An invitation from Greg Miller. [Merged]

[Hayfever]

An onballer who gets the ball less than a dozen times a game is a tiger.
An onballer whos stamina is shot after a quarter is a tiger.
An onballer whos body language has 'defeat' all over him when the chips are down is a tiger.

Boy! Its all true either way you look at it!!
Oh how Tommy Hafey will laugh!! Tra la la!!

Struggling a bit there old son 

As usual the rhetoric is big but the facts are scarce. Have you ever made a positive post about a Tigers player?

 

[TOT70]

An onballer who gets the ball less than a dozen times a game is a tiger.
An onballer whos stamina is shot after a quarter is a tiger.
An onballer whos body language has 'defeat' all over him when the chips are down is a tiger.

Boy! Its all true either way you look at it!!
Oh how Tommy Hafey will laugh!! Tra la la!!

Ah, after months of lurking silently, logged in but not commenting, Struggletown is lured back into the fold by a dud he couldn't resist!

Welcome back, Struggles!

 

[the claw]

dont have a bias against miller

Who you trying to kid here?

  all i have ever done is point out his mistakes and offer a differing point of view to most ferals.and most ferals have shown they dont like criticism of any kind when it comes to miller.

At your hyprocritcal  best Claw.

instead of sacking the worst coach in afl history,  who was making us the biggest laughing stock in afl history.

And sacking coaches has served us well over the past 25yrs.As its been stated on this thread and others if we went down the same ol well worn path we wouldnt have landed TW and instead got a coach very similar to what we have had over the past 25yrs.

and should of been in full on rebuilding mode, similar to what hawthorn have done the last couple of yrs.chasing big name players has set us back big time and is wrong. chasing them using early draft picks when the list was so poor was criminal.

So you prefer finishing on the bottom to get multiple selections to gain  the best kids in the land.Claw may i suggest you have a good look at the saints list as an example.How many of those are from PP,s? You say Miller shouldnt have chased Brown.Once again have a good look at the saints list.While your at it tell me what guantee,s you have that the Hawthorn method of "tanking" in the long run will turn into premierships?

if you look closely madcow stkilda got gehrig and hammil, and these are the 2 ferals always throw up when talking about stkilda. by astute trading.gehrig was got for pick 18 and sierakowski. hammill came to the saints in 2000 the same yr as gehrig for pick 4 and sam cranage. these were picks the saints got for the wakelins and the above mentioned players. they kept picks 1 and 2 riedwoldt and koschitzke. unlike us they were prepared to give up something to get something but kept their early picks.compared to the way we have operated (the ottens deal aside) its chalk and cheese.when we got brown we gave up our first 2 picks wasted another early selection on a speculative pick when we should of been drafting the best kids in the country.
even the 2004 draft with 2 messiahs in charge questions have to be asked about how well we did. imo we got picks 4 16 20 and 52 wrong along with 65. but the mere mention of perhaps we could of done better gets the ferals backs up, and this i will never understand. especially after the blind acceptance of things during the frawley era.

 

[craig]

Pattison and Polo at 16 & 20 are the picks that will be scrutinised the most as Lids, Bling and Meyer will all justify their selection for mine.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

[if you look closely madcow stkilda got gehrig and hammil, and these are the 2 ferals always throw up when talking about stkilda. by astute trading.gehrig was got for pick 18 and sierakowski. hammill came to the saints in 2000 the same yr as gehrig for pick 4 and sam cranage. these were picks the saints got for the wakelins and the above mentioned players. they kept picks 1 and 2 riedwoldt and koschitzke. unlike us they were prepared to give up something to get something but kept their early picks.compared to the way we have operated (the ottens deal aside) its chalk and cheese.when we got brown we gave up our first 2 picks wasted another early selection on a speculative pick when we should of been drafting the best kids in the country.
even the 2004 draft with 2 messiahs in charge questions have to be asked about how well we did. imo we got picks 4 16 20 and 52 wrong along with 65. but the mere mention of perhaps we could of done better gets the ferals backs up, and this i will never understand. especially after the blind acceptance of things during the frawley era.

My whole point is that apart from what the saints gave up and kept for Gehrig & Hammil they did go after them.Why? because they know they needed a balanced list with a huge influx of kids coming to the club.We have done the samething in regards to Jonno & Brown and yes we payed more for both than what the saints did however the basis of trades is all dependant on who,s avail and the position at the time of both clubs involved.Stkilda were lucky they had #1 pick in the PSD and the salary cap space to offer both Gehrig & Hammil and their former clubs with a no win situation.We didnt have that luxary.
Did we pay to much for Brown? Absolutely not.To think otherwise you have to be feral ;D

 

[Ian4]

What's going on? If I type the word "d u d" once I post it becomes "tiger"

some think the two words are synonymous

Test:

Dermott Brereton is an absolute tiger.

test:

Frawley is a true tiger.
Collingwood players are all tigers

I AM A DUD IN THE SACK... :rofl

 

[Ian4]

Whatever the past circumstances.

There is clearly no advantage now, in a hypothetically already poor season, to purposefully go out to get the 17th pick in the draft.

For pick 1-4, yes, for pick 17, no.

Much better system now.Supporters of clubs should never have to go to the footy hoping there team loses so they get draft picks

not sure i agree because it will also keep teams down the bottom for a longer period of time when the AFL is trying to get the teams to rotate successful era's in cycles so everyone gets a go. but i do think the previous priority picks were too generous... then again, if it keeps carlton down, well great!!!

 

[the claw]

[if you look closely madcow stkilda got gehrig and hammil, and these are the 2 ferals always throw up when talking about stkilda. by astute trading.gehrig was got for pick 18 and sierakowski.  hammill came to the saints in 2000 the same yr as gehrig for pick 4 and sam cranage. these were picks the saints got for the wakelins and the above mentioned players. they kept picks 1 and 2 riedwoldt and koschitzke. unlike us they were prepared to give up something to get something but kept their early picks.compared to the way we have operated  (the ottens deal aside) its chalk and cheese.when we got brown we gave up our first 2 picks wasted another early selection on a speculative pick when we should of been drafting the best kids in the country.
even the 2004 draft with 2 messiahs in charge questions have to be asked about how well we did. imo we got picks 4 16 20 and 52 wrong along with 65. but the mere mention of perhaps we could of done better gets the ferals backs up, and this i will never understand. especially after the blind acceptance of things during the frawley era.

My whole point is that apart from what the saints gave up and kept for Gehrig & Hammil they did go after them.Why? because they know they needed a balanced list with a huge influx of kids coming to the club.We have done the samething in regards to Jonno & Brown and yes we payed more for both than what the saints did however the basis of trades is all dependant on who,s avail and the position at the time of both clubs involved.Stkilda were lucky they had #1 pick in the PSD and the salary cap space to offer both Gehrig & Hammil and their former clubs with a no win situation.We didnt have that luxary.
Did we pay to much for Brown? Absolutely not.To think otherwise you have to be feral ;D

will brown be about when we make a gf or for that matter top4 or regular finals,some how i dont think so. you dont give up your long term future for shoet term gain when in full on rebuilding mode. stkilda didnt they have always ensured they had early picks in nat drafts they have got lucky due tocircumstances at times but they have not given up early picks to get where they are at.both hammill and gehrig were got as 23 24 yr olds as well they were going to be around at the end of a rebuild.the difference between us and stkilda is they never lost sight of their long term future.

 

[TigerForce]

[if you look closely madcow stkilda got gehrig and hammil, and these are the 2 ferals always throw up when talking about stkilda. by astute trading.gehrig was got for pick 18 and sierakowski.  hammill came to the saints in 2000 the same yr as gehrig for pick 4 and sam cranage. these were picks the saints got for the wakelins and the above mentioned players. they kept picks 1 and 2 riedwoldt and koschitzke. unlike us they were prepared to give up something to get something but kept their early picks.compared to the way we have operated  (the ottens deal aside) its chalk and cheese.when we got brown we gave up our first 2 picks wasted another early selection on a speculative pick when we should of been drafting the best kids in the country.
even the 2004 draft with 2 messiahs in charge questions have to be asked about how well we did. imo we got picks 4 16 20 and 52 wrong along with 65. but the mere mention of perhaps we could of done better gets the ferals backs up, and this i will never understand. especially after the blind acceptance of things during the frawley era.

My whole point is that apart from what the saints gave up and kept for Gehrig & Hammil they did go after them.Why? because they know they needed a balanced list with a huge influx of kids coming to the club.We have done the samething in regards to Jonno & Brown and yes we payed more for both than what the saints did however the basis of trades is all dependant on who,s avail and the position at the time of both clubs involved.Stkilda were lucky they had #1 pick in the PSD and the salary cap space to offer both Gehrig & Hammil and their former clubs with a no win situation.We didnt have that luxary.
Did we pay to much for Brown? Absolutely not.To think otherwise you have to be feral ;D

will brown be about when we make a gf or for that matter top4 or regular finals,some how i dont think so. you dont give up your long term future for shoet term gain when in full on rebuilding mode.

If Craig Bradley made it to 36, then Browny has another 8 years left.

 

[the claw]

[if you look closely madcow stkilda got gehrig and hammil, and these are the 2 ferals always throw up when talking about stkilda. by astute trading.gehrig was got for pick 18 and sierakowski.  hammill came to the saints in 2000 the same yr as gehrig for pick 4 and sam cranage. these were picks the saints got for the wakelins and the above mentioned players. they kept picks 1 and 2 riedwoldt and koschitzke. unlike us they were prepared to give up something to get something but kept their early picks.compared to the way we have operated  (the ottens deal aside) its chalk and cheese.when we got brown we gave up our first 2 picks wasted another early selection on a speculative pick when we should of been drafting the best kids in the country.
even the 2004 draft with 2 messiahs in charge questions have to be asked about how well we did. imo we got picks 4 16 20 and 52 wrong along with 65. but the mere mention of perhaps we could of done better gets the ferals backs up, and this i will never understand. especially after the blind acceptance of things during the frawley era.

My whole point is that apart from what the saints gave up and kept for Gehrig & Hammil they did go after them.Why? because they know they needed a balanced list with a huge influx of kids coming to the club.We have done the samething in regards to Jonno & Brown and yes we payed more for both than what the saints did however the basis of trades is all dependant on who,s avail and the position at the time of both clubs involved.Stkilda were lucky they had #1 pick in the PSD and the salary cap space to offer both Gehrig & Hammil and their former clubs with a no win situation.We didnt have that luxary.
Did we pay to much for Brown? Absolutely not.To think otherwise you have to be feral ;D

will brown be about when we make a gf or for that matter top4 or regular finals,some how i dont think so. you dont give up your long term future for shoet term gain when in full on rebuilding mode.

If Craig Bradley made it to 36, then Browny has another 8 years left.

well lets hope browny doesnt end up playing footy like that soft *smile*.carlton would of been better of playing kids for bradleys last 5 yrs.

 

[Ian4]

What's going on?  If I type the word "d  u  d" once I post it becomes "tiger"

some think the two words are synonymous

Test:

Dermott Brereton is an absolute tiger.

test:

Frawley is a true tiger.
Collingwood players are all tigers

I AM A tiger IN THE SACK...  :rofl

:hihi :hihi :hihi

 

[craig]

D    U     D 


hahahhahaha it can still be done :hihi :hihi :hihi.

Thank you for that momentous achievement, craig.

I do what i can Phanto ;D

 

[Mr Brightside]

Here it is skippy

 

[Rosy]

Just bringing this thread to the top for anyone who's interested in reading how the RFC Draft Preview Nights originated. Good work Phantom.

 

[pahoffm]

Just bringing this thread to the top for anyone who's interested in reading how the RFC Draft Preview Nights originated. Good work Phantom.

Thanks, it's good reading the early part of it.

It just goes to show how "good" a facilitator Greg Miller is.
No qualms, responding immediately to a good idea.

It is one area I hope will not be lost with Greg's departure.

 

[Phar Ace]

Pattison and Polo at 16 & 20 are the picks that will be scrutinised the most as Lids, Bling and Meyer will all justify their selection for mine.

Well..two outa three ain't that bad Craigy!

 

[benny_furs]

What a great read. I was late going out because of this thread!