difference.

They need to get up to speed on skills, which is happening, and then create their own style of game.

DS
 

22nd Man

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It will take time, but I saw some glimpses of what AFLW can be in Carlton's ball movement at times in the third quarter.

It will not be the same as men's footy. A fair few of the women playing AFLW would go fine in mixed leagues at lower levels, but at the top level you are dealing with the best of the best and that is where the biological differences do come into play. For most of us biological sex is not going to be the determining factor of who is a better player, but at the top, where the skill levels are similar and advantages are small, it makes a difference.

They need to get up to speed on skills, which is happening, and then create their own style of game.

DS
Your last sentence resonates with me. Women's basketball doesn't have the features of men's game ...dunks, alley oops,... but it is a highly entertaining high quality sport with a higher emphasis on team play than the one on one style of men's game.

The notion that competitors can cross over from one sport and become elite players in another overnight is ludicrous. In fact the more they are praised as "athletes" the longer it will take for standards to rise. We all know the difference between a footballer and an athlete.
 
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ToraToraTora

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Nothing needs to be fixed cos there is nothing "wrong" with it. If you don't like....you know the rest.
 

zippadeee

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Nothing needs to be fixed cos there is nothing "wrong" with it. If you don't like....you know the rest.
The problem is if there isn't a vast improvement people will drop off.
The kids are the ones who will improve the competition.
Carltons kids were more advanced in skill then the 28 year olds on the ground..
 

wayne

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Well Damien hardwick’s team has a tough time in their first couple of seasons and you know what?


I’ll back the women to keep improving and end up playing a pretty tidy brand.
We did, and we were roasted for it, worst since Fitzroy, Tambling over Buddy, Richmondy, Ninthmond etc.

You can't criticise AFLW at all without being called a hater.

Boring AFL games are called forgettable, ugly and games you wouldn't put in a time capsule.

Boring AFLW games are called great contests.
 

Baloo

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Trying to compare AFLW to AFL is just stupid really.
 
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Scoop

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Trying to compare AFLW to AFL is just stupid really.
So this. All for AFLW. Absolutely deserves its place in the footballing landscape. Will grow quickly.

Doesn’t mean I have to watch it but I wholeheartedly support its right to be and not denigrate it.
 
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Rfc4Ever

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IMO the AFL has gone too hard and too early with the AFLW. Overly significant money/time/resources has been put into it and will continue to be the case for years due to low crowds/average skills/ticket sales and low memberships.

Can't see it being close to financially viable anytime soon.
 
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Tigers of Old

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IMO the AFL has gone too hard and too early with the AFLW. Overly significant money/time/resources has been put into it and will continue to be the case for years due to low crowds/average skills/ticket sales and low memberships.

Can't see it being close to financially viable anytime soon.
I have said for some time it's an amateur sport presented as a professional one as it stands.
The poor skills on display did little to change my mind on that.

However rightly the AFL sees it as a long term plan.
Currently lots of young girls are taking up the sport because it has a 'professional' profile.
It's the biggest growth area of the game at the grassroots.

Will the up front investment now pay off in time? I think it will.
 
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Streak

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I have an 8 year old daughter. She loves her Tigers, and now she wants to do Auskick because she wants to play for Richmond.

Enough said really. Our game needs to grow to survive, and there is a massive market out there to be tapped right in front of the AFL’s noses.

Go girls.
 
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graystar1

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So this. All for AFLW. Absolutely deserves its place in the footballing landscape. Will grow quickly.

Doesn’t mean I have to watch it but I wholeheartedly support its right to be and not denigrate it.
I agree it should not be denigrated, but should be open to discussion and criticism where necessary.

There are a lot of women's sports these days, some of which I mentioned earlier. There are others I did not mention like swimming, water polo, basketball, softball and netball.

All these games show a high degree of skill and just hope the women's afl football reaches those heights in due course.

At the moment the game as presented leaves a lot to be desired.
 

Scoop

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I agree it should not be denigrated, but should be open to discussion and criticism where necessary.

There are a lot of women's sports these days, some of which I mentioned earlier. There are others I did not mention like swimming, water polo, basketball, softball and netball.

All these games show a high degree of skill and just hope the women's afl football reaches those heights in due course.

At the moment the game as presented leaves a lot to be desired.
It's the biggest growth channel for the AFL supporter base. The AFL know good and well that the standard is irrelevant to it being judged a success. They are in it for the long haul. Backing out or defunding would be a PR disaster.

The entire premise of AFLW in my humble view has been to gain more women viewers of the AFL to replace the disgruntled fan who has been watching for a long term and starting to drop. One thing the AFL is not is some kind of altruistic caring sharing community based organisation. There is a strategic long term economic benefit of AFLW to AFLM. We, the public just don't see that document.
 

tigerlove

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It's the biggest growth channel for the AFL supporter base. The AFL know good and well that the standard is irrelevant to it being judged a success. They are in it for the long haul. Backing out or defunding would be a PR disaster.

The entire premise of AFLW in my humble view has been to gain more women viewers of the AFL to replace the disgruntled fan who has been watching for a long term and starting to drop. One thing the AFL is not is some kind of altruistic caring sharing community based organisation. There is a strategic long term economic benefit of AFLW to AFLM. We, the public just don't see that document.
Nah I can't see it. I can't see women's footy growing to the large attendances needed to really make a difference to the AFLs supporter base. Over time it will probably compare to VFL level in attendances. I don't see a shortage of girls at AFL footy games either. Compare it to other codes. I don't see it as a growth channel at all. But there is no doubt AFLW has increased participation. The number of local level women's teams have grown immensely. This will undoubtedly flow through to the women's competition over time. There's nothing wrong with girls playing AFL footy, it's great actually. Even the Victorian Masters comp is growing by another 4 teams this year but there will always be a much higher percentage who just don't find watching women's footy interesting. And that includes many women.
 

The Big Richo

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I saw a bit of Fremantle and Geelong this afternoon, it was a much higher standard, particularly Freo who showed the benefits of extra time in the comp.

I think our girls will have some very tough games, is it too early to call for a coach sacking? :p
 
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Streak

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The true test will come when it has to fund itself.
Will it need to fund itself though?

Given the massive sums of money the AFL has put into GWS and Gold Coast, and continues to put in to propping up some of the Melbourne based clubs, it would seem almost hypocritical of the AFL to expect that the women's game needs to be self funding, at least in the medium term.

However, I think the game will eventually fund itself.
 
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DavidSSS

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All the talk about AFLW having to fund itself is just bollocks. If all AFL clubs had to be viable would our club still exist, we've had to put our hands out at times. I'm sure there are a few clubs in Victoria who would go under without subsidies.

We cross subsidise because it keeps the teams in the competition.

We cross subsidise AFLW to build a competition. Maybe it will break even eventually, but it also has other benefits, wider interest in the game and the like, especially important for a game only played in one country.

The women's game will get better, it already has.

DS
 
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The Big Richo

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Exactly David, the financials need to be looked at as big picture.

I heard the other day that there is now something like over 600,000 registered female players Australia wide, and the number is rising by about 30% per year. Five years ago there were less than 200,000.

That is a participation growth rate that other sports could only dream of, in an age where most sports are in participation decline.

Notwithstanding the injection of cash to the AFL from all of those registrations, it is also creating a river of cash through grass roots football. The league where my daughter plays now has 5 tiers of female competition and ovals full each week with female players, and spectators spending at canteens and buying raffle tickets etc..... Go back five years and those ovals were empty and the money wasn't there.

If you said to any sport in the world that in 5 years we will create you a million participants they would give you their first borns. That measure alone means AFLW is an enormous success.
 
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