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Anatomy of a premiership era(Updated)Part 2, The Brisbane List, 1st Premiership

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Anatomy of a premiership era.
Part One, The Brisbane List, early 1998

Name             Age Ht   Wt Gms Gls

200cm+
Beau McDonald,   18, 201, 84, 0, 0

195-199cm
Matt' Clarke,    24, 198, 100, 95, 15
Clark Keating,   21, 199, 102, 34, 24


190-194cm
Alastair Lynch,  29, 193, 96, 176, 287
Andrew Gowers,   28, 191, 85, 148, 66
Matthew Kennedy, 27, 191, 98, 128, 26
Dion Scott,      27, 190, 102, 66, 50
Trent Bartlett,  21, 190, 98, 34, 13
Derek Wirth,     19, 193, 94, 0, 0
Scott Ralph,     18, 190, 84, 0, 0

185-189cm
Richard Champion,29, 186, 94, 144, 49
Danny Dickfos,   27, 188, 95, 48, 0
Brad Boyd,       26, 189, 86, 71, 49
Tristan Lynch,   24, 188, 82, 46, 7
Darryl White,    24, 186, 87, 114, 113
Justin Leppitsch,22, 188, 95, 71, 116
Nigel Lappin,    21, 187, 86, 87, 53
Jarrod Molloy,   21, 189, 100, 69, 75
Daniel Bradshaw, 19, 186, 88, 20, 38
Shane Clayton,   19, 186, 81, 16, 1
Tate Day,        19, 188, 85, 0, 0
Rory Hilton,     18, 185, 89, 0, 0
Marcus Picken,   18, 186, 80, 0, 0

180-184cm
Marcus Ashcroft, 26, 184, 85, 180, 103
Scott Bamford,   23, 183, 68, 34, 13
Ben Robbins,     21, 181, 77, 18, 5
Brad Scott,      21, 182, 84, 22, 6
Chris Scott,     21, 181, 85, 64, 26
Michael Voss,    21, 181, 87, 99, 83
Brett Voss,      18, 181, 77, 3, 0
Tim Notting,     19, 182, 82, 0, 0
Shane O'Bree,    18, 182, 81, 0, 0
Simon Black,     18, 184, 71, 0, 0

<180cm
Andrew Bews,     33, 175, 81, 287, 139
Craig Lambert,   29, 178, 86, 193, 79
Shaun Hart,      26, 175, 74, 126, 96
Craig McRae,     24, 176, 72, 61, 82
Chris Johnson,   23, 177, 86, 79, 78
Steve Lawrence,  21, 177, 82, 23, 16
Jason Ackermanis,20, 177, 78, 59, 70
Nick Carter,     19, 179, 84, 19, 5
Nick Trask,      19, 175, 76, 6, 2
Luke Power,      17, 176, 70, 0, 0

Source: AFL '98, Michael Lovett

1. Hard to believe this list won the 1st of 3 premierships only 3 years later.
2. Alot of the young kids didn't make it.
3. The core of this list seems to be 21-22yo in 1998.
4. Our core seems to be 18-20yo, so we look to be about 5 years off.

I welcome your comments.
 
Re: Anatomy of a premiership era. Part One, The Brisbane List, early 1998

Great Post Phantom, hopefully TW has a similar plan on what the team should look like in 4-5 years.
 
Re: Anatomy of a premiership era. Part One, The Brisbane List, early 1998

Can wait as long as it takes if there's a blueprint of some sort being adhered to rigidly.

Interesting the number of smaller players who are prominent in this case study. The engine room cannot be ignored and this heartens me. We need to continue to look for quality rover types in drafts as they can slip through to picks far lower than their value at times.

Great thread, Phanto.
 
Re: Anatomy of a premiership era. Part One, The Brisbane List, early 1998

Matthew Clarke was traded to Adelaide in 1999 for draft picks 6 (Damien Cupido) and 21 (which ended up at Sydney [Stefan Carey deal??] and was used on Scott Stevens)
 
Re: Anatomy of a premiership era. Part One, The Brisbane List, early 1998

Ready said:
Matthew Clarke was traded to Adelaide in 1999 for draft picks 6 (Damien Cupido) and 21 (which ended up at Sydney [Stefan Carey deal??] and was used on Scott Stevens)
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Many thanks Ready, I shall amend my post.
 
Re: Anatomy of a premiership era. Part One, The Brisbane List, early 1998

In my opinion, the biggest difference made to the Brisbane list after 98, was the inclusion of Mal Michael & Jonathan Brown in key position posts (ie. Full Back & CHF). Additionally, in typical Leigh Matthew's fashion, many players were traded / or delisted, because they simply didn't cut it. Matthew's has a reputation of not wasting his time with players who are not consistently skillful, commited & hard at the football.

At this moment, we may well "...look to be about 5 years off", but the process may take longer if TW & Richmond continue to experiment with the same mix of players for long periods of time. Recruiting big names without the number 1 pick in the draft will also help !!!
 
Re: Anatomy of a premiership era. Part One, The Brisbane List, early 1998

If there is one glaring thing on that Brisbane list that we don't have, its a bloke of the stature and leadership qualities of Michael Voss.  He's nearing the end now, but in full flight, at his uninjured best, Voss could dominate games by imposing himself both mentally and physically.  
 
Re: Anatomy of a premiership era. Part One, The Brisbane List, early 1998

Let me take my opinion one step further...Players like *smile*, Kellaway, Hilton, Tuck, Hyde, Krakouer, Tivendale & Chaffey have all been handy players for Richmond. Young players like Pettifer, Jackson, Hartigan & Rodan are all promising future players. But there is no fine line drawn to winning premierships.

Sure, the RFC is working towards building a football club with the necessary requirements (staff & resources), to develop talent, but IMO, to win a premiership, every player must bring something special to a football club.

In 1996, the Brisbane Lions negotiated some very good sponsorship deals (aided by the AFL). They appointed Leigh Matthew's as coach (similar to Richmond with TW). The Gabba was being developed to include some of the best facilities in the AFL. Having implemented the right infrastructure, the club (led by LM), made some tough decisions. Their list was revamped and no player was given special previleges. Leigh Matthew's knows the secret to winning premierships and in 1998, Brisbane were way short from that mark.

In similar circumstances, TW & the RFC have began changing the culture of a once proud football club. The facilities at Punt Rd have been improved to a standard necessary for success. Membership & corporate sponsorship is improving and the profile of the Tigers has regained some repect in recent times.

Now, the Tigers must swing into Operation Marzipan (The "Iceing" on the cake). A shrewd approach is required towards recruiting, delisting, trading & player management if the Tigers are going to build an empire similar to the Brisbane Lions.
 
Re: Anatomy of a premiership era. Part One, The Brisbane List, early 1998

Great post Phantom.

i thought yesterday was a really interesting insight into RFC and our future.

For the first time in i-can't-remember-when, we executed a game plan and nearly pinched a game not many would have thought we could/should have won. GFC fell into playing 'our' style of game (bought on by the 4-5 goal breeze) and in the end their deeper list (i.e. they have more good players) got them over the line.

GFC seemed to have the exact blokes you pointed out (20-24 y/o's) who have bigger/stronger bodies and have played together for a few seasons. This was particularly apparent is their backline where Scarlett, Harley and Mooney wax it amongst themselves and cover each other easily. With Gaspar and Kellaway not viable in the 4-5 year window it will be interesting who they build around (Shultz looked decent y'day but he needs 10-15 games in a row at CHB IMO before we could gauge).

All in all i thought y'day showed TW is in the 'better coaches' bracket but we need to continue to get good young players in the next 1-3 years to become consistently competitive (GF level).
 
Re: Anatomy of a premiership era. Part One, The Brisbane List, early 1998

Re: Anatomy of a premiership era. Part Two, The Brisbane List, 1st Premiership

Name             Age, Ht, 1997Wt, 2001Wt, Gms, Gls

200cm+
Beau McDonald,   22, 202, 84, 94, 51, 15

195-199cm
Clark Keating,   25, 199, 102, 100, 82, 58
Jamie Charman, 19, 197, na, 89, 2, 0

190-194cm
Alastair Lynch,  33, 193, 96, 98, 249, 441
Martin Pike,      29, 190, 92, 92, 163, 65
Mal Michael,     24, 190, 88, 94, 85, 25
Jonathan Brown, 20, 194, na, 93, 38, 43
Shane Morrison, 20, 194, na, 89, 0, 0
David Mapleston, 20, 192, na, 88, 0, 0
Dylan McLaren, 19, 194, na, 85, 2, 0

185-189cm
Darryl White,    28, 186, 87, 87, 201, 146
Justin Leppitsch,26, 188, 95, 97, 140, 165
Craig Bolton,     21, 188, na, 83, 23, 10
Nigel Lappin,    24, 187, 86, 87, 176, 30
Daniel Bradshaw, 22, 186, 88, 88, 74, 156
Nathan Clarke,    22, 186, na, 80, 6, 4
Darren Bradshaw, 21, 185, na, 90, 0, 0
Robert Copeland, 20, 185, na, 83, 17, 7
Luke Weller,     19, 188, na, 91, 0, 0
Richard Hadley, 18, 188, na, 78, 1, 0
Jason Gram,     17, 185, na, 78, 0, 0

180-184cm
Marcus Ashcroft, 30, 184, 85, 83, 268, 144
Brad Scott,      25, 182, 84, 82, 71, 25
Chris Scott,     25, 181, 85, 92, 146, 59
Michael Voss,    25, 181, 87, 89, 176, 143
Tim Notting,     23, 182, 82, 86, 52, 43
Simon Black,     22, 184, 71, 77, 75, 60
Aaron Shattock, 21, 184, na, 82, 15, 0
Des Headland, 20, 183, na, 89, 32, 18
Damien Cupido, 19, 182, na, 83, 13, 16
Luke Hammond, 19, 182, na, 82, 0, 0
Ashley McGrath, 18, 180, na, 69, 1, 0
Jarrad White,    17, 182, na, 74, 0, 0

<180cm
Shaun Hart,      30, 175, 74, 75, 205, 144
Craig McRae,     28, 176, 72, 73, 132, 159
Chris Johnson,   27, 177, 86, 90, 154, 133
Jason Ackermanis,24, 177, 78, 83, 141, 146
Mick Martin,      24, 179, 80, 86, 58, 18
Luke Power,      21, 178, 70, 77, 62, 88
Nick Raines,     18, 179, na, 70, 0, 0

Interesting to note the development in weight of some of the boys in this premiership year from what they were 4 years earlier.

Also, interesting the continual changes in the list.
The only recruits from other clubs were:
1. Martin Pike, a premiership player with North.
2. Mal Michael, originally a Qld'r anyway, to fill FB position.
3. Mick Martin, from Footscray, marginal player, didn't succeed.

Another point that strikes me is that it is NOT so important to be overly tall, but how strong and fast. The goal to goal line of,
Michael, 190, 94
Leppitsch, 188, 97
Voss, 181, 89
Brown, 194, 93
Lynch, 193, 98,
isn't that tall, but look how strong it is.
 
Great analytical post Phanto. Looks like our boys better get into the weight room and the protein powder over the next few years. You only have to look at the muscular defined bodies of the WCE and Adelaide players to realise that you are on the money with this post.
 
brisbane made the finals in 95 96 and 97 they finished 3rd in 96. then they got the spoon in 98 which enabled them to top up with quality and they never looked back for 6 yrs. a lot of the hard work was done in building the list in 94 thru 97.it took the lions over 7 yrs to build the dynasty they had.
 
the claw said:
brisbane made the finals in 95 96 and 97 they finished 3rd in 96. then they got the spoon in 98 which enabled them to top up with quality and they never looked back for 6 yrs. a lot of the hard work was done in building the list in 94 thru 97.it took the lions over 7 yrs to build the dynasty they had.
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Yeh, you're right Claw.
In retrospect, I probably should have gone further back to when players like White, Leppitsch, Ashcroft, Voss, McRae & Akermanis were initially recruited.
 
Re: Anatomy of a premiership era. Part One, The Brisbane List, early 1998

Have appended some draft data to Phantom's stats.

Height    Name            Age  Ht 1997Wt 2001Wt Gms Gls D  # Year St
200cm+    Beau McDonald    22 202     84     94  51  15 N 73 1997 WA

195-199cm Clark Keating    25 199    102    100  82  58 Z  - 1992 Q
          Jamie Charman    19 197     na     89   2   0 N 29 2000 Q

190-194cm Alastair Lynch   33 193     96     98 249 441 T  - 1993 Fitzroy (for #7)
          Martin Pike      29 190     92     92 163  65 N 33 2000 Kangaroos
          Mal Michael      24 190     88     94  85  25 T  - 2000 Collingwood
                                                                  (+#22 for Molloy & #44)
          Jonathan Brown   20 194     na     93  38  43 N 30 1999 V (father-son)
          Shane Morrison   20 194     na     89   0   0 N 44 1999 Q (father-son)
          David Mapleston  20 192     na     88   0   0 R 12 2001 Q
          Dylan McLaren    19 194     na     85   2   0 P  9 2001 V

185-189cm Darryl White     28 186     87     87 201 146 Z  - 1990 NT
          Justin Leppitsch 26 188     95     97 140 165 N  4 1992 V
          Craig Bolton     21 188     na     83  23  10 N 33 1998 ACT
          Nigel Lappin     24 187     86     87 176  30 N  2 1993 V
          Daniel Bradshaw  22 186     88     88  74 156 N 56 1995 V
          Nathan Clarke    22 186     na     80   6   4 R 64 2000 Q
          Darren Bradshaw  21 185     na     90   0   0 R 16 2002 Q
          Robert Copeland  20 185     na     83  17   7 R 66 2001 Q
          Luke Weller      19 188     na     91   0   0 R 68 2001 Q
          Richard Hadley   18 188     na     78   1   0 N 22 2000 WA
          Jason Gram       17 185     na     78   0   0 N 19 2001 V

180-184cm Marcus Ashcroft  30 184     85     83 268 144 Z  - 1989 Q
          Brad Scott       25 182     84     82  71  25 T  - 1997 Hawthorn
                                                                  (+#51 for Chapman
& Barker & #42)
          Chris Scott      25 181     85     92 146  59 N 12 1993 V
          Michael Voss     25 181     87     89 176 143 Z  - 1992 Q
          Tim Notting      23 182     82     86  52  43 N 26 1996 V
          Simon Black      22 184     71     77  75  60 N 31 1997 WA
          Aaron Shattock   21 184     na     82  15   0 N 45 1998 SA
          Des Headland     20 183     na     89  32  18 N  1 1998 WA
          Damien Cupido    19 182     na     83  13  16 N  6 1999 V
          Luke Hammond     19 182     na     82   0   0 N 59 2000 V
          Ashley McGrath   18 180     na     69   1   0 N 13 2000 WA
          Jarrad White     17 182     na     74   0   0 N 35 2001 SA

<180cm    Shaun Hart       30 175     74     75 205 144 N 33 1989 V
          Craig McRae      28 176     72     73 132 159 P 22 1993 SA
          Chris Johnson    27 177     86     90 154 133 M  - 1996 Fitzroy
          Jason Akermanis  24 177     78     83 141 146 Z  - 1994 Q
          Mick Martin      24 179     80     86  58  18 T  - 1999 Bulldogs
                                                                  (for Bartlett & #32)
          Luke Power       21 178     70     77  62  88 N  5 1997 V
          Nick Raines      18 179     na     70   0   0 R 66 2002 Q


N - national draft
R - rookie draft
T - trade
Z - zone selection (from Queensland)
P - pre-season draft
M - came with Fitzroy merger

National draft selections are similar to our current list
Range  Br Ri
Top 10  5  4
11-30   6  6
31-50   8  7

FS/merger picks of Brown and Johnson balanced by our FS's Richardson & Bowden. Note however the zone selection picks of Voss, Akermanis, White, Ashcroft (via Brisbane reserves) & Keating - effectively concession picks given to develop football in Queensland.
 
Also some astute use of recycled players in there too. Lynch, Pike, Mal Michael and B Scott all went on to play very good football with the Lions. Probably not recycled in the true sense (apart from Pike), but still let go by their respective clubs.
 
Relevant list changes 1998-2002

Ready said:
GONE
Richard Champion (retired, 2000)
Jarrod Molloy (traded to Collingwood, 2000)
Andrew Gowers (retired, 1998)
Brad Boyd (retired, 1998)
Brett Voss (traded to St Kilda, 2000)
Danny Dickfos (delisted, 1999)
Steven Lawrence (traded to St Kilda, 2000)
Matthew Clarke (traded to Adelaide, 1999)
Craig Lambert (retired, 2000)
Rory Hilton (traded to Richmond, 1998)
Shane O'Bree (left, PSD pick 1 Collingwood, 2000)
Scott Bamford (traded to Geelong, 1998)
Dion Scott (delisted, 1998)
Matthew Kennedy (retired, 2001)
Shane Clayton (delisted 1998, picked up by North Melbourne PSD 1999)
Tristan Lynch (traded to Geelong, 1998)

PREMIERSHIP PLAYERS JOINED SINCE 1998
Jonathan Brown (father/son, 1999)
Blake Caracella (traded from Essendon, 2002)
Jamie Charman (zone selection, 2000)
Robert Copeland (rookie list elevation, 2001)
Richard Hadley (pick 22, 2000)
Ashley McGrath (pick 13, 2000)
Mal Michael (traded 2000 for Jarrod Molloy)
Martin Pike (pick 33, 2000 after delisted by North Melbourne)
Aaron Shattock (pick 45, 1998)

CUTTING THEIR LOSSES
Adam Heuskes (traded from Port Adelaide, 1998 -- left 2000)
David Calthorpe (traded from Essendon, 1998 -- traded to North Melbourne, 1999)
Des Headland (pick 1, 1998, traded to Fremantle 2002 for pick 3 [Jared Brennan] and pick 19 [Troy Selwood]).
Stefan Carey (traded from Sydney, 2000 -- delisted 2001)
May have missed one or two but this is reasonably comprehensive.
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There's definitely more to this, cause I remember going through each one of the premierships.
 
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