Alex Rance

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If he's declared right to play, he plays.
Who knows what the future holds? He could wait til next year & do it again in round 1.
Carpe Diem.
Was Rance in good form before his injury?

I seem to recall he was struggling a bit - and as much as I think the guy is a LEGEND - I wonder why we would rush him into the team if we have made finals on the back of the existing structure (and new blood in Chol, Stack, Bolton, Baker etc).

Rance is a GREAT player but he has had slow starts in recent years and there's nothing to suggest he can immediately get up to fitness and form by flicking a switch.

If we are running well into finals - I just can't see why they would risk it (IMHO)
 

Baron Samedi

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If Rance was to play in the first final (whatever that may be) Broad would miss.

Every one of that back six has battled manfully this season.

I dunno. Rance is a champion.

I’m not particularly worried about compromising next season. I agree with others - I’m sold on the idea that you throw everything at a flag.

But we probably won’t be a desperado sliding into the bottom half of the eight. We’ll likely be a settled, in-form outfit.

Such a tough question. Ideally you’d play him against Brisbane in Round 23.

Worst case is we’re a player down with an under-used hamstring strain in the first quarter against WC in Perth.

It’s a risk whichever way you look at it, and if we’re good enough to finish top four with the team we’ve got, do we really need to take that risk?
 

Harry

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We should just slip him back in during the 3rd qtr against Carlton. Be like he was never gone.
 
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Was Rance in good form before his injury?

I seem to recall he was struggling a bit - and as much as I think the guy is a LEGEND - I wonder why we would rush him into the team if we have made finals on the back of the existing structure (and new blood in Chol, Stack, Bolton, Baker etc).
I don't think he's been the same since he copped the staging free and report. It really seemed to knock him around. There were glimpses but that 2017 consistent brilliant week in week out seemed to fade.
 

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He would.

Short Astbury Houli
Vlastuin Rance Grimes

Rance ain’t replacing Shorty, regardless of what you think of him.
Dont see why.

Broad has played every game with Alex that they've been available to play together in bar Nathans suspension and injury.

He would also remain in the side to assist Alex.

One of the smalls would make way somewhere across the park.
 
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I don't think he's been the same since he copped the staging free and report. It really seemed to knock him around. There were glimpses but that 2017 consistent brilliant week in week out seemed to fade.
Agree.

If he comes back we will either see:
1. The rusty brain-fades that he is included to do sometimes
2. Be like a crazy bull tearing the place apart and intercepting anything within 80 meters of him!
 

craig

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I don't think he's been the same since he copped the staging free and report. It really seemed to knock him around. There were glimpses but that 2017 consistent brilliant week in week out seemed to fade.
I actually agree with this.

That BS over the diving certainly did affect his game and took away Alex's spark somewhat.

He hasnt been the same since them scrotes in the media went on their witch hunt.
 

Baron Samedi

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Dont see why.

Broad has played every game with Alex that they've been available to play together in bar Nathans suspension and injury.

He would also remain in the side to assist Alex.

One of the smalls would make way somewhere across the park.
Just because he’s “always played” with Alex doesn’t mean Broad gets a gig in a final.

If Rance was to play, you have Astbury to take the gorilla, Grimes and Vlastuin as utilities, Short and Houli to distribute.

We are clearly looking to attack more, to move the ball with greater cohesion. We also want to support Nankervis and generate good quality clearances for the first time in a while.

As such, we have a greater need to keep a runner or keep Chol rather than a fourth-string backman.

Just my opinion.
 

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Just because he’s “always played” with Alex doesn’t mean Broad gets a gig in a final.

If Rance was to play, you have Astbury to take the gorilla, Grimes and Vlastuin as utilities, Short and Houli to distribute.

We are clearly looking to attack more, to move the ball with greater cohesion. We also want to support Nankervis and generate good quality clearances for the first time in a while.

As such, we have a greater need to keep a small or keep Chol rather than a fourth-string backman.

Just my opinion.
Short is a 4th string backman he cant even defend which is the primary job of a defender, the side and the defence improved when he wasn't there in 2017 and won a flag,.

Short can go to the wing or up the ground but his weak efforts in the finals last year stood out he is a poor defender.

Opposition clubs will play through him and his man in finals.

I'd much rather Jayden rotate off a wing where he can use his strengths ie his kicking to switch play, clear defensive set ups across our our half forward line and kick goals from long range.

I just don't know if he has the ability to cover the ground required to play that role though like Ellis, Lambo, Shedda or Grover do.
 
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Baron Samedi

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Short is a 4th string backman he cant even defend which is the primary job of a defender, the side and the defence improved when he wasn't there in 2017 and won a flag,.

Short can go to the wing or up the ground but his weak efforts in the finals last year stood out he is a poor defender.

Opposition clubs will play through him and his man in finals.

I'd much rather Jayden rotate off a wing where he can use his strengths ie his kicking to switch play, clear defensive set ups across our our half forward line and kick goals from long range.

I just don't know if he has the ability to cover the ground required to play that role though like Ellis, Lambo, Shedda or Grover do.
I hear you, though we differ on Short’s abilities.

More to the point, why do we need the defensive cover you outline?

Why does everyone in the back six need to be a stopper?

Astbury and Grimes will stop their men.

Rance and Vlastuin will intercept and support-spoil.

Shorty and Houli will run and receive. You can bet one will be sat on in a final, freeing the other.

Why keep Broad in this equation when all he does is stop his man (less well than Grimes and Astbury) or intercept (less we’ll than Rance or Vlastuin).

No mistake, Broad has been very solid. But you don’t keep him for the sake of defensive grit.

No oppo has four medium-talls we absolutely must sit on.
 

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I hear you, though we differ on Short’s abilities.

More to the point, why do we need the defensive cover you outline?

Why does everyone in the back six need to be a stopper?

Astbury and Grimes will stop their men.

Rance and Vlastuin will intercept and support-spoil.

Shorty and Houli will run and receive. You can bet one will be sat on in a final, freeing the other.

Why keep Broad in this equation when all he does is stop his man (less well than Grimes and Astbury) or intercept (less we’ll than Rance or Vlastuin).

No mistake, Broad has been very solid. But you don’t keep him for the sake of defensive grit.

No oppo has four medium-talls we absolutely must sit on.
Broadys key attribute maybe even his best attribute is his elite running & covering / guarding space , making our exits easier as he drags oppo away ( when he doesn't receive it) & makes their forward entries difficult as he clogs up their space.

Similar to KMac in some respects
 
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Broadys key attribute maybe even his best attribute is his elite running & covering / guarding space , making our exits easier as he drags oppo away ( when he doesn't receive it) & makes their forward entries difficult as he clogs up their space.

Similar to KMac in some respects
Yep, all well and good. And I appreciate those qualities and can see how they fit into our overall game plan.

I just think with Stack and Bolton moving mid and Chol supporting Nank (soon) we won’t be conceding as many D50s as we have been.

I also think our best method of defence at the G is breaking defensive lines. This is Short’s speciality.

In any case, we’re talking about a scenario where Rance is playing, an absolute God of defensive running and spatial nous.

Agree to disagree, but I enjoy the debate, Taz.
 
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toothless

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I think Alex would throw everything at it and it would be his choice to do so. Appears to have his life outside football sorted. Could be his last tilt at a Premiership anyway.
Agree, no one knows what can happen. A lot happens/changes in one year of footy