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All those Wallace knockers
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GoodOne said:
Actually I'm quoting Brian Royal from a number of weeks back from the Tigers club corner. He explicitly and specifically made a distinction between the Richmond approach and the Hawthorn approach. He said that Richmond didn't go for the full rebuild ie ruthlessly getting all the best youngsters available, because they wanted to reward the senior players with finals football before they retire. I practically threw-up when he said that...There is a difference, Richmond have officially stated as much.
All I am saying is that I would love some more young players of the calibre that we saw last night. As a consequence of Hawthorns aggression at the trade table and their fearlessness in not being afriad to bottom out for an additional year when the former draft rules were in place.
As for getting beltings - no one loves to get thrashed. But who have we beaten so far? And by how much? I still think we're in for a few before the end of the season. But losses can work both ways - if you are talented it can make you more hungry, more determined never to return to those bad times. And all the while, you get experience and you learn, and the club has an opportunity to see what the true fibre of a player is.
For all that I hope that we get ultra aggressive at the end of the year in trading. And again Wallace is a very good coach, I just really wish we had gotten some more classy kids - they are really making watching the Tigers fun and exciting to watch again.
Tygrys said:
i agree with you, its great to see the brand of footy we are playing now. its good to see they still have a go when clearly the dons had the flow of the game towards the end. a couple of years ago it would have been game over and a great essendon win.
Go Toigs! said:
Yep Kellaway and Richardson are the future of the club! They'll still be there when we win another premiership. Having beaten three of the bottom four clubs in the last three weeks (two of them very narrowly), I don't think we should be getting ahead of ourselves. Kellaway and Richardson have played parts in winning teams before, and it's got us ultimately nowhere. I'll trade a Polo goal for a Richardson or Kellaway goal any day (again I know which really excite me).
The fact that we are still just scrapping in and they are playing a significant part, mean that there are still tough days ahead (both are in their twilight and for Richardson a replacement with be tough to find). And for the record I'm not saying they shouldn't be played, they are on the list and as old timers go they are clearly our best. But again don't care if they play finals football, if they get some swansong, and nor should the club or the coaching staff - I want Tiger Premierships!!! So bring on (and ruthlessly recruit more of) the youngsters - that's what I say!
if i could be bothered id post a link or 50 to some wallace bashing's but i cant be stuffed. just because you lot cant recall it doesnt mean it doesnt happen. on this site no-one at the RfC seems to get off without copping a good serving every now and then which is a shame for the people that run it.
I remember that a lot of people got pretty savage at the start of the season and I was one of those who wondered what the hell had happened, but I don't remember too many having a go at Terry. Maybe you saw it on BLOS, that's the sort of place where rubbish like that gets posted.
Richmond United said:
:clap :clap
This is the revolution we have been waiting for, for 20 long years.
Great win by the boys and I'm happy with how Terry's managing our list.
BUT
Look at the ladder - we've beaten 14th, 15th and 16th.
So enjoy the win but keep it in perspective.
BUT
Look at the ladder - we've beaten 14th, 15th and 16th.
So enjoy the win but keep it in perspective.
poppa x said:
The results this year have indicated it's an extremely even comp.
14th, 15th & 16th aren't as bad as those ladder positions make out.
Based on what I've seen so far, I would hope the players are thinking there is no reason they can't make the finals, if they keep working hard at it.
Wallace and the team completely deserved a bollocking after round 1. It was simply unacceptable, and there would have been something wrong if people werent upsett to see it (and saying the kind of things that people say when theyre upsett).
I am so pleased to see the last 3 wins; not just for the points, but because it says so much for the charachter of the team: they are only wins against teams that wont make the finals this year but we could have so easily dropped our heads both as a club, and within our self-belief on the field - I think its significant that in each of these wins the opposition made a big charge back at us late in the game and we steadied. Beating bottom sides or not, that is one KPI of a 'good team': and credit has to go to Wallace for this - because it didnt exist before him.
Clearly, if you compare our skill levels to those of other likely top 8 teams, we are a way behind: if we'd played those teams in the last 3 weeks they would have punnished us for our misses and turnovers and we would have been out of the game much earlier: they would have torn us up like the doggies.
The big challenge for Wallace is to turn around our skills and goal kicking during the season: Im not sure how many coaches have done that.
I am so pleased to see the last 3 wins; not just for the points, but because it says so much for the charachter of the team: they are only wins against teams that wont make the finals this year but we could have so easily dropped our heads both as a club, and within our self-belief on the field - I think its significant that in each of these wins the opposition made a big charge back at us late in the game and we steadied. Beating bottom sides or not, that is one KPI of a 'good team': and credit has to go to Wallace for this - because it didnt exist before him.
Clearly, if you compare our skill levels to those of other likely top 8 teams, we are a way behind: if we'd played those teams in the last 3 weeks they would have punnished us for our misses and turnovers and we would have been out of the game much earlier: they would have torn us up like the doggies.
The big challenge for Wallace is to turn around our skills and goal kicking during the season: Im not sure how many coaches have done that.
Tygrys said:
There are only so many quality players to go around each year. Im still very interested to know how many better young players Hawthorn have picked up over the last 2-3 years than Richmond? From a quick look, for players under 20, Hawthorn have had Roughhaead, Franklin and Birchell the only youngsters as having played senior games whereas the Tigers have had Deledio, Hughes, Polo, Tambling, JON, Meyer. From the 20-21 year old brigade, Hawthorn have had Brennan, Dawson, Hodge, Lewis, Miller, Murphy, Thurgood, Young, and Tigers have Hartigan, Jackson, Pattison, Raines, Roach, Schulz, Thursfield. At the other end of the scale, Hawthorn have over 29s who are on the list being Barker, Crawford and Everitt and the tigers Chaffey, Gaspar,Kellaway, Richo and Stafford.
Based on that Im not sure where Royal is coming from. Maybe you misunderstood him or maybe it was a historical reference to the lack of quality players we have in between that range (due to our prior bad recruitment policies). I just cant se how we could have attained any more quality youngsters over the last couple of years. How do you envisage this could have been achieved?
Cheers
The most pleasing aspect from last night's win (apart from the obvious i.e dean Polo's fantastic game) was that despite a 5 minute lapse in the last quarter we played out the full game with courage and determination. We would have won by over 5 goals if we had kicked straight. Sure it was only Essendon but these types of wins build heaps of character.
GoodOne said:
A great analytical post there Goodo.
I will also like to add the 'unblooded' player (excluding rookies) comparison; Dawks - Dowler, Ellis, Little, Muston, Tuck; Tigers - Casserly, Limbach, McGuane, White.
The Dawk's untried stock looks a better brood than ours, except for Casserly & White.
I forgot the whole reason why I made this post (emoticon: scratching my head).